Talk:Drive (2007 TV series)

Merging of the Character Pages?
I created this page, so I realize that I'm a little biased. Obviously, information on this character is currently limited. I can see why people would consider merging it with the main Drive page. I suggest we keep it for the following reasons: 1) It will not be long before there is more information on this character, and we will already have a starting point 2)character pages from series are common in Wikipedia, and certainly have a precedent. Merging for merging's sake will likely lead later to a re-emergence of this page once the show is on. My vote, for what it is worth, is a strong 'oppose''. ''' Transcendentalstate 17:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I think for now it wouldn't hurt to merge the character pages into the main article. I know that eventually (as stated above), that more information will become available as the show hits the air, but at the same time that isn't until mid-April. There are only two character pages, and both contain barely any information. I think we could just as easily create a characters section within the Drive article, to give a brief description of each character as more is unveiled about them. If at some point there is an abundance of information than that would justify creating individual character pages.

In summary

1.) The show isn't even on the air yet, so it's hard to justify individual character pages for a show that may flop after airing only a couple episodes. Nothing, even the name of specific characters is solid yet, the show is still filming it's first few episodes. I think time will tell when seperate pages are called for, but right now is way to early to have them.

2.) There really isn't enough information to justify having individual pages. Creating a characters section within this article would do for now with the very limited information around on the show.

3.) TV series do often have character pages on Wiki, but they are usually for successful shows, and have merged off of the main page due to the large amount of information available.

4.) It is easy to create new character pages again if needed in the distant future. I don't think we should keep them just for the sake of a possible headstart, on pages we may in the end not need at all.

I personally am really excited for the show, but I have to put my vote as a resounding yes in favour of the merge. Since this article itself is small, it calls for the merge of the related (character) pages into it. Refer to Article size subheading "Splitting a Page"-a rule of thumb. "Icseaturtles | Talk" 07:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge - As stated above, there is no current need for individual character pages, although I look forward to the day that they are needed. The main article will be more informative with the known character info remaining on the main page. -- Pesco 00:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

DriveForums.com
DriveForums.com is a new site which provides forums for Drive fans to discuss the show. I do not think it is considered advertising since it is a fan based site. There are no advertisements on the site, so there is no profit made from posting the link.

DriveFans.com is a fan site, which is not removed from the external links. DriveForums.com is similar.

If you disagree with me, please tell me why.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.82.162.131 (talk) 22:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC).


 * The difference is that Drive Fans and its precursor, the Drive News Blog, actually have useful, unique content. From what I can see, DriveForums.com currently has eight topics, only one of which has any replies. Even if there is no financial profit involved, the addition of the link seems less to benefit readers looking for information than it seems to be meant to draw people to a forum to build its user base. It is therefore promotional. We already have a couple forums in the other links. Please refrain from re-adding it until a consensus can be established regarding the appropriateness of the link. Dancter 00:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for explaining that. I will be sure to discuses it here in the future. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Error47 (talk • contribs) 04:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC).


 * You should probably discuss your other link here, too, and perhaps invite the contributor(s) whom you've been edit-warring with to do the same. Dancter 18:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed somebody has added "DriveFanForums.com" on the page now, a domain which doesn't exist. I've removed it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Solidedges (talk • contribs).

Characters Pictures
Image:Ellie Laird.jpg, Image:Ivy Chitty.jpg, Image:John Trimble.jpg, Image:Leigh Barnthouse.jpg, Image:Susan Chamblee.jpg, Image:Violet Trimble.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wael.Mogherbi (talk • contribs) 15:39, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Source: http://imdb.com/title/tt0770521/photogallery-ss-0


 * Sorry, but I had to edit your post. Fair use does not apply in the talk pages, per policy item #9. Dancter 15:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Characters Information to add on
http://www.tv.com/drive/show/58334/cast.html?flag=2&tag=subtabs;writers_directors

character infoboxes
i think we should add the cars that they are driving to the character infoboxes... -Xornok 16:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah That's right and i'm going to do it -Wael.Mogherbi 23:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Show Inaccuracies
The series premiere had quite a few geographical (like mountains and desert terrain in Florida) and other inaccuracies... is there a reason why 68.60.173.109 removed them with their edit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.202.244 (talk • contribs)


 * That type of content is generally considered non-notable from Wikipedia's perspective, and as such not suitable for inclusion. Just about every television and film production has some degree of inaccuracy like that, so it is not unique to this series. (Remember, the series isn't about the places they pass through - those are only backdrops for the race.) --Ckatz chat spy  04:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I see. Well, that's going to be a bit bland, don't you think? I mean, they're going to have this same little stretch of southern Californian road for the entire series? -Carthaginienses
 * The purpose of the talk page is to discuss changes to this article, not our opinion about the show. Like Ckatz said, this is non-notable for the time being.  Jtrost (T | C | #) 20:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Blah? As Jtrost noted, the show isn't about the locations, it's about the characters, the action, etc. And you also have to realize how expensive it is to shoot on location, especially for a show like this where the locations are always changing.  Drive is expensive enough as it is, shooting on location would have been cost prohibitive to the point the network (any network, not just Fox) would have never greenlit it.  But then, for stuff like those Great Florida Mountains (yeah right, the only mountain in Florida is Space Mountain at Disney World), it wouldn't have been too hard to digitally paint them out.  The show is already loaded with lots of digital effects (note the transistions between race teams while they're on the road).

FOX
It seems to me that CTV is realistically the "original" channel, as FOX's broadcast doesn't have any originality to it. Matthew 19:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * fox bought it, produced it, and is airing it before any other channel... besides this one time... -Xornok 19:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * CTV seems to be beating American networks to the punch more often these days. The same thing happened with Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. - The Lake Effect 18:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone find a reliable source for the various cars being used in the show?
I can not seem to find any information on the different cars being used throughout the show. I'd like to see a reliable source that could detail the different vehicle makes and models (at the least) for each of the racers. I think this could greatly enhance an article about a TV show based around driving. ju66l3r 01:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

It would be kind of cool if there was a section regarding the cars. Especially since one page I was on, it seems there is some confusion about what kind of car Tulley is now driving. Jubel Earley ... scratch that ... Detective Ehrle said it was a Dodge Charger when he was looking at it in the picture, but some in the know are saying it looks a lot more like a Dodge Challenger. I'm no gearhead so I looked up photos and it does appear to be a Challenger, not a Charger. But it would be cool if there was a definitive source that outlined what all the significant cars have been. Even including Bill's modern-day Charger and the bounty hunter's Shelby Mustang. Nolefan32 02:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

USA Today has a list, but I'm not sure what their sources are. It may not be exactly right, either. http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-04-11-drive-car-report_N.htm Spider1


 * That list looks pretty accurate to me. I don't know the cars well enough to speak on the years, but yes, that is a Dodge Challenger (Tully), a Ford Taurus (the Trimbles), a Dodge Charger (Bill), a Dodge Caravan (Wendy), a Pontiac Firebird (the Lairds - specifically, it's a Trans Am), and a Land Rover LR3 (the New Orleans girls).  There's also been a Ford Mustang, driven by the bounty hunter (looked specifically like a Shelby Cobra GT).

His sister referred to it as a 1972 Dodge Challenger. Also, I think the Lairds are in a second-generation Chevrolet Camaro. In the trailers it was referred to as a "1981 classic". 1981 was the last year of the second-generation Camaro. Spider1 03:25, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The Lairds are in a Pontiac Firebird Trans Am, hence the big blue bird on the hood. Paint it black instead of white and it's the same car Burt Reynolds drove in Smokey & the Bandit II.  Though, like many cars manufactured by the same company (Pontiac and Cheverolet are both GM), the Firebird and Camaro are near twins.

Excuse My Language but, WTF!?
Its seems really funny to me on the April 16 episode when characters were in Brooksville,Fl in the background, there were mountains!!!! I think its funny how west-central Florida looks nothing like Southern California lol. Tampa Bay locals would understand this better lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.229.218 (talk • contribs)
 * 72.77.229.218, please refrain from deleting talk page discussions as you did here. It is contrary to Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you. --Ckatz chat spy  09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe that this is noteworthy, as the highest point in Florida is Britton Hill and has hardly any perceptible relief. We should be allowed to discuss this.... Carthaginienses


 * It's not notable, simply because this is an issue common to most television productions. By the same token, we don't comment on the physics of how they're driving as we just accept it as entertainment - could a car modded with low-rider gear really handle safely at extremely high speeds? For that matter, you would think there'd be a few arrests for unsafe driving as well. Keep in mind that the show isn't about Florida, or Georgia, or any of the other locales - it's about the race. Cape Canaveral to Rome could just as easily have been Whistler to Spokane, if the producers were so inclined. --Ckatz chat spy  08:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I can understand, but you have to realize that with 17.5 million people, and with such a hyped premiere, you're going to have a few people take notice. Maybe this should just be included in the trivia for either the main or individual episode articles, but then it may not be trivia if every episode will feature the same terrain.... Maybe make a note in the filming production section "As evidenced by the highway scene geography, filming takes place on Interstate 210 in Rialto, California on the finished but unopened portion between Alder Ave. and Linden Ave." What do you think? - Carthaginienses 16:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be a good way to handle it, rather than just part of a "trivia" section (which is somewhat discouraged in articles.) You could say something like "highway scenes are shot on ____" (along with a reference to support it). Then, mention something like "This leads to geographic discrepancies in scenes intended to represent other locations. For example, in the episode "____", the action set on Florida's Interstate ___ has mountains visible in the background, whereas there are no..." (rough wording). The idea is to make this information part of a larger perspective on aspects of the series and its production. That way, it is easier to justify inclusion - and also easier to identify and weed out inconsequential notes that can quickly accumulate in a "trivia" section. --Ckatz chat spy  17:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I can see both sides of this. On the one hand, I don't generally pay attention to details like the scenery unless a show is pretty boring, and Drive isn't boring, so I hadn't noticed the mountains. I did notice the mountains on Flamingo Road, an old Morgan Fairchild nighttime soap that was set in Florida (where the only mountain is Space Mountain at Disney World), so that reflects how bad that show actually was. So what I'm saying is, if you're paying attention to the show, the mountains shouldn't matter so much. Also, if what you want is for them to shoot the show on location, you have no idea how cost prohibitive that is, especially given that the locations are ever changing in this show. However, in this day and age, with all of the digital editing that's done anyway (and Drive is loaded with it -- note that nearly all of the transitions are done digitally), it would have been pretty easy to erase them from the background. Nolefan32 18:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm with you when you mention the digital editing that could have been done. You're right... filming on-location would be extremely, extremely expensive and would definitely not be feasible, but the digital editing seems like it would work.... It will be interesting to see if this changes in future episodes. -- - Carthaginienses 23:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Then why didn't they just clean it up? Another note (sort of personal) I dont't know if I have some sort of disorder, but I am very,very familiar with the stretch of Interstate 75 from the Tampa Bay area all the way to Atlanta and there are not large portions of treeless land along the way on that stretch, you are narrowed in by trees, It drives me insane! Also, I-75 is not a 10 lane highway anywhere between Tampa and Atlanta, at most, it is 6 lanes. You do not see I-75 become 8+ lanes until Atlanta traveling northbound. One more thing on a positive note, I like how the opening credits have a reference to Interstate 275 which I happen to travel everyday. Spamcollector14 23:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

They weren't on I-75 though, they were on I-95(I guess some could've taken the turnpike). I'm very familiar with that stretch of road, and for anyone who has been to florida, those mountains stand out like a sore thumb. 151.200.152.61 04:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * They were clearly on I-95 from Key West through Jupiter to Cape Canaveral, but after that, they more than likely cut across the state by way of the Florida Turnpike and took I-75 up to Rome, hence how they also ended up in Gainesville and Valdosta. I-95 would be too far out of the way. Nolefan32 20:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I-95 is on the seperate side of the state thatn Brooksville.

Yes, that may be true but, when Alex Tully and Kristin Lehman were pulled over in Brooksville the mountains are in the background and that dessert terrain. Wait a minute, Florida had a drought that has been lasting since like 1996 lol so i guess its not that much of an inaccuracy.

Keeping spoilers in the cast box
Two comments. 1) Wikipedia is not a news site or a television fan site, but for information. 2) Clearly there are spoilers here without a spoiler warning. We should either remove the spoilers entirely so someone can look at the cast without knowing what is happening, or throw a warning in there. Edward Hyena 23 April 2007
 * I agree! i do think some people that hasn't seen an episode might get spoiled. I didn't get spoiled because I watch the show but that is beside the point. I think there either should be a waring or a deletion.—Wcm2010 23:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Spoiler warnings are a courtesy, not a right. WP:CENSOR. Matthew 23:30, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Episodes
Have more than 6 episodes been filmed? Also, is there any word on if the show will be released on DVD? 72.68.7.227 01:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Cancellation
Does anyone have any insight from legitimate sources about the reasons for this show's early cancellation? Azrael Renegades 20:03, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I really think it was due to poor ratings. They were losing out to "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" for crying out loud. Also, 24's ratings were the lowest they've been all season when Drive was opening the prime time slot. –King Bee (&tau; • &gamma;) 13:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * drive come on on mondays, not sunday, and 24's ratings were low because 1, this season sucks, and 2, heroes started back up, duh... -Xornok 17:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Good god, ANOTHER cancelled FOX show...well I guess we can expect that from them. Ashura96 12:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * They have lots of cancelled shows, but do they not have a lot of successful long running shows as well? Simpsons, etc. Matthew 13:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, you know you shouldn't go off-topic, Matthew.--Kamikaze 17:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

- am I the only one that sort of didnt like the show at first, but after seeing the last episode I just couldnt wait for the next episode and was shocked to hear it got cancelled. Twist after twist with this show. http://www.metacritic.com/tv/shows/drive 9.4 average from over 250 voters aint bad.. sounds like the show was on at the wrong time.


 * Zap2it.com described the cancellation like this.


 * "FOX Revokes License to 'Drive'"


 * "Another short ride for Minear and Fillion"


 * "Nathan Fillion on 'Drive'FOX's "Drive" has run out of gas."


 * "The heavily promoted car-race drama has run into a brick wall."


 * "FOX has decided that the auto-friendly "Drive" is a lemon."


 * "The network has taken "Drive" to the impound lot and crunched its already reduced order into a little cube."


 * "FOX has taken the off ramp and exited "Drive.""


 * "..the Tim Minear and Ben Queen-created drama has reached the end of the road,.."


 * http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-foxcancelsdrive,0,777425.story


 * 72.82.175.2 23:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

List of episodes
The list of episodes was merged to this page over a month and a half ago, said action being proposed by Kaizersoze, completed by Wael.Mogherbi, and echoed in a comment from DWP17 at the "list" page: "list of Drive episodes page is unnecessary and can be moved to main article." Matthew, having seen that I updated the infobox (completing an action started by 41.208.70.21), has repeatedly reverted the changes this morning, saying it has to be discussed. Given the history documented above, I would say that the onus is on Matthew to demonstrate why his actions should occur, *before* doing them. Thoughts? --Ckatz chat spy  08:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Propose and discuss. Follow process properly. Thanks. Matthew 08:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Very interesting comment, considering the source. Matthew, you were well aware that the content had been moved here, seeing as how you've edited the page since it was done (and obviously have it watchlisted.) By your standards, based on past comments you have made in similar situations, the onus is on you to find consensus for your changes, not the reverse. --Ckatz chat spy  09:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * "[Y]ou were well aware that the content had been moved here", I became well aware when your edit popped up "avoiding redirection". You're welcome to propose a merge, there's an established process. Matthew 09:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Matthew, you edited the main page on May 29th when the merge tag was present (not my edit), and on June 23rd when the content had already been merged, complete with hard-to-miss green borders. (Again, not my edit.) Finally, there's your third of four edits at List of Drive episodes on June 23rd, when you removed the merge template without explanation or discussion. --Ckatz chat spy  09:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters
A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episodes and characters, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction). Ikip (talk) 11:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Won't much affect this series, as it has only the one article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 11:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

2016 merge
This article consists almost entirely of plot, and is excessive for a TV series that never made it past episode number seven. I support severely truncating the information here and merging it into the Drive article itself. —  fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124;  15:30, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

I only just realized I'd commented on the series page instead of the list of characters' page. Let me try again: The list of characters page consists almost entirely of plot, and is excessive for a TV series that never made it past episode number seven. I support severely truncating the information there and merging it into this article. —  fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124;  20:07, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed and ✅ Klbrain (talk) 12:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


 * 2018 merge (diff) ... and 2021 delete (diff) ... all gone.
 * I wanted to read a little more, and while I was at it figured I'd provide diffs just in case of the unlikely event that anyone wants to go back and try to salvage some of that to write better episode summaries, or maybe turn the cast table into a better cast section. -- 109.76.131.136 (talk) 02:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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