Talk:Drop kick

Drop goal?
Am I the only one who thinks this article is almost about drop goals rather then drop kicks. The start of each section, first mentions the drop goal, for each sport, only mentioning that the drop kick is used to score the goal. Should each section instead start by describing the drop kick and how it is performed. Then go into it's applications? This is pretty confusing, especialy since Drop Goal is redirected to this page, which I believe is an error. There is also the page Field goal, which further complicates matters or just plain confuses me POds 02:42, 27 August 2005 (UTC);

Great work paul, thats exactly what I had in mind. Again with Field goal. I would have done it myself, i just wanted to make sure I wasnt steping on any ones toes... Or is that in its self a violation of wiki's being bold attitude? :) POds 12:47, 27 August 2005 (UTC);
 * Thanks, the way I see it (not that I rampage through Wikipedia or anything) if there's not much discussion, it's fair game. BTW, I was also bold in using the term field goal, rather than drop goal, in my neck of the woods it always been FG.. --Paul 14:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yer, I'm very used to field goal although if someone was to say drop goal, i'd definatly know what they ment. There must be a close to 50/50 use of the words in Aust! POds 15:04, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe in union circles, in league it's pretty much universally FG. --Paul 10:58, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * BTW - if you have not already seen it, You'd may be interested in this /* POds 15:08, 27 August 2005 (UTC) */

In England 'field goal' is considered an Aussie term and one imported from the US. Most people know what it means since most people who follow Rugby league also have an interest in NRL / State of Origin. AFAIK the term 'field goal' is actually mentioned in the rules and doesn't mean quite the same as 'drop goal' (though I forget the difference).GordyB 13:48, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 *  imported from the US Can't say I've ever heard that theory before. --Paul 15:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * New to me too. I dont think i've actualy ever called it either one strictly. I'm aware of 'field goal' just as much as i am of 'drop goal'. What I'm trying to say is, i dont even know which one i used the most... maybe field?.. drop... sounds the same :) POds 04:04, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Flutie's drop kick
"Flutie had practiced this before, actually converting a few when he played in the Canadian Football League." has been removed from the article. Feel free to repost this once you've provided a source for this. --OntarioQuizzer 20:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

You're right Ontario, Flutie never did a drop kick convert in the CFL. I have been watching the CFL for many years and i have never seen anyone do a drop kick convert! He may have attempted a drop kick once, perhaps at the end of a game with the hope that someone on his team would recuperate the ball, but Flutie was perhaps too good with his running ability and arm to need to attempt a drop kick. Certainly he practiced doing the drop kick during his time in the CFL, that is all I could say. Stettlerj 22:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused. The article states that a drop kick "...involves a player dropping the ball and then kicking it when it bounces off the ground. It contrasts to a punt, wherein the player kicks the ball without letting it hit the ground first." However, Flutie clearly punted the ball. There was no bounce. Was his kick really a drop kick? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.123.160.115 (talk) 13:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Due to the aggressive nature of the NFL's copyright protection, clips of this kick can be tough to find online, and in my experience are of poor quality when found. This may lead to the confusion here, but Flutie definitely performed the drop kick properly; the ball did hit the ground. The kick WAS simultaeneous to the ball contacting the ground, but it definitely does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hevato (talk • contribs) 20:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Grey Cup won on a drop kick
Can anyone back up the claim that a Grey Cup was won on a rouge that came from a drop kick? Stettlerj 23:11, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I checked with the book "Bob Irving (edited by). Blue & Gold: 75 Years of Blue Bomber Glory, 2005." and the claim is most likely false. According to the Grey Cup page, the Bombers only Grey Cup wins in the 1960s were in 1961 and 1962.
 * For the 1961 Grey Cup, according to the book the score was tied 14-14 after regulation time and Ploen ran it into the endzone for a touchdown. With the extra point that gives the final score of 21-14. Unless the extra point of the game winning touchdown was scored on a drop kick (the book doesn't say), there was no drop kick in overtime. So unless a drop kick was completed in regulation time to force the overtime (stretching the meaning "game winning drop kick" a little too far), it did not happen in 1961.
 * For the 1962 Grey Cup, the book says "The Bombers were leading 28-27 on two touchdowns apiece by Lewis and Shepard at the point of suspension, and that was to be the final score." (the game was suspended due to fog and finished the next day). So unless the extra point on one of the touchdowns was a drop kick (the book makes no mention of this) then it could not have happened in 1962.
 * I'm going to remove that sentence from the page based on this. Qutezuce 06:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Calvillo drop kick?
Did Calvillo perform a drop kick? As I recall the ball did not touch the ground, making it a punt rather than a drop kick. Qutezuce 07:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I have seen it referred to as having been a drop kick. Anyone have a video to verify?Stettlerj 08:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * There is the recap of the Grey Cup game on the TSN site here (scroll down to the CFL section near the bottom) (you probably will need to create an account on the TSN site). The kick itself is obscured by people on the sideline, but to me it looks like Calvillo throws the ball out while he is getting tackled, and when he kicks it he is already leaning way back due to the tackle in progress. A drop-kick would have been very hard to produce under such circumstances to my eyes, especially one that got some decent air. A lot of people seem to think that a drop-kick is the same as a punt, probably because so few people have actually seen a drop-kick, and because the name "drop-kick" could also refer to a punt (in which the ball is dropped directly onto the punter's foot). Qutezuce 08:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I checked The Sports Network's highlights and I agree with you. Calvillo punted the ball on 3rd down, he did not drop kick it. I'll remove the reference to it. Stettlerj 20:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Coaches
Well, first thing I can see is that Mike Ditka (who if I'm not mistaken, was a coach), is listed in the article, so by Gator1's logic, Bill Belichick should be in the article as well. --OntarioQuizzer 17:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that we should include many of the details relating to Flutie's drop kick. It is the only drop kick in 60 years, making it very notable in relation to this article. Qutezuce 17:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. The current state of the section is acceptable as is.Gator (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I think that the current state of the article is a good compromise position as it mentions Belichick's important role in use of Flutie's drop kick (much like Ditka's disapproval) without overwhelming the article with it. --OntarioQuizzer 13:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Runon Sentance
This is a runon sentance and should be fixed.

Arena league to draw from, and the play would in any event occur too seldom to seem to be worth the amount of practice time that would have to be devoted to it for it to be executed at any real level of proficiency; in practice a pass off of the rebound nets above the endlines which, if completed, would result in six points and a win for the team down by four points, rather than a tie and overtime, probably has at least an equal and possibly a superior chance of success.

Depth Chart
As far as I know Flutie was listed behind Brady all year; Cassel was 3rd.

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