Talk:Drum line (shark control)

Singular or plural
The Wikipedia manual of style suggests that the singular form be used for an article title, rather than the plural. In this case, the opening sentence itself starts with "A drum line", so there doesn't seem to be an over-riding reason to use the plural for the title. Can I suggest that it be renamed?

Your case for renaming to 'Drum line' sounds reasonable to me. You have my support. Danimations (talk) 06:23, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

✅ Renamed to "Drum line (shark control)". (See below.) Mitch Ames (talk) 08:33, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Dubious anonymous IP address editing
Hi, I just wanted to draw your attention to the frequent and often dubious editing of this page via anonymous IP addresses. Perhaps a more experienced editor who was contributed to the Western Australian shark cull page may be able to moderate or at least keep an eye on these edits and editors? User:Mitch Ames this might be up your alley..? Danimations (talk) 02:15, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

First in Qld?
Drum lines says:

implying that Qld was the first in the world - given that the article is not limited to Australia. But the ref does not appear to say that Qld was the first in the world, it merely says that Qld started using drum lines in 1962. Is there a reliable source that says Qld were first in the world in 1962? Mitch Ames (talk) 12:31, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Here are some references to drum lines earlier than 1962: This comes from a search of newspapers on Trove, so is limited to Australia. We can't tell from this what other countries might have done before 1962. It demonstrates that 1962 was certainly not the first use of drum lines. 1962 might have been the first use to prevent shark attacks, but the article is about "drum lines" not "drum lines used to prevent shark attacks", so the History section ought to mention other usages. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:36, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * 1914, Townsville
 * 1927, Brisbane
 * 1930, Melbourne


 * I believe 1962 was the first time that drumline were used in a long term shark control programme, refer to page 492 of Responding to the risk of white shark attack: updated statistics, prevention, control, methods and recommendation. Chapter 29 In: M. L. Domeier (ed). Global Perspectives on the Biology and Life History of the White Shark http://biotelemetry.ucdavis.edu/publications/12_Curtis%20et%20al_Global%20Perspectives_Risk%20of%20Shark%20Attack_2011.pdf


 * Perhaps we should reword the section to "Drum lines were first employed as part of a ongoing shark control programe in 1962" and include the above as a reference? (Ilenart626 (talk) 15:54, 27 November 2016 (UTC))


 * I found a reference that also implied it was the first use but didn't state it outright. The claim was made on page 492 of Global Perspectives on the Biology and Life History of the White Shark and sources it to Dudley, S. F. J. (1997). A comparison of the shark control programs of New South Wales and Queensland (Australia) and KwaZulu-Natal (South Africa). Ocean and Coastal Management 34, 1–27.  Using Sci-Hub I can see that Dudley doesn't claim it was the first use. I can only assume it was the first systematic use (or government initiative) for shark control. New Zealand followed shortly afterwards.- Shiftchange (talk) 20:44, 27 November 2016 (UTC)


 * http://biotelemetry.ucdavis.edu/publications/12_Curtis%20et%20al_Global%20Perspectives_Risk%20of%20Shark%20Attack_2011.pdf says:


 * but does not say that 1962 was the first deployment of drum lines. One simple solution is to just delete the word "first" from (either the existing wording, or 's proposed wording above) - unless/until someone can find a reference that explicitly says that Qld 1962 was the first. Mitch Ames (talk) 08:59, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Deleting "first" from the existing wording is fine by me (Ilenart626 (talk) 09:18, 28 November 2016 (UTC))

✅ Mitch Ames (talk) 23:40, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Article title
I propose that the article should be moved to Drum line (aquatic trap) or something similar, to comply with WP:SINGULAR and WP:NCDAB. Does anyone have any better suggestions than "aquatic trap" as the parenthetical disambiguator? Mitch Ames (talk) 10:01, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps "shark control". - Shiftchange (talk) 10:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Drum Line (shark control) works for me (Ilenart626 (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2016 (UTC))

✅ - Renamed to "Drum line (shark control)". Mitch Ames (talk) 05:48, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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Fisheries Minister Dave Kelly references
I have removed the references from the Western Australian Fisheries Minister Dave Kelly when he was quoted in 2017 that he did not support drumlines as they were not effective, for example here. He has obviously changed his mind given that the WA government are now deploying drumlines this summer in a trial, refer his media statement here. Ilenart626 (talk) 08:55, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The Dave Kelly quote is from August 2018, not 2017. He still believes that drum lines are not a scientific approach, in spite of the Western Australian government's actions. In November 2018, he said that a scientific assessment of the drum line trial would not be possible until after the trial, implying that he is not sure that the trial will yield scientific results. Also, Kelly's quote is about drum lines in general (including lethal ones, which he does not support). I added back the quote, but added a note at the end of it referencing Kelly's November statement. LumaP15 (talk) 06:18, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Media needed
This article needs some media- photos or drawings of the equipment described. Perhaps some old out-of-copyright books?71.230.16.111 (talk) 01:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)