Talk:Dubno

"Annexed"

 * 1) Dubno was not "granted" to Zaslawski family upon extinction of the Ostrogskis.
 * 2) There is no annexation through treaty. If Ukraine annexed Dubno in 1945, then Poland annexed Stettin and Breslau the same year. Please remove the inflammatory word from the article, or I will do it myself. --Ghirlandajo 21:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


 * 1) It was directly inherited after the Ostrogski's branch died out - I clarified on that
 * 2) I'm afraid I don't know what's it that you find inflammatory here. USSR annexed that part of pre-war Poland just like Poland annexed those cities in 1945, it seems pretty obvious for me.
 * 3) Also, I clarified on the Kiev Ruthenia thingie. The successor state is a state that occupies same territory or parts of it in this context, so I explained that the Dubno duchy was not the only one. Halibutt 22:44, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I raised the issue earlier at different talk pages that the word "annexed" is used all too liberally in Wikipedia. Annexation is a unilateral action by definition and there cannot be an annexation through the treaty, even an unjust treaty forced by a stronger upon the weaker. I added the following phrase to clarify it to an annexation article itself.
 * In international relations the term annexation is usually applied when the emphasis is placed on the fact that territorial possession is achieved by force and unilaterally rather than through treaties or negotiations.

No one ever edited this out for months by now, which means that people agree on that. Of course, I did not invented this definition either, just check the common dictionaries. --Irpen 02:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Note that it was not until the 1991 government ratified the previous treaties of the Peoples Republic of Poland there was a valid border treaty. Before that, it was purely uni-lateral. The Commie-led "Polish" government of 1940's and 1950's was as independent as, say, association of Soviet writers. They were Soviet people, brought to Poland by the Soviets in order to execute their power here. Signing the pacts with them was as unilateral as if Stalin signed a pact with himself. Halibutt 10:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Halibutt, this is your history, and you have to live with it. Attempts at rewriting history lead us nowhere. --Ghirlandajo 10:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * So, was Poland independent for you or was it not? Halibutt 10:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * De jure, Poland was as independent as any country - say Japan or Germany - is, when there are foreign troops stationed on its territory. --Ghirlandajo 11:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Which proves my point. Poland in 1946 or 1949 was as independent as Germany. Halibutt 11:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

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Taras Bulba
Is it worth noting that Dubno is one of the primary sites for the movie Taras Bulba? 67.187.65.178 (talk) 15:37, 5 June 2022 (UTC)