Talk:Dubplate

Dubplate special
Seems to me that some repetition has leaked in here. Plus, I don't see the need for a seperate "dubplate special" page as it covers the same ground. John Eden 14:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Not really, "dubplate" and "dubplate special" are as different as "record" and "song". You can record anything you like onto a dubplate, and you can record a dubplate special onto any format. If anything, "dubplate" is an abbreviation of "dubplate special". Henry Bainbridge 10:35, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Agree they should be merged. True there is a difference between 'dubplate' and 'dubplate special', just as there is a difference between 'jungle' and 'drum n bass'. However both topics cover such similer ground that one article will suffice. Raerth

It also seems to me that nobody actually uses the expression "dubplate special". The recordings are always referred to as dubplates. I don't feel hugely passionate about the debate though! John Eden 13:55, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

The term definitely exists. I use it on a fairly regular basis, and its also well documented. Granted, its a Jamaican music industry term which you dont use in Drum and Bass circles, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist. I think the problem with merging means that if someone looks up "dubplate special" or "special" and gets redirected to "dubplate" its only going to create more misunderstanding, regardless of the fact that separating "Drum and Bass" and "Jungle" wouldnt really help to clarify the difference between those 2 genres. I am arguing for 2 separate entries: one entry dealing with the physical format, and its various uses; and one dealing with a type of musical recording that is not intrinsically linked to that physical format in any way, and even has a different name. Henry

Who in reggae still uses the phrase "dubplate special"? I can't remember hearing it on clash tapes for ages - it always "duplate" iirc. I can see the distinction your making, but I can still see an argument for keeping both on the same page. People are just as likely to search for "dubplate" as "special" I think, and be after an entry on the actual audio content than the medium. John Eden 08:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, these are industry terms that you dont hear in clash tapes. If you work in the industry you get to know and distinguish the 2 terms easily. A casual listener may ignore the difference, but semantically the 2 terms share practically nothing in common any more, so they should be separated -despite the fact they sound similar. H


 * I have recently reverted edits by User KaliLans as they might be regarded as unconstructive by administrators, and did not meet Wikipedia criteria on references/cite any sources. They follow a similar argument to the one made above by Henry Bainbridge. It looks like Dubplate special has been redirected to Dubplate since 2006 and this may be where some of the contention above has arisen. As it stands, Dubplate as an article is to describe the medium and its history and use, rather than wider 'dubplate culture'. Any content on this article or another dedicated article is welcome but needs to meet Wikipedia guidelines and be sourced/referenced. I fully agree with John Eden thoughts on this Altlondon (talk) 13:44, 12 October 2019 (UTC)