Talk:Duchy of Warsaw

Split
This article will soon be expanded and/or splitted into several subarticles. See WikiProject History of Poland/Periodization. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:35, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I trust this article will be expanded, and not split into several subarticles? john k 21:44, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Of course, expansion will come first and split only after we are near 32k. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:43, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I find it hard to see what natural subarticles could be made out of an article about a state that existed for only six years. john k 15:52, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Indeed. I guess that PKaPP simply wanted to inform everyone of and invite to the WikiProject History of Poland. On the other hand World War II lasted 6 years too :) Halibutt 20:27, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Duchy of Warsaw (not Grand)
The official name of the state was Duchy of Warsaw and the official name of the monarch was Duke of Warsaw (Dux Varsoviae). I don't know why in some sources the name of Grand Duchy is used which is simply an error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.244.138.105 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 29 November 2004 (UTC)


 * In that case I believe we should mention in the article that those names are mistakenly used in some contemporary (?) sources. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:42, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

KSI&#280;STWO WARSZAWSKIE,
utworzone 1807 przez Napoleona I na mocy pokoju tylżyckiego jako państwo formalnie niepodległe w sojuszu z Francją; w skład Księstwa Warszawskiego weszły ziemie II i III zaboru prus. (bez Gdańska i obwodu białost.) oraz okręg nadnotecki i ziemia chełmińska; obszar ok. 104 tys. km², 2,6 mln mieszk., po przyłączeniu 1809 części zaboru austr. (pokój z Austrią w Schönbrunn) — obszar 155 tys. km², 4,3 mln mieszk.; ustrój Księstwa Warszawskiego określiła Konstytucja Księstwa Warszawskiego; było ono monarchią konstytucyjną związaną unią personalną z Saksonią, dziedziczną w ramach dynastii; na tron powołano króla saskiego Fryderyka Augusta jako księcia warsz.; kraj został podzielony na departamenty (pozn., kal., bydg., warsz., płoc., łomż.; od 1809 także radom., krak., lubel. i siedl.). Mimo formalnej niezależności, polityka zagr. (wyłączny atrybut króla saskiego) była ściśle podporządkowana interesom polit. Napoleona I; liczna pol. armia (początkowo 45 tys., 1812 — ok. 100 tys.) wzięła udział 1812 w wojnie z Rosją; decydujący wpływ na politykę rządu miał rezydent fr., który stale przebywał w Warszawie i miał prawo interpelacji. W społeczeństwie Księstwa Warszawskiego przez cały czas dominowała orientacja profr., wiążąca z Napoleonem I nadzieje na odbudowę niepodległej Rzeczypospolitej. Trudna sytuacja gosp. Księstwa, tj. zmniejszenie eksportu zboża, spadek cen, zadłużenie skarbu (bajońska konwencja), wysokie koszty utrzymania armii — stały się bodźcem do intensyfikacji rolnictwa i prowadzenia protekcjonistycznej polityki w stosunku do przemysłu; nastąpił rozwój szkolnictwa (Dyrekcja Edukacji Narodowej). W I 1813 Księstwo Warszawskie zostało zajęte przez wojska ros., w marcu car Aleksander I powołał Radę Najwyższą Tymczasową Księstwa Warszawskiego, a 1815 zostało ono zlikwidowane decyzją kongresu wiedeńskiego (z 5/6 części terytorium utworzono Królestwo Polskie). B. GROCHULSKA Księstwo Warszawskie, Warszawa 1991. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.244.138.105 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 29 November 2004 (UTC)

Move to Grand Duchy of Warsaw
If as the article says:
 * The Duchy of Warsaw is commonly referred to today as the "Grand Duchy of Warsaw". 

Then under the guidelines of WP:NC the article should be moved to "Grand Duchy of Warsaw". --Philip Baird Shearer 10:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a joke, right? The article also says, in thr lead, that "the duchy is often referred to, incorrectly, as the Grand Duchy of Warsaw." The convention to use the most common name does not mean we should use the most common misnomer. &mdash; Kpalion(talk) 17:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Kpalion, can you find your answer to that question in RD/H archives? I am sure Philip means well, and he will understand the issue once he reads the discussion we had there.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, found it: Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2007 August 21. Perhaps the article should make it even more clear that "Grand Duchy" is a misnomer, not an alternative name. &mdash; Kpalion(talk) 18:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Need for overlay map(s)
It would be useful to have a map showing the boundaries of the Duchy of Warsaw, overlaid on the current borders of Poland and neighboring states. It might also be useful to show the boundaries of Poland between the World Wars (1922-1939). Josh-Levin@ieee.org (talk) 11:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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Why was the COMMONNAME removed?
A misnomer or not, it should at least be mentioned once in the article, many people (incorrectly) learn of the "bad" name first. --Codename Alex (talk) 06:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

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Flag
Hi. I have noticed that the file with red and white flag was removed recently, and claimed to not be accurate. I myself was wondering for years, if it was a real symbol, due to its resemblance to modern flag. However, because it was present in the article for years, and was removed without (to my knowledge) any discussion here, I thought maybe we should talk about it. Are there any sources that prove that red and white was the flag (or even a banner) of the Duchy of Warsaw? Are there any sources that disprove it for that matter? And are there any sources for that red banner with eagle that is currently present in the infobox? Artemis Andromeda (talk) 02:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Im fairly sure that the red banner with the eagle would have been most likely used as it appears on most of the Duchy's military flags and was the main symbol of Poland before 86.25.224.85 (talk) 12:16, 3 December 2023 (UTC)