Talk:Duck, You Sucker!

RE: "Restoration"
This section contains a reference to Sony "purchasing" MGM. That has never happened. MGM licensed their catalog to Sony around that time for DVD distribution in the US (that agreement has since lapsed, and 20th Century Fox currently distributes MGM's DVD's). If a purchase of MGM by Sony has happened, the author of this section needs to cite a reference or the sentence will be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srxt81 (talk • contribs) 22:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Vote for Deletion
from VfD:


 * A Fistful of Dynamite, in Portuguese, reads like a film review. -- Jmabel 06:04, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * I translated a little, skimmed the rest; not very encyclopedic; it's been over 2 weeks and no one's taken up the translation. Worthy topic, useless article. Delete.
 * Change to a stub - i.e. just keep the first line "A Fistful of Dynamite is a film by Sergio Leone." --Jll 11:46, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Abstain. Is this a notable film? Most films on Wikipedia don't deserve to be, but I don't know enough on Portugese culture to know if this is actually notable. --Improv 18:42, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I'd say anything by Leone is notable. The question is whether this is more useful than nothing. -- Jmabel 03:21, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and translate/cleanup or stubbify. Not Sergio Leone's most famous film, but still, it's Sergio Leone.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 22:03, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, agree w/ Gwalla &mdash; siro  &chi;  o  22:57, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable film. --Viriditas 08:09, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, and cut it down to a stub. Though it is not The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly or Once Upon a Time in the West, perhaps something about its general unpopularity can be found. Ian Pugh 20:01, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * keep Cabalamat 21:32, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

end moved discussion

Technical details
I specially watched that particular scene again. The governor was shot with a Browning HP. Although they bear a resemblance, Browning HP and Colt M1911 are not identical. Being a handgun afficionado, I know very well how these models look, and I could not mistake a M1911 for a Browning HP. Or an Obregon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fillosaurus (talk • contribs) 12:30, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Point taken. I looked very closely-it sure looks like a BHP, but the barrel bushing is missing--perhaps a prop gun? Also, an Astra is used by John in the final scenes/DVD cover. It was unavailable until the '20's, also. The Star, or Obregon (Mexican Copy) is held by the second policeman in the train scene, after Juan tabs the first cop. Leone deliberately used the MG42 in the bridge scene to add Nazi symbolism-- and, the Nazi-like Col. Günther Ruiz. (Ruse?)  These  symbolisms of the Nazi occupation  of Italy in WWII, including the massacre in the pits, was lauded by Italian audiences at its debut in Rome (but confusing to Americans-!)He often tried for authenticity, it only cost him a "Few dollars more"...68.231.185.24 (talk) 00:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I would like to know who and why deleted my commentaries about anachronisms and guns used in this movie. I think they were relevant and straight to the point. added by Fillosaurus (talk •

I've had trouble with the Edit function--maybe you accidentally did it yourself. I agree--all opinions are valuable. Perhaps we should talk guns over eMail. Also, the trains Leone used were obviously European. John's bike was a 1928 Harley model W (45 cu. inch.) with added with fenders, tanks, acetylene headlamp, etc. Not exactly 1913, but a lot faster. And, probably the oldest running American bike he could borrow in Spain and then shoot-up. The 'cycle used later, in Juan's escape from the firing squad, is supposed to be German. It Could have been a BMW,  Zundapp, DKW, or several other makes that existed in 1913.68.231.185.24 (talk) 00:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

About the Guns used: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/A_Fistful_of_Dynamite70.162.46.94 (talk) 19:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

New plot summary
Very good work done by Fillosaurus. It had been a pass time to try to get a better plot summary, but my work wasn't that notable. Thanks! MwNNrules It may be that those who do most, dream most. 03:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Giu la testa 01.jpg
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Sean's Flashback Bar Scene
Did this scene take place in Ireland, as in the article, or in London? The two police officers accompanying Sean's friend are dressed as English "bobbies", I do not know if these type of uniforms were used in Ireland during the Troubles. I suspect that Sean was part of an IRA cell that conducted a series of bombing campaigns in London... hence I think the flashback was to London, not Ireland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.34.162 (talk) 02:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

His name is John. It is seen in the newspaper clipping. Sean Nolan (played by David Warbeck, who was in the running for the next James Bond-!) is John's friend, who was tortured into betraying him. John shoots him. Why the music seems to go on and on: "Sean, Sean" is unclear. It could be "John"; with Italian opera singers, it's hard to tell. Sean is Gaelic (pr.:"Gallic")for John, anyway. You should get the two DVD set, it explains a lot of the location shooting and is only $13. Ref: Wiki, "David Warbeck"; the two- volume DVD of DYS, DYS by James Lewis

This was actually filmed in Dolan's Pub in Dublin. This is noted in the special features part of the DVD. (Leone declared "Drinks are on me!", and no filming got done for 4 hours-!) There are soldiers, supposedly  to be the "Black-and-Tan" Corps, and one bobbie (who were actually  there in 1913 Ireland-beats me if uniform accurate.)  But here are two more breaks in continuity, anachronisms--probably to simplify and give the audience a better "hold" on the movie: There were no B & T until 1919; no  or IRA until 1917. John would have to be Sinn Fein (pr." Shinn Fenn")or IRB or some splinter group. It was timed just right, though, for some IRA bombing in Londonderry or Belfast, I believe, in 1972, when I first saw it. The whole audience gave a sort of an exasperated sigh. And, I had a neighbor named Villega. Twice in One Movie? 184.99.183.144 (talk) 21:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Analysis
Does the film really "delve[s] deep into the class differences that shaped Mexico during its bloody revolution."? For sure it sides with the revolutionaries, but I dont think it shows much of mexico or what life in mexico was like at the time, which must be an extremely important part of "delving" into the class differences. it is an action movie with if not a political agenda then at least with clear values and sympathies, but it is pretty bad as a documentary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.231.250.215 (talk) 01:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Title
Everybody seems to think that the title was A Fistful of Dynamite. I have to admit that it's a cooler title then Duck, You Sucker, but why not use that title. I'm pretty sure that it was known as Duck You Sucker in it's theatrical run, and no one has cited that it was called A Fistful of Dynamite at any point, except as a nickname. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MwNNrules (talk • contribs) 02:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, if no one objects I will move the article to Duck You Sucker in a few days. --NEMT (talk) 14:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Good to see evidence of something getting done. I'm not objecting, and I've been examing every new edit for a while now. I can't think of anyone in specific to contact... so no one's stopping you. MwNNrules (talk) 00:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Moving article to Duck, You Sucker!

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was moved to Duck, You Sucker! Aervanath (talk) 13:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Well established fact this was the film's title during its theatrical run in the anglophone world. It's also the title of the region 1 DVD. It's also listed as the US title on IMDB, with A Fistful of Dynamite listed as an alternate title. 03:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

As per discussion here: Well established fact this was the film's title during its theatrical run in the anglophone world. It's also the title of the region 1 DVD. It's also listed as the US title on IMDB, with A Fistful of Dynamite listed as an alternate title.
 * Support, reasons stated above. --NEMT (talk) 06:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, TCM and AMC list the movie as Duck, You Sucker in their programming. --NEMT (talk) 17:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose, no reason to promote a retconned name that is no longer considered the principle name by most. Even moving it to Giu' la testa would be preferable. --Kaizer13 (talk) 00:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There's evidence given here that the proposed name is considered the standard name in some circles. Do you have evidence to support your claim that it is not? Dekimasu よ! 09:50, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support, reasons stated above. —Eclipsed Moon (talk) 11:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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IRA + Film
When the motorbike is unpacked an IRA flag, or piece of cloth with IRA stitched on it, is uncovered. This is impossible, as the film is set in the 1913 Mexican Revolution, whereas the IRA was only formed in 1917. (correction: 1919) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.92.58.216 (talk) 22:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually the use of the term 'Irish Republican Army' dates back to Fenian days in the late 19th Century. There's even an image of a similar flag used in the Fenian Raids. Jmccormac (talk) 14:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

IRB first, the Sinn Fein, then IRA. Leone used it so audiences could get a 1970's grip on it. Even though Wiki admits to previous use of probably only the spoken words--most Irish were illiterate in the 18th and early 19th century, read the history  of the Black Hand--the official I.R.A. wasn't until 1917: "The first known use of the term 'Irish Republican Army' occurred in the Fenian raids on many British landmarks, towns, and forts in the late 1700s and 1860s.[1] The original Irish Republican Army formed in 1917 from those Irish Volunteers who refused to enlist in the British Army during World War I, members of the Irish Citizen Army and others.[citation needed] During the Irish War of Independence it was the army of the Irish Republic"

This dates it to 1860's at latest, unofficially; not late 19th century. No one called themselves IRA, at least in record, from the 1860's until 1919.

This is a moot point, there's no way Leone could have know any: "IRA" existed  previous to 1917. We must go on the director's intentions; again, so audiences' could get a 1970's grip on the character.

Ref: A Fistful of Leone website, History of The Troubles, Michael Collins biography, 1916and 1921 by Morgan Llewellen, Wiki: IRA.174.18.47.151 (talk) 17:16, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Trilogy reference
I believe the reference to Duck, You Sucker! being "the second part of a trilogy of epic Leone films including the previous Once Upon a Time in the West and the subsequent Once Upon a Time in America," is misleading or incorrect. There is no connection whatsoever between the story arc and settings of the three above mentioned films, apart from the director and some of the cast. This information is referenced by IMDB, or any other online or published aggregator of movie information and reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Latriplette (talk • contribs) 21:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Films don't have to have parts of the same setting to be considered parts of the same trilogy. In fact, referring it to as a trilogy in this instance just means "3 of Sergio Leone's films". MisterShiney    ✉    21:36, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

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Name confusion
Is the character played by Antoine Saint-John called 'Colonel Günther Reza' or 'Colonel Günther Ruiz'? He is called the former in this article's 'Plot' section but the latter in the 'Cast' section. Meanwhile (to add to the confusion), IMDB lists the character as 'Gutierez/Col. Günther Reza'. In the film's dialogue, it certainly sounds as if they are saying, 'Ruiz'. 2.31.195.147 (talk) 11:02, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I propose changing the page name to A Fistful of Dynamite.
A Fistful of Dynamite is by far the more common title of this film in English speaking countries. The vast majority of releases in the west use this title and it's actually quite difficult to find a release with Duck, You Sucker! as the title. My logic is that people who purchase or hear about the film and want to find the subsequent Wikipedia page may have trouble finding it as the Wikipedia page uses the far lesser known title of the film which is no longer used in English releases. By all means a note can be added in the article summary stating it's not the original title but it is the current title. Something along the lines of "Originally released as Duck, You Sucker!." JugulatorJJ (talk) 17:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please set up a proper proposal using the WP:RM process. Thanks. Obviously it already redirects here. Johnbod (talk) 17:58, 28 January 2021 (UTC)