Talk:Dude Ranch (album)

Comment
Wiki may need an article about actual Dude Ranches... I wonder what that would do to the current page with that name? Krupo 22:19, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

Shouldn't make a difference, because, technically, that would be at Dude ranch. RickK 22:21, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

Ah, makes sense - very good. :) Krupo 02:38, Jun 29, 2004 (UTC)

Songs w/o links
There are some songs on this album that have their own Wiki pages, such as Enthused and Voyeur, so why arent there any links to them from the main album? A Jorb Well Done 08:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Second album - not third
Dude Ranch is the second studio album, not the third. Cheshire Cat was the first studio album. Buddha was a demo album. Stop changing it! Nouse4aname (talk) 13:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Pink Floyd Similarity/Derivation?
The cover of Dude Ranch looks very similar to the cover of the 1970 Pink Floyd album Atom Heart Mother. Was that intentional, or is it just a coincidence? The article does not say. -Mr. Mantis (talk) 21:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I came here wondering the same thing. --LibreLearner (talk) 05:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Genre
A user came and replaced skate punk and punk rock with pop punk. However, skate punk and punk rock were sourced reliably a long time ago. And even this source for punk if you read the quote it says:

And skate punk was sourced: The consensus was made long ago and has been like that since then for months. But pop punk was poorly sourced and one source isn't enough since as well at least two sources make verification unless you made a really good source.

2601:A:4100:5A:2882:BFE1:1FED:C2E4 (talk) 01:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Stop reverting back to the poorly sourced version of the article's infobox genres. Not a reliable source (user-submitted reviews should not be used), says "Songs featured on Dude Ranch have a more punk rock flair to them" (hardly defining the album as "punk rock"; "flair" is flimsy, as is "songs featured"), and this Allmusic book source does not mention anything about "skate punk", so how can you say it is cited? It does however support my revision, so unless you have a better source, please refrain from genre warring. Dan56 (talk) 01:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Elongated IP user insists on using questionable, out-of-context sources to support his/her opinion of this album's genre (nothing in this source citing "punk rock" as the genre). Clearly reaching to support his/her own opinion, as evinced by this edit to ¡Tré!. Discussing it could be a possible cure for his/her genre warring, but they dont respond. Oh well, I hope someone else does. Dan56 (talk) 02:10, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * This doesn't warrant any war, because it really doesn't matter that much. It's incredibly insignificant in the scope of the article. Sure, Dude Ranch is pretty clearly skate punk at its apex, the height of its popularity. But that pretty much coalesced with pop punk anyway. I was the one who initially sourced "skate punk" to that AllMusic book, and looking at it now, it was clearly an oversight on my part - skate punk is mentioned, but is said in regard to Cheshire Cat. Sooner or later we'll find a legit source that describes Dude Ranch as skate punk and then we can re-incorporate it back into the article. But for now, pop punk is sufficient. And no one needs to even be adding punk rock. Thardin12 (talk) 05:38, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I found a source in the body for punk so I added it. And many ip keep removing the genre so I added punk to set a consensus. It's sourced so why remove it? There's only one source for pop punk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.227.134.66 (talk) 00:21, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't see any mention of "Dude Ranch" in the source you cited, which is an interview of a band member. Interpretations of works (i.e. genres) should be by professional critiques (WP:SUBJECTIVE). Dan56 (talk) 00:36, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Garage punk
I'm going to lean towards WP:UNDUE on garage punk in this article. I understand that it's cited, but I believe it's misappropriated. In the book "The A to X of Alternative Music", when writing about Rocket from the Crypt with their "garage punk ethos" and state that groups like "http://books.google.ca/books?id=5CrUGq8t77kC&pg=PA26&dq=garage+punk+blink+182&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xYFMUdyWGYqU2QXH1oCQDg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=garage%20punk%20blink%20182&f=false blink 182 and sum-41" don't have the R&B-core like this group does. In the book "Punks: A Guide to an American Subculture" the author describes the sound of "blink-182, sum-41, and Good Charlotte" as punk-pop. Allmusic describes the sound as "follow in the same path as their first two, turning out 15 tracks of juvenile, adrenaline-fueled punk-pop.". Even the Rolling Stone article refers to the album as "the moment the trio focused and refined their pop punk sound". In general, the album has several references to it as being part of the punk-pop style, and only that one off one for garage punk, which would make it fail WP:UNDUE. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:20, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * That's fair. Agree. Dan56 (talk) 22:26, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Punk rock
Where is the source for Punk rock in the article? Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:39, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Total Guitar called it "a genuine modern punk classic.", while Billboard stated ""a collection of machine-gun-quick, energetic punk songs". So, it's cited twice. Punk is short for punk rock. Kokoro20 (talk) 01:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Song titles
I have posed questions about the article titles for two of this album's songs at their respective talk pages. Please see Talk:Dammit (Growing Up) and Talk:Josie (Everything's Gonna Be Fine) and comment if interested. Thank you. --IllaZilla (talk) 19:40, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

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Overall Flow
This page reads incredibly poorly. Several breaks for useless quotes, hearsay, the narrative in background is unnecessarily long and should be linked to the band's main page. The Touring section drags the story on vaguely, not simply getting to the point that their original drummer was an alcoholic and argumentative. Anyone up for the task of editing this down? Thanatossassin (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2021 (UTC)