Talk:Duffy (singer)/Archive 1

Aimee/Amy?
Clicking on random references that are cited, Duffy's birth name is spelt as 'Amy' rather than 'Aimee'. I was just curious as to what the official spelling of her first name is? londonsista | Prod  19:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

If you check out one of the pay sites that give access to the official Register of Births, ancestry.com for example, then it's Aime - however that might well be a transcription error. Aimee has always used Aimee, the Amy versions are wrong for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.195 (talk) 10:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * K, cheers for that! londonsista  | Prod  05:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I can confirm that the correct spelling is "Aimee", not Amie or Amy.

Unfortunately I couldn't find any source, but on a german television show (June, 10th; Viva Live) she seemed to be very surprised about her "name" in the internet. She said "Actually my name is Esmeralda. Don't trust the internet". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.173.125.77 (talk) 12:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

What about Aimée, as in the name of the album? Is there an accent on her name or not? -- pne (talk) 11:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I've corrected both her first name and middle name, and added the free birth index which proves it. She may have chosen to spell it differently, but she was born Aime Ann Duffy. Werdnawerdna (talk) 23:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, but when I go to that web site and enter Aimee Ann Duffy, birth year 1984, I don't get any hits. Same with Amie Ann Duffy. Aimee Duffy, birth year 1984, does display some results, but no Aime(e) Ann Duffy. Care to explain how your results can be checked? 78.43.126.220 (talk) 22:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

The birth index proves she was born Aime Ann Duffy. For some unknown reason, entering Aime Duffy won't bring it up, but typing Duffy in the surname box and Ann in the middle name box will bring up her name, as well as that of her twin Katy Ann. F W Nietzsche (talk) 12:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The birth index just proves that who ever transcribed it made a mistake. You'd have to go back to the original hard copy entry. Those transcribed indexes are full of mistakes.

Being compared to Dusty Springfield
About the recent added bit "a sound that has been compared to Dusty Springfield, although she sounds nothing like her." Being compared to Dusty Springfield by a verifiable source is OK. It only means someone observed a Dusty Springfield influence. You can think what you like! Though I did think Rockferry sounded like a Dusty song when I heard it just before.... —An Sealgair (talk) 10:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Date of birth
I changed the year of her date of birth to 1984. The only issue I seem to have with her birth date is that some sites seem to list it as June 1 while others seem to list it as June 23. Carface (talk) 07:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It's definately June 23rd —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jojojojo84 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't find any source for June 23rd exempt from sites which copied the WP article -- Wickie37 (talk) 13:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Rockferry
A few of the sentences in the Rockferry section lean on the side of promotional rather than informative - suggest a rewrite of the Vodafone gig, backing band details & forthcoming single info to concentrate on Duffy's achievements rather than future events. Katstevens (talk) 13:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Good point Comix2008 (talk) 02:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Rockferry music video director?
I would like to add this information to the song's related article and Duffy's discography article, but cannot find who the director was. Thanks. -- Underneath-it-All ([[User talk:Underneath-it-All|tal

Sounds like Amy Winehouse?
No. Duffy sounds like Duffy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.8.232 (talk) 18:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Confusion over new UK single
We seem to have two articles both saying different things about which song is the 4th UK single, one saying Serious, one Stepping Stone, can anybody clear this up? Breathe again (talk) 09:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Reads like a fanpage
The page has what reads to me as an excessive amount of detail on relatively minor parts of her life. It's sufficient to say, and source, that she's on tour. Every single city is not necessary, nor is a one-off interview about her stance on downloading. If she starts or joins a campaign, or makes a point of advocating, then it might be appropriate. WLU (talk) 14:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Touring should probably have its own section as it does in many other articles. Downloading is a major issue affecting the industry she works in and her opinion about it is article worthy. If you wait for her or anybody to join an organization supporting legalization of all downloading  you will most likely wait forever as most people just do that type of thing.  Making a public statement is as much advocacy as joining a campaign Edkollin (talk) 14:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But the assertion that she supported illegal downloading was sourced to an extremely short article (in a RS though), with maybe five two-sentence paragraphs. It's not like it's a major discussion or anything.  I'd wait until another interview supported it again; lots of celebrities say lots of things, but we don't know if it's a throw-away comment or a deeply-felt conviction.  At minimum I'd say it should not go in its own separate section (lots of stubby sections in the page), if you really feel strongly about replacing the info, perhaps in an appropriate place in the body?  The article really reads like it was written piecemeal, with sort sections, single-sentence paragraphs, etc.  A touring section might be a good idea, as right now the touring and festivals are spearated when they could easily and appropriately be linked together.  WLU (talk) 16:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I put all(hopefully) the touring information in a touring section. As for illegal downloading like you said we likely never know for sure how serious she is. That is true for most quotes in any article.. You could reasonable conclude that the lack of further comment means she does not have strong convictions on the topic and I can argue she was told to shut up by her label.  It is not our job to figure that out to do so is original research.  What made it article worthy to me was the subject matter. But I did take your suggestion and put the comment under endorsements. I really do not know if that is an improvement. The problem here is that she is a new artist thus many unrelated article worthy topics will have one or two sentences worth of article worthy material.


 * An area to look at is that each chart position has one or two sentences. Edkollin (talk) 21:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

007 film
Isn't there talk of Duffy singing the next Bond film's theme song? Or am I imagining things? St91 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC).

Tadaa... http://www.nme.com/news/duffy/38217 St91 (talk) 21:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

You weren't imagining things there was a lot of speculation that she was in the running to write the song but Alicia Keys and Jack White got the gig Edkollin (talk) 04:58, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I heard it today as well - Duffy would have been much better :) St91 (talk) 19:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

You mean 007 quamtum of solace?? --77.98.248.81 (talk) 11:05, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Comparisons with others: separate section
All the comparisons with Dusty Springfield,Lulu, New Amy Winehouse and discussions of her as part of a new retro soul movement or British Invasion along with Duffy's and other musician opinions of these matters are sprinkled all over the place. If there are no objections I will merge them all into a separate section in about a week. Edkollin (talk)
 * Done Edkollin (talk) 07:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Protection needed
This article should be protected as users only since there has been a lot of vandalism lately. Edkollin (talk) 07:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Soprano (?)
Accourding to kulturnews.de cited by amazon.de and now-on.at Duffy has the vocal type soprano (in German: "Sopran"). Or is she more mezzo-soprano? Are there other opinons (to cite)? --pistazienfresser (talk) 12:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Nationality(?)
Why are Leona Lewis/Estelle/Adele referred to as BRITISH in their introductions and Duffy as WELSH? What's the Wikipedia standard for this?


 * They could all be English, Duffy's Welsh and happily identifies as so in all her interviews. Rgds, --86.140.138.240 (talk) 13:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Section "Johnny Rotten incident"
Please rework this section to correct several mistakes in writing: the second and the third sentence seem to belong together and form just a single one. In the last couple of sentences there are some missing periods and there is one too much.195.212.29.171 (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Grammy nominations
Before an edit war erupts in the Awards and Nominations section twice editor(s) have changed her three nominations from "nominated" to TBA (To Be Announced). The Grammy Award website the we link to calls it "51ST ANNUAL GRAMMY AWARDS NOMINATION LIST". While TBA is technically correct there is no need to alter this Grammy Awards own websites description. Edkollin (talk) 21:13, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Mental health and Johnny Rotten incidents sections: Should they stay or go?
I think they should stay. This is a biography article not a musical career article. As for the Rotten incident Duffy said it as the worst thing to happen to her in 2008 so I would go with her judgment as to what is significant in her life. Edkollin (talk) 20:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * As long as it is well sourced (which I believe both of them are) then they should stay. Plus, as Edkollin says, this isn't just an article relating to her musical career, it is a BLP article charting her personal life too. As long as it isn't in violation of the BLP rules, I see no reason for it to be removed.  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 21:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I am deleting this section about Johnny Rotten as I don't feel it is appropriate on her Wikipedia page, as it is an allegation, rather than factual with evidence to support it. Feel free to add it back in if you feel inclined to do so. Aimie Paige... x 01:51, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Sales figures subsection
The Rockferry section is a hard read because it is in date order. I have deleted lines that contain sales figures that have since been updated. I propose breaking it down like this

Worldwide
Worldwide figures, Pan European Charts etc in date order

Great Britain
Date Order

United States
Date Order

Also in other articles online measures non Billboard figures such as ITunes downloads and polls online or otherwise have been challenged. I favor them as a measure of popularity among young people but that is a minority view most want cold hard sales figures only. Wikipedia does not oblige us to follow what other articles do necessarily. Edkollin (talk) 04:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Personally, I would first take the British figures (cause its the country where she was born/had first success), then the US and last but not least her worldwide sales.Reidlos (talk) 04:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Since were no objections I did it in the Reidos order. There still is work to be done. The whole this was #1 on 8 June style should be scraped. It should be like the U.S. section so and so peaked at number whatever. There is no information as to what Rockferry peaked at in the U.K. If it is possible the month a single or album peaked should be in the article. The Billboard Artist chart pages just gives the year. And there is uncited material Edkollin (talk) 09:21, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

"Johnny Rotten incident" discussion
The page has been fully protected due to edit warring between myself and Duncan John Murray over a YouTube source he was using to add extra content to this section. I don't believe that YouTube is a reliable source (and per Reliable source examples, it generally isn't considered to be one). This link shows a revision with Duncan John Murray's addition and source.

Can we now please reach some consensus as to whether this source is considered valid or not? [ジャム] [ t -  c  ] 09:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You can not use YouTube as a source due to copywrite issues. I don't necessarily agree with it but it is one of the most strictly and widely enforced Wikipedia rules. Edkollin (talk) 09:25, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

"Gossip" discussion
« The quote of Duffy concerning Soren Mounir is a personal point of view of the singer and is purely an attack to the reputation of Soren Mounir. The rules on Wikipedia are clear concerning this kind of subject : Scandal mongering or gossip. Articles about living people are required to meet an especially high standard, as they may otherwise be libellous or infringe the subjects' right to privacy. Articles should not be written purely to attack the reputation of another person. Please remove this sentence.» —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.207.12.120 (talk) 10:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you'll find that WP:NOTSCANDAL refers to BLPs being written by the community to disparage that person - it does not refer to well sourced comments made by that person against another one. If the comment was unsourced then it would be removed without question. However, it is sourced and until Duffy retracts her comments, I see no reason for it to be removed.  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 11:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Regarding the very particular purposes of the singer concerning Soren Mounir, I think that it is necessary to be careful and that one source is not enough. Besides, if Soren Mounir claims a right of reply of these purposes, it will be also necessary to publish it here then? this does not have sense. I my opinion I consider really that it is gossip... We should remove this sentence. Msipi (talk) 12:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC) Msipi
 * Thanks for bringing it to the talk page instead of having an edit war. The issue is not gossip but reliability. Gossip would be if she said “I hear he is a control freak”. This if reliable is her Point of View. Two issues here: if somebody publically says something once does it make it unreliable?. I think you need context here. If she said that immediately after a session with him, a good argument can be made it was short term frustration, and therefore unreliable.  This interview occurred several years after the fact. Also Duffy is not Johnny Rotten (or Lily Allen). Statements by her slamming people are not the norm. So I do not see any reason to doubt the reliability of her statement because it was said publically once. The other thing is sourcing. The statement was not made to the BBC or The Times. All agree that original reporting by tabloid type sources are unreliable. Many editors argue that anything written by non conventional or mainstream sources is inherently unreliable.  A minority of editors would say that since Duffy is the source not the non conventional medium it is reliable. I lean towered the latter but it depends on context. It is a judgment call.


 * Of course if Soren Mounir replies we must print it, just like we did with Rotten Edkollin (talk) 19:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * After reading the sentences about Soren Mounir I must admit that from all the sentences on the Duffy Biography page, those few words are totally out of context. One could fill-up this Biography with so many personal stuff and moods if we start like this… I am surprised by Wikipedia’s moral philosophy. I can only encourage one to add a comment to help clear up this sentence that has nothing to do with factual and professional information. I also encourage you to listen to the music Soren Mounir and Duffy wrote together under the name of Soulego; this is what counts and it’ll speak for itself. Michael —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.207.12.120 (talk) 14:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What exactly should be in a musicians biography article was briefly discussed in the Mental "Health and Johnny Rotten Incidents Sections: Should they stay or go?" section. But I totally agree with you that their Soulego work should be added to the article or even become a new bio article. If I get time I will look for reliable sourcing for that Edkollin (talk) 20:08, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Most reliable source is here - http://www.myspace.com/soulego


 * Myspace isn't a reliable source...  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 10:36, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The following links refer to numerous Websites and articles mentionning Soulego duet and listing their songs, including on Duffy's official Forum.


 * iamduffy.com
 * Real Radio Wales
 * Contact Music
 * Soulego bits
 * Duffy Biography on MusicMe
 * Duffy Singer Songwriter From Wales
 * Publispain.Com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.207.12.120 (talk) 10:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI Message boards are not reliable sources Edkollin (talk) 09:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

IMPORTANT - The link number "14." on Duffy's official Wikipedia Page ES Magazine 8 December 2008 related to the ES MAGAZINE libellous line about Soren Mounir is not a valid link; it has probably been removed. There's apparently no source and no reference that gives Wikipedia the right to publish this particular and contested quote about Soren Mounir on Duffy's Biography.

'''Please remove supposed ES Magazine quote "14." that is an attack to the reputation of Soren Mounir with no reliable source.'''

Michel Seria/FRANCE


 * It looks like the article has been deleted. However, Google still has a cached copy of it, so I've updated the link to point to that. 14 references other things too, so we can't just delete it.  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 10:58, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The article has been clearly deleted, consequently there is no more valid source concerning this sentence. "Google cache" is not a valid source. Please remove this sentence. Msipi - 11:25, 20 January 2009 (UTC).


 * The google cached link will break in a few weeks. Since the line is only attributed to her in one interview (which is no longer online), I wonder if it accurately reflects her long-term views of the experience. I've removed it. Gimmetrow 12:18, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand the furious energy of few people on wikipedia concerning this biography. Since the begging this sentence was clearly out of subject of the biography. I think we lost one the principal objective of a biography on wikipedia : Neutral point of view. We have to be very carefull when we report this kind of interview. We can't consider all the interview as a divine speech. We have to be pertinent. The sentence has to be removed. Msipi - 11:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.162.18.146 (talk)

It looks as if they was a plot against Mr Mounir here; quiet obviously. The question is why, what is the motivation? No other article in the world mentions such ramblings about producer Soren Mounir, this makes no sense but Wikipedia is clearly holding on to this negative and crispy "poor" gossip. Some sources say that Soren Mounir discovered singer Aimée Duffy when she was only 17, he produced and coached her; together they wrote almost 50 songs under the name of Soulego during more than one year, this has to be respected, this is simply a professional and a respectable fact. My respect is low. Dear Sir/Madam Wikipedia people I am so disapointed. Michael —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.207.12.120 (talk) 11:55, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * There is no plot here against him. It was merely a well referenced (at the time anyway) statement made by Duffy which had not been retracted or countered by Soren Mounir. Had there been other comments made about it, they would have been referenced like the Johnny Rotten incident.  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 12:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

 - IMPORTANT - THE LIBELLOUS SENTENSE ABOUT SOREN MOUNIR HAS BEEN DEFINITELY REMOVED! I guess that we made our job properly and that there is a justice on this earth; at least on Wikipedia.

Thanks you for removing the "Gossip" section of the discussion Board to complete the process and clear traces of those negatives ramblings. Michael, Soren Mounir fan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.207.12.120 (talk) 13:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I had a sneaking suspicion there was a conflict on interest here. This is a not a discussion board, so we don't remove topics once they are complete. I have reverted your vandalism as such and warned you. If you continue to delete it, you will be blocked from editing.  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 15:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, you were wrong on this matter and that is what counts isn't it? Vandalism is a strong word; I hope some investigators will do something to figure out what pushes Wikipedia people to be as mean as some subjects they're fighting that hard to keep in place! Have a nice day!

Subject is completed from the moment that sentence was removed, who says what here?

Producer in Switzerland
I found this in The Times profile of Duffy I am rewriting the section using this as a source and this information only. This is a much more reliable source then any previously discussed or used. I see no reason to go against the The Times judgment of what to include and what not to include. Edkollin (talk) 09:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * She wasted a year in Switzerland working with a producer whom she described as “an obsessive control freak who would pick on me for everything”.

I want to remind everybody about WP:GOODFAITH Edkollin (talk) 09:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * This situation is totally unverifiable. It is clear that the article of the Times is a quote of the ES Magazine or Wikipedia. There is no basis on an interview in this article. ES Magazine has withdrawn this article. For my part I consider it is not reasonable to publish this sentence again. It is clearly defamatory and not responsible to publish these kind of comments while some actions are in process. This article must stay neutral. I think that we have to find a consensus. I consider that this article is not a valid source because it was clearly a copy/paste of the ES magazine Article or Wikipedia. I propose to remove this sentence and wait that the situation become more clear: wait other sources, or wait a reply from the swiss producer. What do you think of that ? And I think we need help from other moderators. Msipi (talk) 14:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Msipi

You know that wikipedia is the source of many other websites and other medias and if we're not enough neutral, if we're not waiting valid and verifiable sources it can be very dangerous, we have to prevent this kind of circulation...Msipi (talk) 14:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Msipi


 * The Times is considered a reliable source. Whether or not they got this content from Wikipedia is not for us to judge. As such, this new source does NOT name the producer involved (it is possible to speculate which producer it is, but that is not for us to do). If you want to put in for a third opinion or request for comment, that is your decision.  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 14:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * My opinion, for this kind of comments one source is not enough. The article of ES MAGAZINE has disappeared, it is clearly a sign that there is a problem with this comment and that we should wait before to write it again. I think we should not participate to the circulation of defamatory comments... I don't understand the preparedness to publish that... Regarding the biography of Duffy it is secondary, or very subsidiary for the moment....Msipi (talk) 15:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Msipi
 * That the ES Article has disappeared is not necessarily a sign that there was a problem with that quote. Some links disappear after a certain time period. I have had that experience with raw Associated Press stories. If you need to use an Associated Press story you must use a newspaper cite that reprints the original AP article or the link will disappear. Assuming The Times got that quote from Wikipedia or ES Magazine is Original Research on our part and thus prohibited. If the Times is hack source then there is no such thing as a reliable source. I am not saying they do not make mistakes everybody does but the Times is as a reliable source as one could get. If you feel The Times is a hack source make an appeal so that Wikipedia considers it unreliable. I am not sure how one does that but if you feel that strongly about it you will figure it out


 * More editors opinions are always welcome I could not agree more, but in my experience at least most discussions involve a handful of editors.


 * Getting rid of hack journalism in other media goes above and beyond the call of duty. That is simply NOT our job.


 * Also I completely do not understand what the WP:BLP or slander issues are at this point since the producer is unnamed. Edkollin (talk) 19:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Other opinion concerning this subject. A singer or anybody says something...we write it... And you don't think that we must have some detachment ? To have some judgment ? I don't understand.... Here we write a biography, here we have to be neutral... If tomorrow a singer says some stupidities we have to write these stupidities ? In copying and diffusing these things we're clearly liable.... I think to be neutral and to stand back are a part of our job.... Msipi (talk) 13:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)Msipi


 * Why are we liable? We are (/were - if someone has changed the quote) reporting exactly what The Times said.  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 20:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I can not argue every case here. But stupidities said by people are in Wikipedia all the time. You are correct in we have to use some judgment and not print everything just to make it readable. But deciding what is stupid is NOT what we should be judgmental about, we have to judge what is notable. And in my opinion Duffy's point of view as to what happened during a whole year of her career is notable.


 * I am not a liability lawyer so if I am wrong correct me. I still do not understand what the liability is when no person is named. I have never heard of a Wikipedia editor being sued or Wikipedia paying copy write damages or bieng sued. Edkollin (talk) 01:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

As you can see on the article of the Time Online the quote has been deleted. Consequently I delete this quote here too because there is no more valid source. I found another source concerning Soren Mounir and Soulego here : http://www.downtown.co.uk/article.asp?id=903943. Msipi 08:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Msipi

As this sentence as been deleted. We have to delete it also here in the discussion. Regarding what happened in 1 month it is clear that we have to take care of the information that we reproduce in a biography. To take time could be relevant... 213.162.18.146 (talk) 10:40, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Msipi
 * It is weird that The Times updated the biography without changing the date on the biography or writing a correction which is common practice for the non tabloid press. Edkollin (talk) 09:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Um... why are we deleting / refactoring the comments made by other people? Just because the source has been deleted, it doesn't mean that a discussion about the source has been refactored or deleted.  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 09:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

C*** vs cunt (Rotten incident section)
You win. There has been an months long on and off edit war over this and since "c***" does not break any rules it and there seems to be a “no way no how determination” to prevent the word cunt to be in this section to edit war over this any further will break the WP:SNOWBALL rule.. You are correct in that changing a quoted "c***" to cunt is technically original research since I am implying the word cunt, that being said you are still wrong. This and every single Wikipedia article is not made up completely of 100% quotes therefore people paraphrase and thus by definition imply or take a educated guess as to meaning and thus technically do original research. Paraphrasing is done to shorten the length of articles and to clarify meaning which was my intent. What I do not understand is why this particular paraphrasing is so different then other cases that go by without objection? Edkollin (talk) 01:50, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I stepped on your toes, that just bugged me, I'm not sure why. This is just nitpicking here, but the reason I removed it was because he very well could have said "cock". It too probably would have been censored in a similar manner. I would have no objection to it, but why a wikilink to cunt would be needed anyway, I am unsure. I'm sure you're familiar with the policy Verifiability which states that verifiability is more important than truth. The sources states "c***", so that is exactly what should be included in the article, with no implications as to what word was really said, unless an uncensored source is found. Dukemmm (talk) 05:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that it is unlikely that Rotten called her a cock, but to decide which word he did call her would be OR. I think it is fine to leave it like that (c***) as we are quoting a source directly.  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 09:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I edited that section, too. When reporting about one person criticizing another, I tend to favor using quoted material rather than paraphrasing. Quotes show how the people involved commented on the incident. Obviously there are circumstances where paraphrasing is appropriate, but here the quotes seem to me to relate the incident better. Gimmetrow 00:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * As I understand it 'Rotten' has come out and apologised for calling her a cunt, therefore it should be quoted as cunt not c***. 84.67.12.84 (talk) 19:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source for this?  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 19:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Grammy Award winning
This has been going on for some time now. I think that instead of saying "she has won a grammy award and been nominated for two others" which sounds wrong, the article should read "duffy is a grammy award winning singer songwriter". Am I wrong Sebmcateer (talk) 08:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I've previously reverted to a version which cited the Grammy win, and my main concern is that claims like this should be cited. A secondary concern is that awards - while being fine in the lede - should not be in the very first sentence as it gives undue emphasis: "Duffy is a singer.... She has won a Grammy" being preferable to "Duffy is a Grammy-winning singer".  Cheers,  This flag once was red propagandadeeds 09:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

New Personal life section
I don’t like this. The first part says where she was born a topic already covered in The Early Life Section. The flower named for her is a direct result of her career and does not belong in a personal life section. The dealing with fame section also a result of her career. The Rotten incident maybe at best. I do not think Duffy needs a Personal Life section. In her adult life she has not gotten married, had a well publicized relationship, drug or legal problems. Her hormones are connected to her music and thus have been adequately covered there. Edkollin (talk) 10:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * well then what do you propose instead?
 * If you want to rename Early Life section to Personal Life that is fine by me but otherwise there is no need for it. A personal life section is needed if it is notable such as Lily Allen or Amy Winehouse. Since I last commented the section has been rewritten but it is still wrong. Her advertising career is just that, her career. Edkollin (talk) 08:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure the bit about the Duffydil is appropriate for personal life, does anyone else agree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luciefan (talk • contribs) 01:08, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Award win!
A winner at the 2009 Meteor Awards tonight! -- Candlewicke STundefined 02:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done Edkollin (talk) 03:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Ivor Novello Nominations
Duffy has received multiple nominations this year. Could someone please integrate them into the page? Sebmcateer (talk) 11:38, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see the article isn't protected - any reason you haven't added the nominations yourself? Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 11:52, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Done Edkollin (talk) 06:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Stay With Me Baby
Is it a new single? Or song? It just charted... --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 12:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC) WILL SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER? (not angry, I just wanted to grab some attention) --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Stay With Me Baby was a cover recorded for The Boat That Rocked and not an official release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luciefan (talk • contribs) 01:38, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Smoke Without Fire
Duffy does not appear as a lounge singer in the film An Education, the Barnes & Noble soundtrack review is just wrong. Beth Rowley played the part of the lounge singer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.36.101 (talk) 00:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed Reorginazation
Another editor did a major reorginazation of the article without warning or consensus. I reverted so we can discuss this. I have put the revised material in the collapsed box below so if consensus is reached it will be easy to copy back..

Duffy (born Aimée Ann Duffy on 23 June 1984) is a Welsh singer-songwriter. Her 2008 debut album Rockferry entered the UK Album Chart at number one. It was the best selling album in the United Kingdom in 2008 and has sold over 5.5 million copies worldwide. In 2009 she won three BRIT Awards, British Breakthrough, Best Female Solo and Best British Album. She also won a Grammy Award in the category Best Pop Vocal Album for Rockferry, and she was nominated for two other Grammy awards. Duffy was the first Welsh female to achieve a number one pop single in twenty-five years with her second single "Mercy". "Mercy" was the most played song on radio and in restaurants and bars in the United Kingdom in 2008.

Johnny Rotten incident
Duffy claimed that at the Mojo Awards show in June 2008, Sex Pistols lead singer John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten) heckled her. According to Duffy, when she went to make peace with him, "I walked past him, said 'Hi, you all right?', and next thing I was literally slammed against the wall, pinned by his arm at my throat. He called me a c***. The violence was awful". According to Lydon, "I was doing an interview and she came up behind me - I didn't see anything". He claimed she was a "young girl who made the mistake of trying to jump on my back". He said he hadn't realised who Duffy was, saying: "Oh, she got an award? I quite like her." Although she left upset, Duffy later blamed herself for what happened.

Dealing with fame
In September 2008, Duffy mentioned that she was "on the borderline of a nervous breakdown" because of the pressure that fame has brought her. She also said that she had considered becoming a recluse, but eventually decided against the idea for the sake of her fans. Although acknowledging that most people do mean well, she finds it "scary" when people recognize her in the street, and has been fearful of her image possibly changing the person she truly is.

"Duffydil" flower
In April 2009 Duffy had a special variant of Daffodil (a flower traditionally associated with Wales) named after her called the "Duffydil". She picked the variant she wanted to be named after her from a selection grown by the Really Welsh Trading Company. Duffy said of this, "The Duffydil, brilliant! Maybe now I can forgive myself for stealing them from people's gardens!".

Wealth
Duffy's estimated fortune of £4m placed her in 16th place in the 2009 Sunday Times listing of Great Britain's wealthiest musicians.

I like most of this actually. The only objection I have is the major trimming of of the amount of space for sales figures. The peak position of albums and major singles in various countries is widely used in music bio articles. I understand many will not want that type of detail that is why this information in a separate section Edkollin (talk) 08:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC).

Requested move
do not move (majority vote; & casting vote) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Duffy (singer) → Duffy — Duffy is an internationally-known singer and the only one on the Duffy disambiguation who could be considered the primary entry, so the singer should be moved to Duffy to reflect this and to avoid people going to the disambiguation page when they are looking for the article for the singer. Cjc13 (talk) 22:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Duffy → Duffy (disambiguation)


 * Oppose (as in above section on this page). I'm not convinced that there is a primary topic for this word. I believe that the disambiguation page should remain at Duffy. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I too am not convinced that this is a primary topic for the name. --DAJF (talk) 23:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. This is an extremely obvious primary topic in my opinion, with over 40,000 hits per month recently and well over 100,000/mo earlier this year. Duffy, ACT gets fewer than 200/mo with J.C. Duffy and the ship even fewer than that. Even the surname article is well under 1,000/mo. Not to mention the singer has far more incoming links. The dab page Duffy itself is getting 10-20,000 hits per month, and since nothing else on the dab page is getting even 1,000/mo, that's proof the vast majority of people landing on the dab page are looking for the singer and have to click through unnecessarily. Station1 (talk) 08:30, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose I do not see it as primary topic, since Duran Duran is internationally famous, and the ship is reasonably famous as well. 70.29.209.91 (talk) 05:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, Duran Duran are internationally famous but the singer Stephen Duffy left before they became famous. Cjc13 (talk) 14:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and the statistics quoted by Station1. To 70.29.209.91 - how does Duran Duran fit into this debate? 84.92.117.93 (talk) 11:58, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Surely Duffy, Australian Capital Territory, the suburb of a Australia's capital city, Canberra, is more notable and will have a longevity that will far surpass a pop singer's ephemeral fame? Popularity and notability are not the same thing. --Bermicourt (talk) 16:27, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It is only a suburb with a population of 2,942, so has little notability, even in Australia. Cjc13 (talk) 19:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose as everyone. ApprenticeFan  talk  contribs 03:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. The large number of incoming links, the traffic stats (the singer's article is within the top 2,500 most viewed on Wikipedia) and Google searches for "Duffy" in French, German and Japanese make it clear to me that the singer is the primary topic, and should have the primary page title. BencherliteTalk 19:45, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

her hit single mercy blow her charts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.248.21 (talk) 13:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Suggested change of article name
The category title is simply Category:Duffy so why not have the article name as Duffy ? At the moment Duffy is just a disambiguation page and this can easily be moved to Duffy (disambiguation). At the moment there is a discussion to change the category name to Category:Duffy (singer) at Cfd. Cjc13 (talk) 23:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think the singer is universally the primary meaning of Duffy. In Australia, it would surely be suburb of Canberra. To readers of the New Yorker, I have little doubt that most would think of J. C. Duffy when they hear the name. Elsewhere, I'm not convinced that there is a primary meaning. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * She has won a grammy for Best Pop Vocal Album and has sold over 6 million copies of her first album worldwide. See also the article List of awards and nominations received by Duffy, which includes awards from several different countries. Her track Mercy has been certified Platinum by the RIAA for sales of more than one million copies in the US. The suburb of Canberra has a population of 2,942, not a significant locale even in Australia. The cartoonist appears to use the name "J.C. Duffy" rather than "Duffy" and is little known outside of America and, judging by his wikipedia article, little known in America outside of New Yorker readers. Neither could claim primary meaning, even in Australia or America, unlike the singer who has has performed in many countries and has entries in 30 other Wikis. Cjc13 (talk) 12:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * My point is not that the town or the cartoonist is the primary meaning. It is that there is no primary meaning. That's why the article is disambiguated, and has been since it was created. When there is no primary meaning, the un-disambiguated term Duffy serves as a DAB page, which it does now. I'm sure fans of her music want to disagree, but unfortunately most of the world doesn't revolve around the Grammy Awards or record sales. Incidentally, this proposal won't likely get any hits if it's not formally proposed at WP:RM. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:15, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * At WP:RM it says "If the move you are suggesting is uncontroversial and technically possible, please feel free to move the page yourself," as I am sure you know. My point is that the singer is clearly better known then the examples mentioned by you and is well-known globally, which to my mind makes her the primary usage, as for instance it is similarly for Cher. Cjc13 (talk) 00:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Appears to have failed the "uncontroversial" leg. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want to be difficult you can be. I can see no one else objecting. What is your criteria for suggesting that the singer is not the primary entry? Cjc13 (talk) 12:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * How can anyone else object (or support it) if no one knows about it? That's why we post it at WP:RM. It's not an onerous step to take. The onus is on you to justify the move, not vice versa. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone do a redirection for Amy Duffy and Amie Duffy to link with this page. I am not sure how you do it... Cheers Aimie Aimie Paige... x 01:40, 9 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luciefan (talk • contribs)

Introducing Duffy in the same vein as Madonna, Prince, etc
I have been having some conversations with Wiki Admin about starting the Duffy entry with just the name Duffy, then her full birth name/DOB. Admin have no issue with it but suggested we reach an agreement among the pages regular users since there is no rule for or against this.

My reasoning for this is that this is allowed for artists such as Madonna, Cher, Prince, etc and they fall into the same category as Duffy. It also avoids any confusion as the public know her as Duffy, not Aimee (in the same vein as those other artists I have mentioned).

Any thoughts from our regular contributors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onlylovemusic (talk • contribs) 10:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I feel it's appropriate to refer to her as her birth name to avoid confusion. A lot of articles refer to her as Amy Duffy/Aimee Duffy/Amie Duffy, so it makes more sense to call her that, rather than Duffy. It would make sense to keep this page factual. Cheers. Aimie Paige... x 01:55, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Her birth name
Further to research, her birth name is not spelled Aimee. There was no Aimee Duffy registered in Wales in 1984, give or take 5 years. Searching further, her birth name is Amie Ann Duffy, who was born in June 1984, in Bangor and her mother's maiden name is Williams, which according to a magazine interview, is true. Luciefan (talk) 18:03, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you have a reliable and acceptable source for the name? Digging through the registry of births is not acceptable per WP:BLP, and comments in a forum are not reliable. Accordingly, MTV's article, stating her name as Aimée, remains the most valid source. —C.Fred (talk) 18:46, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Well it's acceptable enough to say that her birth name isn't spelt Aimee. There are many other articles who refer to her as Amy Anne as well, so that isn't very reliable. Luciefan (talk) 01:26, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

The commercial indexes to British births are just that, indexes. They are subject to error. She calls herself Aimee and her birth certificate may well read Aimee. You'd have to obtain a copy to confirm but relying on an index over the person's own word is daft. Probably a spelling mistake by a tired transcriber. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.35.28 (talk) 23:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Nationality
Is there a source to suggest Duffy prefers to consider herself Welsh rather than British? Otherwise according to the policy on this subject, the opening should be adjusted to 'British'. TheStig t · c  23:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I have taken your advice considering Duffy is half English on her dad's side, so I put British on the article and pointed out she was born in Wales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luciefan (talk • contribs) 01:10, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree, she is British. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LonelyPenguin (talk • contribs) 13:07, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, her interview on Scandinavian TV (on Skavlan). --31.205.114.102 (talk) 19:20, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Duffy‎
I was surprised to see there was not a List of songs recorded by Duffy‎. I redirected the page to here for now, but feel free to get a list going before me if you have time and interest. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:48, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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Birthplace
Gwynedd? Can you be a bit more specific e.g. Bangor (or whichever place it is)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpringsteenSessions (talk • contribs) 11:03, 27 March 2018 (UTC)