Talk:Duggan–Schwartz theorem

definition please

 * 4. The system can be manipulated by an optimist or pessimist.

Presumably "optimist" and "pessimist" here do not have their ordinary meaning. —Tamfang (talk) 00:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think "optimist" means "can make a preferred candidate win" and "pessimist" means "can make a non-preferred candidate lose in favor of one of a set of preferred candidates", but the jargon's a little hard to parse. If "anyone but Bush" voters can prevent Bush from winning, that's pessimistic manipulation; and if Gore voters can make Gore win, that's optimistic manipulation. I could be wrong. See page 4 (306) of www.geocities.jp/kiishimizu/pdf/yt-amc0605.pdf for the exact definition. 77.94.232.40 (talk) 08:17, 17 January 2012 (UTC)