Talk:Dunnottar Castle

Merger
this is the way to do it...dunnottar is the best spelling, but the superior content is in the present dunnotar article....i will clean up and edit after the merge...Anlace 06:15, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * also the existing pic on dunnottar should survive as it is the best image Anlace 06:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree the merge is a good idea, put the best article into the correctly spelled article. Thatcher131 04:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Peacock terms (and the opposite)
please explain in detail by line reference the tag or remove it at once...please post your reply here where it belongs not on my talk page... thank you Anlace 14:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)e
 * Hi. Just to expand on the reasons for the NPOV tag - this article uses terms which appear to me to be out of place in a encyclopaedia article e.g. magnificent, stunning, brutality, inhumane. Should be fairly easy to fix SP-KP 18:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * do you have another word other than "brutality" for incinerating hundreds of people who are imprisoned
 * i cant think of a more accurate word (i am neither english or scottish and have no real point of view here)Anlace 22:23, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * whats a better word for treatment of men, women and children prisoners of all ages including many sick and elderly, when the captors deprive them of food, crowd them into a space of no more than one square meter per person, and force them to live in fecal matter up to their ankles for many months? the word "inhumane" comes to mind to me
 * what word would you suggest kpsp? be sure to be poitically correct now. Anlace 22:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Improvement suggestions
Hi Anlace, can I make some suggestions: (i) take a look at WP:PEACOCK - where you'll learn about the justification for avoiding "peacock terms", which I think applies in this case, and how you can re-word them to better fit with Wikipedia recommended style; (ii) on a re-reading, I also noticed squalid, tragic, a couple of importants and a breathtaking, all of which I think require attention - I won't re-insert the POV check tag just yet, I'll give you a chance to sort these issues out first SP-KP 22:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, you could try putting this article up for peer review, which should help you to get a broader range of opinions on how the article could be improved. Let me know if you need help with doing that. SP-KP 22:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Link error
I believe the link to Andrew Murray goes to wrong family member, it should go to his grandson Sir Andrew Murray, 4. lord of Bothwell, 3. regent of Scotland (1297 - 1338). --85.165.99.39 16:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC) Finn Bjo
 * made change as you suggested. now its of course a red link Anlace 00:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The name "dun" being Pictish for fort
Not so. It is Gaeilge (Irish) for fort. Very, very little of the Pictish language is extant. Fergananim 14:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


 * broadened reference to gaelic. there is actually considerable debate regarding how to term word origins this far back...blends of irish gaelic, scottish gaelic and pictic Anlace 15:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that Gaelic was never a particularly important language in this area - I mean, it wasn't even widely spoken in the 15th century, let alone at the time of the Romans. Also, where did you get the information that the Roman camp was called Radex? The place is currently called Raedykes, which understandably could be a corruption of Radex, but I've never seen it spelled that way - and can't find any information to confirm it online. Have removed until it is more than conjecture. -taras 20:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

No Adverts!
''Janet Elaine Smith is married to Ivan Smith, the great-grandson of Carolyn (Keith) Smith, who was a direct descendent of Rev. James Keith, the first Congregational minister in Barnstable. Rev. James Keith was recruited by Rev. Increase Mather, when Keith was just a teenager and a graduate of Aberdeen University, which was founded by his ancestor, George Keith. Rev. Keith was a direct descendent of the Keiths of Inverugie Castle in Peterhead, Scotland, as well as (prior to that) the Keiths of Dunnottar Castle, where the Scottish regalia was hidden to protect it from being melted down by Oliver Cromwell in the British Civil War. Dunnottar Castle was the last stronghold to stand against the attacks of Cromwell.

Read more about Dunnotar in the historically accurate trilogy, Dunnotar, Marlybone, and Par for the Course, written by Janet Elaine Smith. This is blatantly an advert for this persons books! Unless reasonable justification for keeping this paragraph in can be presented, it should be deleted. Wikipedia is a place for learning, not somewhere to drum up sales!I cannot begin to convey how disappointed and angry I am that wikipedia, a non-profit, public SERVICE is being exploited in such a manner.If no response/reasonable objection is made within three days(to give a fair chance)deletion will occur. Very, Very disappointed.*killerpsychobunny* 17:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

In accordance with conversation with pages parent, this is gone. Ta much.*killerpsychobunny* 21:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Coordinate error
The following coordinate fixes are needed for —121.14.162.3 (talk) 16:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ❌. You haven't specified what you think is in error, and the coordinates currently in the article appear to be correct. If you still think that there is an error in the article, please post here again, using the geodata-check template and explaining what error you perceive. Deor (talk) 20:17, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 19:56, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

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Within the Kingdom of Ciricinn
Was a Dunottar (Dùn Fhoithear) a major fortress in the kingdom of Circinn? (Fordoun was recorded as being in Campo Girgin). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:B025:5400:C978:FE23:D86A:AD9B (talk) 01:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Lack of clarity
1. "Simpson contends that these defences are "without exception the strongest in Scotland"".

Simpson who? Let's add a first name and some title like historian, analyst or whoever he/she is/was.

2."The east range has a larder, brewhouse and bakery at ground level, with a suite of apartments for the Countess above".

Countess who? Let's add some information to clarify.

ICE77 (talk) 02:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

An Editing Suggestion
Hello! I noticed that with the first line in the history section, it says this:

A chapel at Dunnottar is said to have been founded by St Ninian in the 5th century,[4] although it is not clear when the site was first fortified, but in any case the legend is late and highly implausible.

The way this is said makes the idea displayed not entirely clear; there are two different ideas trying to be displayed here. It should be split into two sentences with the first one ending at "...first fortified." This second part, "...in any case the legend is late and highly implausible," makes the source seem flippant. It is good to state the situation how it is, that the source might not be wholly trustworthy, but the way this is said makes it seem opinionated.

Let me know if there's any questions! Kutekenzz (talk) 00:31, 2 March 2020 (UTC)