Talk:Dupont Circle

Fruit loop?
When I was in school in DC, (early, '90's) it was always called the "Fruit loop".--24.189.35.249 (talk) 01:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely it's called the Fruit Loop, just as 17th street is sometimes referred to as "Boys Town"

I've never heard Dupont Circle referred to as the "fruit loop." Is this common usage? – Joe Jarvis 13:58, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)


 * I had the same reaction: never heard that one. Bbpen 02:28, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Me neither. Can we find any independent confirmation on this?  If not, the reference should be deleted.  Postdlf 22:47, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Google seems to indicate that the phrase enjoyed wider usage at one time. Maybe we should change the reference to "once known as the Fruit Loop" or something. Bbpen 23:09, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * I noted that "fruit loop" is no longer common usage. – Joe Jarvis 15:33, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)


 * It definitely is common usage. Students at Georgetown refer to Dupont Circle as fruit loop all the time, especially because of the friday night tranny-fest each week. thames 18:12, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it could be amended to something a bit more in-between? thames 18:17, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * I've tried to moderate it. Comments/changes welcome. – Joe Jarvis 18:06, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)


 * I grew up in Nova in the 80s. "Fruit Loop" was pretty common. I haven't heard it since I moved back (in 2001.) --Browncat 02:37, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I live in DC and I hear it referred to as the Fruit Loop all the time. --Smooth Henry 09:45, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've lived in DC for 15 years and I have never heard it referred to as the "Fruit Loop". MrDarwin 19:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Should "Fruit Loop" go straight to DuPont Circle or perhaps have a disambiguation page? Many cities have an area know as the fruit loop. For instance, in San Diego it refers to the part of Balboa Park where gay men sun themselves.

I've lived within walking distance of DuPont circle (Georgetown) since 1990 and have never heard it referred to as Fruit Loop until reading this. Maybe this is a Georgetown University/GW-specific usage? Sometimes town/gown cultures have their own nicknames for places. IvyGold 02:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Notable stores
Do we want to open the can of worms of listing notable stores? I love Kramer as much as the next person, but why does it merit a special mention over many of the other notable stores? – Joe Jarvis 13:58, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

Kramer is a three-decade-old community hub, one of DC's few 24-hour places, and the very incarnation of the urban independent bookstore. Also, who can forget its footnote status in U.S. history, thanks to Kenneth Starr's attempt to subpoena Monica Lewinsky's book purchases? (Gee, maybe I'll start a Kramerbooks page.) :) Bbpen 02:28, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I didn't know about the Lewinsky connection, but I can definitely vouch for its community hub-status. If there is one store that everyone knows in Dupont, it's Kramerbooks. Postdlf 22:46, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Both Kramerbooks and Lambda Rising probably deserve mentions as well as their own pages. thames 18:13, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wow, that was fast! Naively unaware of this thread, I deleted the mentions of KramerBooks and Lambda Rising because--however virtuous--they seemed to me to be commercial, for-profit enterprises that would not normally be mentioned in an encyclopedia. "Manhattan is an island with lots of great stores and restaurants. Macy's and Zabars are the best." Whatever. I'm bowing out, chastened and reverted. BitQuirky 22:08, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Assassination of Orlando Letelier
Perhaps it should be noted that Orlando Letelier was assassinated in Dupont Circle? Certianly is historically significant.


 * Be bold and include it!  &mdash;thames 13:51, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree with Thames' encouragement. Go for it! &mdash;Joe Jarvis 17:01, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

He was assasinated in Sheridan Circle--Niro5 18:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Yup, definitely Sheridan Circle. I jog past the memorial there all the time. IvyGold 02:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikilink to Washington Club
I noticed that 64.12.117.5 removed the wikilink for Washington Club in this version. 64.12.117.5, did you have something in mind? Just curious. &mdash;Joe Jarvis 17:22, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Church of Scientology?
I see there's a bit of a revert war going on over the mention of the Church of Scientology. I'm ambivalent about it--I guess I'm inclined to include it, especially if it's their national headquarters, as I'm in favor of more information over less information, but if included (and it only merits the briefest of mentions) it should link to a Wikipedia article on Scientology, and not to the Scientology website. Note also that the building itself has only been occupied by the Church of Scientology for about 10 years or so--it's a former restaurant (and probably a private home before that), and not a "church" as most people are familiar with the word. MrDarwin 19:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought their national HQ was in NYC? I walked past it once in the mid 90's and saw creepy 40-somethings parading around in fake naval uniforms. Never seen the naval uniforms on the Dupont scienos. Willpwillp 11:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The article says the Scientology church at Dupont Circle was "the first such church established by the religion's founder, L. Ron Hubbard." Not only is there no source for that description, but the Church of Scientology article says the first Scientology church was formed in New Jersey. Redeagle688 03:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Dunno about the Church of Scientology article, but I've added a cite to the Dupont Circle church's Website, which makes the claim itself.PRRfan (talk) 03:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

High Heel Race
Does this really deserve its own section in this article? --AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 20:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure; it draws thousands of people to an annual event that is probably Dupont's largest. PRRfan (talk) 21:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Dupont's largest? I think Pride would have to be the largest by far. That's why I think if there is a section on the H.H. Race, then Pride should have a section as well.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, why not? Might make sense to have a section -- "Events" -- with HHR and Pride as subsections. PRRfan (talk) 22:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The reason for the section is simple, if not entirely rational. Somebody created Dupont Circle High Heel Race, it was nominated for AfD, and the consensus was to merge it into this article.


 * If you want to copy and edit part of Capital Pride (Washington) into this article, please do so. I live just off of 17th Street, and I think the Pride events on 17th draw bigger crowds than the High Heel Race. And that doesn't count the march through the Circle. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 22:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * entirely rational? *attitude alert* i'll add the pride section to the article.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 02:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone needs to include the Dupont-Kalorama Museum Walk Weekend as an annual event (http://www.dkmuseums.com/walk.html), every June. There's also the "Pride of Pets" event sponsored by www.petsdc.org. http://www.dupontcircle.biz/ sponsors the Taste of Dupont event and the Spring Fling and other stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.83.216.108 (talk) 22:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Article overhaul
Hi everyone. I've decided to take on editing this page to get it up to GA standards. Part of that effort will include removing any information that is not backed up with sources. I have already started the cleanup process, but anyone's help in editing the prose and finding reliable sources is certainly appreciated. If you have any ideas on what should be added, please share them here. Best, epicAdam (talk) 06:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for starting the GA process. I'm going to look over the history, architecture, and landmark sections to see where improvements can be made. I purchased this book (listed in the "Further reading" section) and it contains many historical facts and a ton of pictures (before 1923) that are free to use.


 * I created articles for the Clarence Moore House and the Thomas T. Gaff House. Someone else recently created the Perry Belmont House article. I'll work on other buildings (many of these are NRHPs), as well as memorials and local events that don't have an entry (all of these meet notability requirements). Feel free to create them as well because it will take me a long time to write all of these articles by myself. Most of these places should be mentioned somewhere in the article. Here is a list of Dupont Circle-related subjects that need an article: Boardman House aka Iraqi Embassy (pic), Friends Meeting House (NRHP) (pix - 1, 2, 3, 4), Codman-Davis House aka Thailand ambassdor's residence (NRHP), Walsh-McLean House aka Indonesian Embassy (NRHP) (pix - 1, 2), Fraser Mansion aka Founding Church of Scientology building (NRHP) (pix - 1, 2), L. Ron Hubbard House (pix - 1, 2), Christian Heurich Mansion aka Brewmaster's Castle (NRHP) (pix - 1, 2), Patterson House aka Washington Club (NRHP) (pix - 1, 2 3), Wadsworth House aka Sulgrave Club (NRHP) (pix - 1, 2), Strivers' Section Historic District (NRHP) (pix - 1, 2, 3), Foundry United Methodist Church (NRHP) (pix - 1, 2), Whittemore House aka Women's National Democratic Club (NRHP) (pix - 1, 2), Blaine Mansion, Apartment Building at 2225 N Street (NRHP) (pix - 1), Samuel M. Bryan House aka Church of the Savior (pix - 1), The National Italian American Foundation (pix - 1), Peruvian Chancery (pix - 1, 2) and many other embassies (search Commons for pix), Jewish Community Center (pix - 1), Church of the Holy City (pix - 1, 2), Old Highlands Apartment building aka Churchill Hotel (pix - 1), Old Fairfax Hotel aka the Westin Embassy Row (pix - 1), John Witherspoon statue (pix - 1, 2), Taras Shevchenko statue (pix - 1, 2), Mahatma Gandhi statue (pix - 1, 2), Henry Wadsworth Longfellow Memorial (NRHP) (pix - 1), George B. McClellan Memorial (pix - 1), Dupont Circle Farmers Market (pix - 1), Beadazzled (pix - 1), Circa at Dupont (pix - 1), Church of the Pilgrims (pix - 1, 2, 3), Anchorage Building (pix - 1), The Chastleton (pix - 1) and other apartment buildings by Harry Wardman, St Margaret's Episcopal Church (pix - 1), St. Thomas Episcopal Church (pix - 1), Journeymen Theater (pix - 1), Restaurant Nora, La Tomate (pix - 1), Ross Elementary School, Gallery 10 Ltd (pix - 1) and several other galleries in Dupont Circle, old Dupont Plaza Hotel aka Jurys Hotel (pix - 1), 17th Street (pix - search on Commons because there are many notable place on the entire length of the street), Annie's Paramount Steak House (pix - 1), Cobalt (pix - 1), Mr. P's (pix - 1), Apex aka Badlands (historical name is the Codman Carriage House and Stable, a NRHP) (pix - 1), Walsh Stable (NRHP) (pix - 1), Thomas Nelson Page House (NRHP) (pix - 1), and the Lothrop Mansion (NRHP) (pix - 1, 2). Note: some of the locations may fall outside of the technical boundaries of Dupont Circle, but they're considered to be in the Dupont Circle neighborhood.


 * The fountain at the circle could also warrant its own entry and a separate article for the Dupont Circle Historic District might be a good idea. The Anderson House is a NHL and needs a separate article. The Elliott Coues House, Administration Building, Carnegie Institution of Washington, General Federation of Women's Clubs Headquarters, Charlotte Forten Grimke House, Andrew Mellon Building, Robert Simpson Woodward House and the Charles Evans Hughes House are all NHLs and need to be mentioned in the article. Dumbarton Bridge, Cairo Apartment Building, Embassy Gulf Service Station, Cosmos Club, House of the Temple, and the Duncan Phillips House articles have been written and should be mentioned as well (if they're not already).


 * This website gives some historical background of the Dupont Circle Historic District. This one mentions buildings in the Dupont area of the Massachusetts Avenue Historic District and this site mentions buildings on 16th Street.  APK  PRAISE JEEBUS  03:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm also willing to help, especially finding sources. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 04:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Great. I guess a separate article for the historic district would be unnecessary. Other cities have separate articles for NRHP districts (ex from back home: Depot Historic District, East Raleigh-South Park Historic District, & Moore Square Historic District) but since this article is specifically about the Dupont neighborhood it covers the info already. In regards to the fountain, I think it meet notability requirements. It was designed by a well-known sculptor and architect in 1921 (Daniel Chester French & Henry Bacon) and the following sources could be used: NYT, NPS, WPost, Book, Book, Book, Book, Book - detailed description, and a detailed history is given in the Dupont Circle book. Side note: This is a great photo by a local that could be useful for the article. You can search through his 11,000+ pictures that are all licensed under Creative Commons. I've used many of his pictures for WP articles. Here are additional creative commons photos of the fountain (mine is the first one).  APK  PRAISE JEEBUS  14:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I forgot to mention above about this convenient tool for creating NRHP articles. It provides the infobox, refs, etc. The article mentions the Alice Pike Barney Studio (Embassy of Latvia). The embassy's website says it's a historic landmark, but I've searched the NPS database and it's not listed. Should the house be mentioned in the article because it's west of Sheridan Circle? I didn't include buildings that far from Dupont in the list of places that need articles and am wondering what everyone else thinks we should consider "in Dupont".  APK  PRAISE JEEBUS  15:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Article move
It would have been nice to open the article move up for discussion. I, for one, would oppose it. There is no reason why Dupont Circle shouldn't be at the primary usage of the name, in my opinion, and simply makes things more confusing for readers. I propose moving the article back to the primary usage. Best, epicAdam(talk) 19:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There's no need to specify the location of the neighborhood in Washington; any other uses are secondary. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 03:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Historical images
Under the history section, does anyone think an old photo should be included? I uploaded this picture, although there are several other historical photos available online. If it's added, one of the other three photos should be moved to avoid clutter. But I'm not sure where it would fit.  APK  I got your crazy  18:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I prefer not including both the map and the aerial image. I may be making new neighborhood maps that show detail, but also show the location within the city.  Here is one for Dupont Circle. With a new map, I would move one of the images to the infobox or put the map in the infobox. --Aude (talk) 19:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Kudos on the map. Great work. So you think adding your image to the infobox and removing the aerial & current maps is cool? If so, I'll replace the old map with the Blaine photo.  APK  I got your crazy  19:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The Blaine Mansion image is definitely a good addition. I don't have a preference, regarding what goes in the infobox. --Aude (talk) 19:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I was bold and replaced them. Although the image caption I added might need some work.  APK  I got your crazy  20:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Boundaries
Several historical buildings located in Sheridan-Kalorama are mentioned in this article. The boundary between Dupont and SK is Florida Avenue (example: Cosmos Club = Dupont; Embassy of Estonia = SK). I didn't know this until researching property on dc.gov and reading about the Sheridan-Kalorama Historic District. Anywho, I'll go ahead and remove Christian Hauge House, Joseph Beale House, Charles Evans Hughes House, Friends Meeting House, Codman-Davis House, Barney Studio House, Textile Museum, Woodrow Wilson House, and Sheridan Circle from the article. I doubt anyone cares, but in case someone wanted to know why I took them out...well, now you know. (:>p)  APK   thinks he's ready for his closeup  17:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I created a list of Dupont-related topics, in case you guys and gals want to create/expand/improve some articles.  APK  thinks he's ready for his closeup  02:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Category confusion
APK be confused. I've always wondered when an article's title is also a category (i.e. Category:Dupont Circle), does that mean only the parent category belongs on the main article? I moved all the categories from this article, but now I'm not so sure it was the correct thing to do. Can someone offer an opinion, por favor? APK whisper in my ear  09:04, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

A map created for this article
See File:DC Neighborhoods - Dupont Circle.svg. I'll leave it to y'all to figure out where it best belongs in the article. harej 05:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

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'Dupont Circle' as synecdoche
An anon asserted that Dupont Circle "may be used as a synecdoche" for its embassies and think tanks. I tagged it "citation needed," and the anon responded with a citation that did not back up the assertion. So I have removed the text pending relevant citations. PRRfan (talk) 04:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's moreso one of those things that need to be disproved rather than proved. The Brookings blog post that was cited inferred what was asserted at least twice.72.174.131.123 (talk) 13:39, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but that's not how Wikipedia works. You want to add some text, you need to cite reliable sources that back it up. (Also, once an edit has been reverted and a discussion begun, it's customary to refrain from editing the relevant passage until editors have come to a consensus.) PRRfan (talk) 02:55, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with @PRRfan - you need a reliable source that explicitly states the fact being added. Blackandyellow412 (talk) 14:17, 23 January 2023 (UTC)