Talk:Durrani

WHAT NO MENTION OF PAKISTAN !!!
There are more ethnic Pashtuns in Pakistan than Afghanistan. I am talking about actual Pashtuns who have Pashto as their first language. Plus, there are tons of Durranis in Pakistan in every walk of life.

Name a few: - Hayatullah Khan Durrani (Mountaineer), Mahmud Ali Durrani (Pak Army), Asad Durrani (Pak Army), Akram Khan Durrani (Pak Politician), Mohammad Anwar Khan Durrani (Pak Politician), Tehmina Durrani (Social Novelist).

Completely biased article written by Indians in the favor of Afghanistan.

Most Indians don't know anything about Afghanistan so there is your farce theory. And language is not a good basis to identify ethnicity. For example Peshawar is predominantly Pashto speaking city yet only 41% of the population is Pashtun, but technically speaking, there are more ethnic Pashtuns in Afghanistan. 174.114.86.200 (talk) 15:55, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

"The Durranis were definatly Hindus b4, but not all pashtuns were hindu
Infact there are many hindus in India with the surname durrani and also some spelled like dhurani.

Durranis are decendents from hindu mohyals, who were brahmins and used to reside in present day kandahar.In ancient times it was called gandara. South-eastern afghanistan was predominantly hindu/buddhist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.189.171 (talk) 23:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No they were not, you have no reference for this nor reference for Durrani origins (as you assume they originate in South East Afghanistan), furthermore "Durrani" is a very recent development and they were historically, before Ahmad Shah Abdali, known as "Abdali" which seems to derive from "Hephthali" an Iranic peoples (hence unlikely they were Hindus before). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scythian Saka (talk • contribs) 17:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

"The Durranis, like most other Pashtuns, are Hindus" ?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?
What the hell is this ? Is some tajik editing this page or what ? Seriously, change it NOW. Where is the source that says that pashtuns are hindus ? :S

the theory of certain pashtun tribes being once part of the lost tribes of isreal is nothing but a theory, and giving it a substantial amount of focus and also without the viewpoints of other theories is ridiculous, blue eyes is a dominant gene in my family, and as i am an alakozai, and my mother being a popalzai, and for centuries my family havnet married out of pashtuns, i dont understand, and beleive it is utter crap that the theory of the "lost tribes" is true..and if you decided to look at the majority of durrani pashtuns and their features..it is obvious we have no phenotype characteristics that are even slightly similar to that of the people occupying isreal at that time!!. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lostinmylife (talk • contribs) 21:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Is this a joke? First of all, the original question didn't even mention "Lost Tribes". You pulled that out of nowhere. Second, what is this silly "I have blue eyes" nonsense when you are appealed to provide sources for Durranis being originally Hindu. The Indian Aryan theory has been discredited since the Nazi's fell in World War II.

CITE YOUR CLAIMS WITH REFERENCES OR DELETE THEM. END OF STORY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiblizaman (talk • contribs) 23:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Durranis were Hindus claim deleted pending REFERENCES
Until you can provide references to substantiate that the Sadozai were EVER Hindus, I am deleting anything suggesting this.

DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT RE-ADD IT UNLESS YOU HAVE A SOURCE SUPPORTING IT.

In the complete absence of ANY evidence of this, I am strongly led to believe this was actually written with ill-intent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiblizaman (talk • contribs) 23:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Shiblizaman, stop writing in capitals. People can read your comments just as well when they are in lower case, and writing in capitals just puts peoples backs up, and then they won't read what you have written. SGGH ping! 21:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Durranis
Pashtuns are decendents from all different religions. Hindus and Buddhists occupied 50 % of present day afghanistan. Durranis are decendents of Hindu Mohyols. Its not about comparing features, because the mohyols were an aryan tribe.

Rest of the pashtuns are decendents form jews and zoroastrians. Thats why you have some many different looking pashtuns. Pashtun history starts from when they became Muslim. Before that they are not aware of their history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.219.248 (talk) 11:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

What BS please stop! They were not Hindus nor Jewish or any of that crap, they were most likely Buddhist since that was the predominant religion of Afghanistan back then. And you have to provide a SOURCE for your indian mohyol claim otherwise it will be dismissed. And Pashtun history pre-dates Islam. 174.114.86.200 (talk) 15:51, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Are you trolling or what? There is NO evidence for your claim that Durrani's are descendants of this fictional "Hindu Mohyals" or that the rest of the remaining Pashtuns are descendants of Jews. The word "Durrani" was only invented in the 17th century by Ahmad Shah Durrani to rename the Abdali tribe even they are still refereed by their historical name Abdali by many Afghans. You also may need to pick up a history book or read an article one in while because Pashtuns history pre-dates Islam and starts with the Aryans like Bactrians and Pactyans. Akmal94 (talk) 09:30, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Sadozai
It is mentioned in this article that durranis were earlier called as Sadozai and then Abdalis.

I think, Sadozai is a tribe of Popalzai group of Abdalis and not the ancient name.--Vssun (talk) 08:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * See the first para in this link --Vssun (talk) 08:36, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

No Duranis in Pakistan!
As a matter of fact there are no Duranis living in Pakistan. The Pashtun nation comes under two categories, Durannis and Ghaljais. Duranis were all living in Southern parts of Afghanistan which was called Loy Kandahar which includes Helmand, Kandahar, Uruzgan, Zabul, and Farah.

Duranis were relocated during the era of Durani Dynasty closer to the capital of the empire and the Ghaljais who were the opponent of the empire were driven out to rural and remote areas such as Waziristan and queta and northern Afghanistan cities such as Kunduz, Baghlan, Balkh, Takhar etc to keep them away from creating problem for the government. There were many uprisings organized by Ghaljais against Durani empire from areas what is called today Pakistan after Ahmad Shah Baba passed away. Taliban's leader's root can be traced to Ghaljais who received infantry support from waziris when they marched to Kabul. It was the history repeating itself as they cliam Afghanistan was founded by them (Mirwais Hotak who was a Ghaljai and founded modern day Afghanistan and the power was shifted to Durannis when Ahmad Shah Durani became the king).

There are thousands of Pakistanis that call themselves Ghori, Ghaznawi, Balkhi and Durani, why they do it should be answered by them but that doesn't mean they actually belong to Ghor or Balkh or Ghazna or come from Durani tribe.

Pakistanis should get the fact right and stop stealing Afghans culture, names and history and find something that suits them as per their history. Those Pakistanis that call themselves Durannis has been the worst enemies of Pashtun nation, as puppet of isi they have paved the way for killing, torture and defaming of Pashtuns, example is asad durani.

Pakistanis are not part of Afghanistan so they shouldn't use things that belong to Afghanistan. As far as population of Pashtuns in Pakistan is concerned, I have a question to ask. How many Pashtu TV channels do you find in whole Pakistan? How many newspapers in Pashtu do you find in Pakistan? Do you guys teach your kids Pashtu in Schools? just wait a decade then we see how many Pakistanis can speak Pashtu.

Za la Khaira! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.210.145 (talk) 03:59, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Other then a borderline emotional rant, what was the point of your comment? What you believe here is NOT important since your comment does not mention anyway to make this article better. Not only that but are you ok? There are tons of Pashtun tribes like Durrani in Pakistan who are mostly settled in Baluchistan. Not only that but Quetta was also part of Loy Kandahar. Akmal94 (talk) 09:33, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Durrani population Afghanistan
This source mentions 1996. " 1996, approximately 40 percent of Afghans were Pashtun, 11.4 of whom are of the Durrani tribal group" Doug Weller  talk 10:53, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Don't confuse it with Durrani term
This page is only an introduction to Ahmed Shah Durrani Royal line. Please, don't take Durrani as a racial term as other tribal groups. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 14:42, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No, it has always been about a tribe or confederation. Doug Weller  talk 16:48, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Doug Weller but this is what a person feels like as if more and more people are trying to add themselves to the Durrani royal line. If it's about confederation of tribes it would be more clear if it's mentioned. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 17:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

If you just read the statement against citation 4 this is where the whole confederation gets royal. Thanks for help and response anyway. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 17:11, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Problematic source
The following book is not traceable at major catalogues, e.g. WorldCat and the British Library, and I can't find an ISBN for it. Does it really exist? I have removed the claims in the article which are based on this source:

Ghulam Rasul Haider The Pashtuns- A monograph on tribal claims of their origins. Peshawar, University of Peshawar Press, 1988 — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrankP (talk • contribs)


 * And I can't find it being used in reliable sources, so removing it makes sense. Note that User:Azmarai76 is simply wrong as the article has been about the tribe or confederation since its creation in 2005. Doug Weller  talk 16:47, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Durrani Empire
Well it's good if it is but seems like a whole bunch is trying to stick to the royal dynasty Durrani ... it should have little more clarity if it's about Durranis royal line or the whole durrani confederation??? Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 17:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Doug Weller: just see statement against citation 4 it's bit confusing. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 17:13, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

"They were known in the past as Abdalis, from approximately the 7th century until the mid-18th century when Ahmad Shah Durrani was chosen as the new Emir and the Durrani Empire was established.[4] One of Ahmad Shah's first acts as Emir was to adopt the title padshah durr-i durran ('King, "pearl of the age").[5] He united the Pashtun tribes following a loya jirga in western Kandahar and changed his own name from Ahmad Shah Abdali to Ahmad Shah Durrani. Since that period, the kings of Afghanistan have been of Durrani extraction."

This is how it reads like. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 18:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@ Dough Weller I left the confusing statement with tags again for your convenience just in case you want to fix it by rephrasing or deletion. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 18:21, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * What can I say? Editors have gotten confused or had their own agenda. But I don't have time to fix all this. Doug Weller  talk 18:58, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

"The Bor/Abdali Tareens came to be known as[verification needed]'Durranis' after Ahmad Shah Abdali became Emir of Afghanistan, and gradually this term superseded their original name"

Have a look at this one also Azmarai76 (talk) 19:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi Azmarai76, I made a new section for this part of the discussion because it seems quite separate from the question of the unreliable source I identified above. I'd like to know more about the problem you are raising, because the Durrani Empire seems well-attested I think. Could you say what the problem is in the way it is represented in this article? Thanks FrankP (talk) 20:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Durrani
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Durrani's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Engels": From Afghanistan:  From Ahmad Shah Durrani:  From History of Afghanistan:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:48, 7 June 2020 (UTC)