Talk:Dusk and Her Embrace

Copies of this album sold
I don't think this album has sold half a million copies. Are there any reliable sources on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.4.198 (talk) 22:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Duskandh2.jpg
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Variant covers
Both of these have the correct fair use rationales, and both are mentioned in the actual article, meaning that they're not simply included for decoration. They do not, as far as I can see, violate Wikipedia's non-free content criteria, and their omission is detrimental to the page, since it means significant visual information is missing. They WERE in violation of the thumbnail rule however, so have now been added to the box. If you disagree with this, Cannibaloki, please explain.

Er... and I can't find the tildes on my new keyboard... User: Cardinal Wurzel, 17/5/09, 15:51 GMT.


 * Very simple, acording with Non-free content criteria: Minimal usage. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information. I do not need all the covers of several different versions which this album was released.--  C  anniba loki  18:06, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I actually can read. I just don't agree with your interpretation of the rules. Mentioning that there was a special edition that came in a coffin, and then illustrating that, doesn't seem to me to contravene the guidelines. The normal cover doesn't convey equivalent information, since you can't infer from it what the coffin packaging looked like. But whatever, if you care that strongly, do what you like. I'm not going to get in an edit war about it. Just out of interest, do you actually contribute to articles or just police them randomly? I find that really fascinating. I'm sure there's a PhD in the psychology of Wikipedians. :-) User: Cardinal Wurzel, 21/5/09, 19:39 GMT.
 * You're right, [This does not mean that you are 100% right.] I will not bother you more with that image stuff.--  C  anniba loki  06:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 29 June 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. No opposition after relisting. SST flyer  12:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Some prior discussion moved to /Archive 1. SST flyer  12:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Dusk... and Her Embrace → Dusk and Her Embrace – I'm opening this on behalf of, who had requested a page move to Dusk and Her Embrace, which currently serves as a redirect, with the justification "Both MusicBrainz and Discogs treat this album as Dusk and Her Embrace, and Dusk... and Her Embrace is not currently supported by any references". For some reason Wikipedia isn't allowing me to post this with my original post, so I'll make a quick post and then add my response afterwards. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:09, 29 June 2016 (UTC) --Relisting.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   10:54, 7 July 2016 (UTC) --   Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   10:54, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Here's my original post:
 * I declined this since the CoF website seems to refer to the album with ellipses, at least with the most recent release, Original Sin, and there's evidence of the album being sold under Dusk... per this Amazon listing. Metal Injection also refers to the 1996 album using ellipses.
 * The biggest argument in favor of the move is that Dusk and Her Embrace seems to be the way that the album is commonly titled by most outlets. (WP:COMMONNAME) That the cover itself generally lacks the title (its first release had no title on the cover from what I can see here) and there are so many different versions of it out there (some with the ellipses, some without, some styling the title as Dusk & Her Embrace, etc).
 * Why I'm opening this is because I'd like to have some sort of consensus prior to this move, just in case it gets questioned in the future with some of the same stuff that I pulled up. That way it'd be safe from any other potential moves, especially since the cover art for the 2016 version seems to include the ellipses. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:10, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't have any particular opinion on this either way, it's just that there is evidence of this being the title and perhaps the original title style and I'd like to have some sort of consensus just to prevent any potential future moves from the title sans ellipses. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:11, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi guys. Regarding the cover, the title when you're holding the physical CD is to the side under the plastic of the CD tray, and does include the ellipses (not a great photo - but see here http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/M6kAAOSwc1FXaHtn/s-l225.jpg). They're also on the black limited edition, of which there's a picture on the page. But they're not on the spine, just to be awkward! Cheers - hope that vaguely helps. Annoyingly I can't check The Gospel of Filth at the moment because I've just moved house and it's in a box in storage. That was where the definitive answer on V Empire vs Vempire came from. Cardinal Wurzel (talk) 11:18, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That's actually really helpful! Per WorldCat there aren't any libraries near me that hold the book and there's no Google Books view for it either. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:14, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


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