Talk:Dusty Springfield/Archive 2

Clarification Question re WMCA Sure Shot-Book refs
Not quite sure what you're needing clarified here--is it the term WMCA used for their records new to their playlist that seemed to be future hits? If so, every music station had their own special terms for them; "Sure Shot" was the WMCA one.

http://www.radiotimeline.com/survey6b.htm

Here you see a survey from WLS, Chicago from 1971, who was using the term "Hit Parade Bound" for records classified like that.

http://www.radiotimeline.com/survey3b.htm

In 1967, their rival, WCFL, was using the phrase "Chicago Premiers" and "Action Ten"-

http://www.radiotimeline.com/survey3c.htm

By 1970, WCFL changed their terminology to "Hit Bound", so just because a station had a slogan or phrase for this type of record doesn't mean they stayed with it.

http://www.radiotimeline.com/survey4.htm

KHJ, Los Angeles, 1963-their term was "Pick Hit" for the then-new Ray Charles record.

http://www.radiotimeline.com/survey10b.htm

Leaving you some book refs to take a look at:

http://books.google.com/books?id=u2FYqExFagsC&pg=PA157&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=s8p3TInDDIumnQeFiqWdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CE4Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Becoming almost famous: my back pages in music, writing, and life By Ben Fong-Torres

http://books.google.com/books?id=eD-Vs4efgbcC&pg=PA111&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=r9V3TKe2BJGOnwf3r5H4AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

All of Me By Anne Murray, Michael Posner

http://books.google.com/books?id=xkOx0VS6J_IC&printsec=frontcover&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=r9V3TKe2BJGOnwf3r5H4AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Dusty in Memphis By Warren Zanes

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bgn9SGmA4dkC&pg=PA1060&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=r9V3TKe2BJGOnwf3r5H4AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

All music guide to rock: the definitive guide to rock, pop, and soul By Vladimir Bogdanov, Chris Woodstra, Stephen Thomas Erlewine

http://books.google.com/books?id=M_WYoRHmwJEC&pg=PA365&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=r9V3TKe2BJGOnwf3r5H4AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CF8Q6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Rock albums of the '70s: a critical guide By Robert Christgau

http://books.google.com/books?id=o552g5xRRiwC&pg=PA640&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=JNd3TKmuHoiengfewrCdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

All music guide to soul: the definitive guide to R&B and soul By Vladimir Bogdanov, Chris Woodstra, Stephen Thomas Erlewine

http://books.google.com/books?id=J-Pim7dBEHEC&pg=PA4&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=JNd3TKmuHoiengfewrCdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBTgU#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

CMJ New Music Report Mar 22, 1999

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ogux2DAvNU0C&pg=PA151&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=JNd3TKmuHoiengfewrCdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBjgU#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

SPIN Nov 1997

http://books.google.com/books?id=xR7MdpuSlAEC&pg=PT357&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=JNd3TKmuHoiengfewrCdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCDgU#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

All music guide: the definitive guide to popular music By Vladimir Bogdanov, Chris Woodstra, Stephen Thomas Erlewine

http://books.google.com/books?id=mEIfDZtsVyAC&pg=PA172&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwADge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Billboard's hottest hot 100 hits By Fred Bronson

http://books.google.com/books?id=TKJU6CegkogC&pg=PA101&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC8Q6AEwATge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Burt Bacharach, song by song: the ultimate Burt Bacharach reference for fans ... By Serene Dominic

http://books.google.com/books?id=VSQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT94&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBDge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Billboard Jul 15, 1978-Ad for Give Me The Night

http://books.google.com/books?id=KBo8RQLpwtUC&pg=PA60&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBjge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Randy Newman's American Dreams By Kevin Courrier

http://books.google.com/books?id=ejjQUZr2iPcC&pg=PA497&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCDge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Hit singles: top 20 charts from 1954 to the present day By Dave McAleer

http://books.google.com/books?id=78A0N_d0kXsC&pg=PA344&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBzge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

All Music Book of Hit Albums: The Top 10 U.S. and U.K. Album Charts from ... By Dave McAleer

http://books.google.com/books?id=KW9lj9mL4d0C&pg=PA66&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=W9l3TN6HNMfAnAfkv7WXCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBDgo#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

A whore just like the rest: the music writings of Richard Meltzer By Richard Meltzer

This has an interesting fact in it---"Did you know that Dusty Springfield was a regular on the British Hopalong Cassidy series as a young teen? Well, it's true."

http://books.google.com/books?id=IcFBLtl7sq8C&pg=PA303&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=W9l3TN6HNMfAnAfkv7WXCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAjgo#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Please please me: sixties British pop, inside out By Gordon Thompson

HTH!

We hope (talk) 15:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Irish grandfather
I was trying to track down something definite regarding Springfield's middle name of Isobel/Isabel - I looked up the birth records and got as far as this, which at least gave her mother's maiden name of Ryle. Looking up records of Catherine Ryle in Kerry, I came upon this interesting tit-bit. One of the books I have gives the family background as "journalists", and this source builds on that by saying that Springfield's grandfather was editor of the Irish Independent and Evening Herald. That's fairly significant material worth mentioning. The source is The Munster Express, so it is a Reliable Source, though this information comes in an opinion column, and gives incorrect information about Springfield's mother's name (says Mary O'Brien). The mother's name may be a slip or a typo, and the piece may be otherwise reliable, though I'd like a second source giving the same information. Anyone know of a source? Or anyone care to research into it?  SilkTork  *YES! 13:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

http://www.munster-express.ie/opinion/tales-of-the-tellurians/merger-of-tipperary-and-limerick-its/

Isabel/Isobel
Sources are fairly equally divided between the two. I cannot track down an image of the certificate, but I assume that the handwriting is not clear, and can be read as either Isabel or Isobel. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be sources talking about this discrepancy. I don't think we can decide to go for one form or another as both are used a lot, so both need to be presented in the lead with a note explaining the situation.

This matter, and the above are not GA matters, so I have placed them on the general talkpage.  SilkTork  *YES! 13:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you show in which form you suggest to present both of the name forms? --Jaan Pärn (talk) 14:22, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've done it as Isabel/Isobel - I suppose it could be done as Isa/obel or Is[a/o]bel, though that's not as clear.  SilkTork  *YES! 18:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

NME Readers' Poll
Springfield got most votes in the Female Singer category from 1965 to 1967 and again in 1969. She got most votes in the British/UK Female Singer category (a more limited category) from 1964 to 1966. I wonder what's the best way of wording that? And if the precise detail of the categories and dates are appropriate for the lead, and might be better placed in the main body - especially as the NME poll placings are evidence of popularity, and we already have a very strong statement about that in the first paragraph: "at her peak was one of the most successful British female performers". The NME lists are not used in many articles as they are not critical awards - Cliff Richard does use them - though in the Awards section rather than the lead. And there is some uncertainty over what the names of the categories are. I'm not sure the categories were "Top British Female Singer" - I recall they sometimes used the word Best, and later got into Sexiest, Most Wonderful, God Given and other daft titles, though often it was just Guitar, Vocalist, Band, etc. Be good to have a source other than pop poll.  SilkTork  *YES! 18:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * This is interesting as it points out that Springfield was the first British female singer to get most votes in the international section (previously it had been Doris Day, Connie Francis or Brenda Lee). I wonder if we can get a print source for that?  SilkTork  *YES! 21:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I've looked at the three books I have, and taken their summary approach for the lead, though have gone into a little more detail in a new Awards sub-section.  SilkTork  *YES! 21:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Elton John's comment
"I think she is the greatest white singer that there ever has been."

I think this implies blacks are superior at singing, I take offense to racist tone should be removed imo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.106.16.53 (talk) 23:44, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * While I think your comment does make a relevant point, you need to look at the statement in the context it is presented in the article. This a direct quote from Elton John's statement on her acceptance to the Rock'n'roll Hall of Fame and therefore notable enough to include. This is not a position the article advances itself. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 08:06, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

How many other (non-racist) statements about her were made at the Hall of Fame? Why not publish them instead? Why elevate a racist statement? If you continue to elevate a racist statement any rational person will conclude that you Jaan Pärn are a racist.68.49.99.141 (talk) 17:06, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you can quote a more notable statement on her induction to the Hall of Fame, you are welcome to add it. Until that, this sentence stays. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 22:55, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

June 2012 reversion
On 26–27 June 2012, User:Ernio48 (talk) added considerable material on Springfield. Much of it is improperly formatted, contains poorly defined refs and information which is either redundant or overly detailed with trivial facts. The article is a recent GA candidate. I have reverted all of the added material pending better expression, formatting and relevance.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

After GAN2
I manually moved earlier comments to the Archive 2. I've had a go at improving the article in accordance with most of my comments in the GA2 review above. I request other editors to carefully sift through and copyedit its content. Some refs require further checking. I recuse myself from any future reviewing here.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Dusty Springfield
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First recording - notable?
I'm surprised there is no mention here of the fact on the Peter Miles page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Miles_(English_actor) Peter Miles was also an accomplished jazz and soul singer. He was a childhood friend of the singer Dusty Springfield, and the first recording Springfield ever made was with Miles on guitar.[1] There also exists a published interview with Miles talking about his other singing and music-playing with Dusty and her brother in the "early days". 2.28.151.225 (talk) 10:06, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Enfield
Aside from this Wikipedia article, what evidence, if any, is there that she was born in Enfield? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.85.71 (talk) 21:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The change was made in this anonymous and unexplained edit back in May, which was presumably just vandalism - so, it should have been corrected six months ago. I'll change it back.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:19, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Isabel or Isobel?
Isobel (first paragraph) or Isabel (fact box)? Make your minds up …

Zythophile (talk) 15:24, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Different photograph
Can someone please put up a different photograph of her, please? I would if I could but don't know how and do not think I'm allowed. Please? Thank-you. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:554E:7801:353A:7253:D30C:2F6A (talk) 07:45, 22 November 2020 (UTC)