Talk:Dutch Golden Age painting

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I have created this article from Dutch Golden Age because the "Painting" section was becoming a very big part of that article. I have not changed much yet and have not removed the information from the main article. I am also not happy with the introduction :-) Help is welcome. Piet 14:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Name
In analogy of Early Netherlands painting and List of Belgian painters maybe this should have been Dutch Golden Age painting. Anyone know the rules? Piet 16:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Ambiguity
A disambiguation page might be needed, because this is a redirect from "Dutch Masters", a popular brand of cigars.


 * I put a link to the cigars on this page, but I really think this article needs to be titled something slightly different. On a related note, does anyone know the title of the painting Dutch Masters cigars use on the front of the package?  I'm assuming it comes from this area.  Squad51 22:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

nothing on marine/seascape painting
John bod 18:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Freudian
I am not exited about the idea comparing musical instruments with sexual organs, it is very Freudian, and probably sexist and old-fashioned. I would like to see more attention to the seven Liberal arts, but I cannot find references.Taksen (talk) 10:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This would be covered under Hierarchy of genres etc. Johnbod (talk) 13:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Rembrandt
Strangely no painting of Rembrandt is featured in this article, his name is however. Rembrandt can be considered to be one of the best known painters of this era. --DrJos (talk) 10:17, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You don't say! Time to give the other guys a chance, I thought. Johnbod (talk) 11:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Moralistic Messages?
Alpers (a very well respeced art historian, and an expert on Dutch painting) suggests that the moralistic messages read into Dutch still life paintings were never seen or looked for by contemporaries, neither were they intended by the artists. Morals are read into the paintings by viewers holding the assumptions of the Italian Renaissance. See 'The Art of Describing', by Alpers.


 * I am not endorsing the above, as I just don't know about it, but we do have an article on Svetlana Alpers, author of "The Art of Describing: Dutch Art in the Seventeenth Century". Bus stop (talk) 11:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As the article says, this is a matter of dispute. As it does not say, Alpers is at one extreme & other experts can be pretty rude about her views on this. She is not exactly a DGA specialist; her other books are on a variety of topics & periods within art history. Johnbod (talk) 14:39, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Image arrangement
'[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dutch_Golden_Age_painting&diff=650686074&oldid=650674569 Noooooo! Please go somewhere else?]' - Eh, but why not? It looks better when the bigger painting is higher up. Won't put it back, but I think you could reconsider... It looks more natural, I think, because in general the lead picture is generally bigger, than all other pics...

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 * No, it looks worse, not least because it squashes the text, and removes the simpler and more striking image from the lead. Johnbod (talk) 01:03, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * WEll, I guess it is a matter of taste. By the way, for what is worth, I am a great admirer of you, John. Wish we could at least have some mutual feelings or liking in that direction. Hafspajen (talk) 12:31, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No really, I think most of your edits are great - I see a lot of them on my watchlist, as you can imagine. I'm sorry if I haven't given that impression. There are so many articles where the images are terrible. But I don't always agree on the detail & I think you sometimes spend too much time on articles where the images are already carefully thought out and up to date. You could also extend your usual range to archaeological world cultures, where the images are often especially neglected. Johnbod (talk) 15:35, 11 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, if you give me some articles to look at, I could do that. There is one thing about those articles you mentioned, that I might spend time on. We got this Google Art Project scans latelly, and people started uploading images that are very superior in quality. Especially when zoomed in. I tried many times to replace images that do not do justice to the artwork, York scans and such, with google files, that give a much better impression of the artwork to the readers. It is however not always the same images scanned by the Google project,that are already in the article. I always try to update those that are in the article first. Sometimes I also want to include an image that this way could reach featured status. Hafspajen (talk) 21:29, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that Northern European Old Master painters have mostly received more attention over the last few years than Italian or Spanish, though I know you've been doing a lot. More obscure people like Bartolomeo Nazari (see Commons) need doing. I point to non-classical ancient art and much world art, but I don't know if that's your thing. Is there a way of finding what articles still have Yorck Project images and checking them?  There should be I suppose. Many of the national "art of..." articles are poor - see Portuguese art, Austrian art, Czech art, and so on. Johnbod (talk) 02:43, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. Fix. Hafspajen (talk) 12:14, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

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Big diff - some points to restore
Johnbod (talk) 14:37, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion
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 * Frans Hals 008.jpg
 * Yes, please do! This one is bullshit. Johnbod (talk) 04:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Current status of the term Dutch Golden Age
I am not a specialist and am not going to edit this article. However, let me call to your attention that the term "Dutch Golden Age" has come under discussion, and in some places it is being rejected. The Portrait Gallery of the Golden Age has been renamed the Hermitage Museum of Amsterdam. I am not suggesting removal of the name of the article, but it might be worth mentioning the controversy now arising around it. Here is a NY Times article on the subject:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/arts/design/dutch-golden-age-and-colonialism.html?auth=link-dismiss-google1tap [unsigned]
 * I can't read that without subscribing. If you mean the Hermitage Amsterdam, that name reflects it being a satellite of the Russian museum. Was there ever a "Portrait Gallery of the Golden Age"? Johnbod (talk) 03:39, 8 August 2021 (UTC)