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Zandvoort Grands Prix
Should we include the 1948 and 1949 Zandvoort Grands Prix as part of the Dutch Grand Prix lineage (i.e. should 1949 Zandvoort Grand Prix be listed as the "Previous race" for 1950 Dutch Grand Prix, as it currently is) and include them in the count of "Number of times held" in the infobox, or not? Currently the infobox for this article says "Number of times held: 34" (which doesn't include Zandvoort Grands Prix) but "First held: 1948". DH85868993 (talk) 10:52, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I'd treat them separately. Motor Sport mentions that in 1950 the organisers decided to run it as a "fully fledged" single race Grand Prix, the two previous races were hearts and a final. In any event they are not named as the Dutch GP. Maybe put a bit of text in the article to clarify. Halmyre (talk) 15:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Going through the programmes, I found the 1984 one listing as the 34rd Dutch Grand Prix. That means the 1948 and 1949 GP’s are not part of that continuity.Tvx1 15:25, 7 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Pinging who's been editing this article recently and may have a view. DH85868993 (talk) 10:37, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

The History section of this article says 1948 and 1949 held as Zandvoort Grand Prix (like Mexican Grand Prix held in 2021 under the name Mexico City Grand Prix or the Brazilian Grand Prix held under the name Saõ Paulo Grand Prix). The 2022 Race Media kit refers to all edition as "Dutch Grand Prix" starting from 1948 (number of times held 36 up to 2022). Maybe we have to move 1948 Zandvoort Grand Prix and 1949 Zandvoort Grand Prix to 1948 Dutch Grand Prix and 1949 Dutch Grand Prix, respectively. Island92 (talk) 11:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I prefer to follow contemporary sources on such subjects instead of modern media kits written by a young person who was clearly not around at the time of the those events. I will note that the particular section in that media kit is named "The winners of the last F1 Grand Prix in Zandvoort". Thus it is simply listing all F1 races that took place at Zandvoort, rather than actual Dutch Grands Prix. Moreover, it is dead obvious to me that the person who wrote that section simply copied-pasted from Wikipedia (we should actually complain about that since our content IS copyrighted), evident by the fact that they even copied our pink backgrounds for non-WC events. Anyway, since contemporary sources count the 1950 event as the first Dutch Grand Prix, we should not count the 1948 en 1949 ones as part of the chronology. I therefore strongly oppose renaming those articles. The situation looks more akin to the Imola/Dino Ferrari/San Marino/Emilia Romagna Grands Prix.Tvx1 11:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Article updated, counting "Dutch Grand Prix" since 1950. In the history section, the prose The first race took place in 1948, under the title of the Zandvoort Grand Prix. It was won by Thailand's Prince Bira in an old Maserati. The 1949 event was won by Luigi Villoresi for Ferrari. For the following year, the event became known as the Dutch Grand Prix. should be changed. Furthermore, how about 1948 Zandvoort Grand Prix and 1949 Zandvoort Grand Prix articles and their respective template below?--Island92 (talk) 12:46, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Something like 2020 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix? SSSB (talk) 17:04, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

History section updated. 1948 Zandvoort Grand Prix and 1949 Zandvoort Grand Prix templates below updated as well. Island92 (talk) 17:22, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Updated template below also in 1950 Dutch Grand Prix. Island92 (talk) 17:25, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Zandvoort diagram layout by year
In the by year subsection it doesn't show the layout of Zandvoort 2021 to 2023. Is it the same as the layout of Zandvoort 1980 to 1985? (Fran Bosh (talk) 16:25, 27 August 2023 (UTC))
 * The current (2021-2023) layout is shown in the infobox. The "By year" section shows the previous layouts. DH85868993 (talk) 10:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. (Fran Bosh (talk) 17:23, 1 September 2023 (UTC))