Talk:Duwamish people

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: no consenus. Editors are reminded that WP:UNDAB is an essay which may reflect the view of one or more editors, but is neither a policy nor a guideline. In this case, editors have not accepted the proposition that the article on tribe meets the criteria set out at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and the nominator's assertion multiple-word titles are not candidates for the primary topic is a misreading of the policy at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Duwamish tribe → Duwamish – target was created as redirect to "Duwamish (fireboat)" by Lukobe on July 26 2006, then converted into dab page by same author on same date. Then Duwamish (tribe) redirected to "Duwamish tribe" on Dec 13 2010 by Kwami. NB the Duwamish, whose name is the origin of that of the river and the fireboat, are not a federally-recognized tribe and so the "tribe" wording is not viable; simplest and cleanest is "Duwamish" by itself. PRIMARYTOPIC/MOSTCOMMON and the principles outlined in WP:UNDAB, all of which were taken into account when this article was first styled "Duwamish". Relisted. BDD (talk) 22:33, 10 April 2014 (UTC) Skookum1 (talk) 06:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose until the issue is addressed properly. These should be discussed at a centralized location.
 * There was a discussion once on whether the ethnicity should have precedence for the name, and it was decided it shouldn't. That could be revisited.  But it really should be one discussion on the principle, not thousands of separate discussions at every ethnicity in the world over whether it should be at "X", "Xs", or "X people".  — kwami (talk) 12:32, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Despite the ongoing claims that items such as "FOO River" are PRIMARYTOPIC candidates, that is not according to guidelines; the only standalone use of Duwamish that is a PRIMARYTOPIC candidate is Duwamish tribe, whom the river was named for.Skookum1 (talk) 07:04, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Support as per the policy Article titles and the guideline Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). There is no need to redo any guideline as it already supports the un-disabiguated title. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:33, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose until there is a clear case that we have a primary topic. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:13, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply (copied over from the accidentally-parallel RM at Talk:Duwamish:
 * The problem with either "tribe" dab is that this is not a federally-recognized tribe, so that dab is inherently flawed. The two-word Duwamish River title is not a valid candidate for PRIMARYTOPIC for the standalone term "Duwamish", but for sake of argument (and I'm sure someone will show up with the usual...) here are the view stats:
 * "Duwamish tribe" was viewed 2420 times in 201403
 * "Duwamish River" was viewed 1729 times in 201403
 * "Duwamish Head" was viewed 151 times in 201403
 * Duwamish (fireboat) was viewed 252 times in 201403
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Vague? Inevitably.
The sentence "The tribe is of moderate size with respect to moderately-sized federally-recognized Washington tribes" is marked as "vague", but it simply repeats what the source says. Since we have a ban on original research, I don't see how it can be made less vague. List_of_federally_recognized_tribes_by_state shows 29 recognized tribes, three of which have names that identify them as confederations of tribes. Besides being very laborious work, wouldn't it be impermissible synthesis under WP:NOR to look up the number of registered members of each of these & demonstrate that the Duwamish would fall somewhere near the median?

Therefore, I'd like to remove the "vague" tag. The vagueness is in the sources, not in the writing. - Jmabel &#124; Talk 04:06, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Assessment comment
Substituted at 13:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 29 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 23:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Duwamish tribe → Duwamish people – This is the disambiguation recommended by WP:ETHNICGROUP; the "tribe" terminology is mostly deprecated. Most other articles on North American peoples have already been switched, but I'm putting this one through RM as it's been the subject of several in the past. Cúchullain t/ c 17:19, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


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