Talk:Dwight D. Eisenhower/Archive 2

forbach?
What exactly does this sentence mean: "The Eisenhower family was descent of Forbach."? Dmharvey Talk 00:06, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, Forbach is the name of a place in Alsace, present day France. John Anderson 07:16, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

first war general since Grant to serve as President?
Other Wikipedia articles show Hayes, Arthur, and Benjamin Harrison as general in the GAR. Harrison's was a brevet generalcy, but I'm not sure of the others. In any event, they were generals _during wartime_, which contradicts the claim in this Eisenhower article that he was the first since Grant. Something needs to be fixed somewhere....

Eisenhower's name
The article says: "He was named David Dwight, but quickly began to go by his middle name." Doesn't that mean he should really be called D. Dwight Eisenhower, and not Dwight D. Eisenhower? How did he write his own name? John Anderson 07:16, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Obviously, this issue has been covered in the article now. Good. John Anderson 09:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Jehovah's Witness
It's misleading to categorize Eisenhower as a Jehovah's Witness, since it's clear he dissociated himself from it in 1915. I've removed the category. DJ Clayworth 15:23, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Also to add is that he was baptised a Christian while in office, and he was quiet evangelical. He put "In God we Trust" on our money. I think that the religion section should focus more on this part of his life because it clearly effected his presidental decisions. Tjb891 01:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Article Size - Its over the limit
We should think about breaking the article do to file size.

"Awards and decorations" could go to its own page, would that be enough? It is not very big, just a long list.

The logical break would be:


 * A) birth-to-after World War II/military career
 * 1 Early life and family
 * 2 Military career
 * 2.1 Wartime commander
 * 2.2 Dates of Rank

&


 * B) Political career to death
 * 3 Eisenhower's Presidency
 * 3.1 Foreign affairs
 * 3.2 Domestic affairs
 * 4 Cabinet
 * 5 Supreme Court Appointments
 * 6 States Admitted to the Union
 * 7 White House Staff and Advisors
 * 8 Retirement, death, and legacy

Feedback? WikiDon 08:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

"The last war hero president"?
Why does the article begin this way when the next president, Kennedy, was decorated for his actions involving PT-109? for that matter, George HW Bush (aka Bush41) was a decorated WW2 fighter pilot. I realize that having had two draft dodgers (or at least sliders) in office in a row may create some sour feelings, but that's no reason to ignore facts.


 * The opening phrase is POV, and it's stylistically inappropriate for an article about a famous personality. Almost all the articles I've looked at begin simply with " (born-died) was a ."  I'll remove the phrase. Simishag 18:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * someone beat me to it, but i'll leave my support of the change here. Simishag 18:22, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Note 1 is copyvio?
There is some word-for-word copying between this article and

http://www.adherents.com/people/pe/Dwight_Eisenhower.html

But I don't have time to investigate further. &mdash;the preceding unsigned comment is by 68.40.43.141 (talk • contribs) 11:22, December 9, 2005

Ike the athlete took on the greatest football player in the world
Future President Dwight Eisenhower injured his knee trying to tackle Thorpe during that game.

Eisenhower recalled of Thorpe in a 1961 speech. "Here and there, there are some people who are supremely endowed,""My memory goes back to Jim Thorpe. He never practiced in his life, and he could do anything better than any other football player I ever saw."

Guild Hall Address
I added to the quotes section a passage from Ike's London Guild Hall Address, one of the greatest of short American speeches (he wrote it himself). This may not have been the best quote--it's so full of memorable passages that I found it hard to choose. If someone can find a better one, be my guest.--20 March 2006

Ike
Why was he called "Ike"--Scott3 03:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Ike was simply a nickname used for him. For future reference, please direct factual questions to the reference desk. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 14:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Dubious and not very interesting trivia

 * Eisenhower is only the third US President with military service to reenter the United States armed forces after leaving the presidency. The others were George Washington and Ulysses S. Grant.
 * &mdash;Uninteresting; not notable. Washington and Grant were two Generals who served as president, Washington was promoted in 1976, Grant "saved" the Union, of course they will always be members of the U.S. military.  Besides, the fact as it relates to Ike is already mentioned in the article in a much better way.

Worth mentioning - Washington was commissioned with the rank of Lieutenant General in 1798 with the idea he would command the Army in the event of an potential war with France. Washington was promoted posthumously to General of the Armies of the United States by special act of Congress in in the 1970's with date of rank July 4th, 1776. Grant was returned to the rank of general on the Army retired list to provide him with an income in his final years but died two months later. Eisenhower was re-commissioned to his previous rank of General of the Army because officers of 5-star rank were permitted to remain on active duty for life.


 * Eisenhower's height was 5'10½," or 179 cm.
 * &mdash;Uninteresting. If he had been 7'1" or 4'9", yeah, maybe include it, but average height? Who cares.

I do. Its a fact about Eisenhower which should be recorded for posterity. Two hundred or more years from now the Wikipedia database will be the foundation for all knowledge about the human race. Where do you think the computer on Star Trek got all its information from anyway? Remember - something doesn't have to be "interesting" to be important.
 * He is sometimes called the "Trinity President" because he served as President of the US and President of Columbia Univerity, and had a presidential-like role in the military.
 * &mdash;Dubious; unverifiable as far as I can tell.

--Easter Monkey 16:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course these are "trivial." The only qualification here is that they are accurate and a smidgen interesting. General or not, one doesn't automatically stay in the military forever. The only one I would reject is that goofy "Trinity President" one. Also, Ike (the oldest) handing the reins to JFK (the youngest) IS interesting.Sfahey 17:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Article removed from Good articles
This article was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because a trivia section in bullet points definitely doesn't count as good prose, and nor does an enormous list of awards. If the 'trivia' is genuinelt trivial it doesn't need to be here, while if it's relevant it should go where it is relevant rather than being shunted out to a section which implies it's not relevant. Worldtraveller 15:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

ROLE IN COUP IN IRAN 1950S
I don't think I am the right person to write the summary of Eisenhower's sponsoring a coup, spending $20M American taxpayer dollars, in Iran, overthrowing Mohammad Mossadegh, but surely it should be here. In his book All the Shah's Men, Stephen Kizer goes into great detail about it. It, he says, is the root of our problems with Iran and the Middle East, including terrorism, since then. 1950s. I see already the Eisenhower bio is too long. However, my gosh, isnt this important?
 * Not just Iran, but the crushing of the other secular, pan-Arab, etc. independent movements led to the current crop of terrorism and fundamentalism with the Middle-East, when you crush one form of resistance people aren't just going to give up and lay down they'll find another forum to get together and try and stop you screwing with them.
 * But would you rather they all went off on an independent path and didn't do as they were told and probably even used their nations resources for the betterment of their population rather than increasing the profits of foreign corporations? LamontCranston 5:28, 7 Aug 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually it looks like there is a concerted effort to change US history and prevent this knowledge from coming out on Wikipedia. I put the Iran stuff in the article and it was deleted almost immediately today. An argument could be made that the short-sightedness and greed of the Republican party going back to 1953 paints a direct path to 9/11. My guess is that future changes to reflect reality will be continuously deleted on Wikipedia.


 * Considering the obvious bias shown on the subject by the above posts, I suggest you find a reliable secondary source that backs up what you want to put in, post it here, and allow other more neutral editors to add the information. You can also add it yourselves but be open to NPOV criticisms and attacks on the reliability of the sources.  Please remember WP:AGF, sign your edits, and don't assume a conspiracy where it could just be simple oversight.  Ramsquire 00:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The information you want is in the Eisenhower Presidency article. Ramsquire 00:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You're blaming the 1953 issue on the whole Republican Party? Are you joking? Do you think that the Republican Party supported this overthrow? That was another psychotic act by Eisenhower. He did a lot of those types of things. Jtpaladin 23:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

If it makes anyone feel better, I also edited Jimmy Carter's bio with referencing how he toppled the Shah and made the huge mistake of enabling Khomeini to take power (which he later realized was a big mistake). And that was edited out too... Someone is NOT allowing any references to Iran in any of these presidential bio's ...is there any way a new page could be started "role of US presidents in Iranian Internal Politics"? Is that a way to do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.145.113.189 (talk) 03:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

GA on hold

 * Lead needs just 1 more paragraph at least.
 * Image : Image:Churchill and Eisenhower.jpg is copyrighted. Lincher 01:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Dealing with the Trivia section
As noted above, the Trivia section of this article was one reason for its original delisting as a good article. Also, it does not conform to Trivia. I would like to discuss (a.) whether the information should be kept, and (b.) if it should be kept, where it should be merged. My recommendation regarding how to handle each of the nine bulleted items, in order, is as follows:
 * 1. Move to Eisenhower's Presidency
 * 2. Delete or move to Dwight D. Eisenhower
 * 3. Move to Eisenhower's Presidency
 * 4. Move to Eisenhower's Presidency
 * 5. Move to Eisenhower's Presidency
 * 6. Move to Dwight D. Eisenhower
 * 7. Move to new section, Dwight D. Eisenhower
 * 8. Delete or move to new section, Dwight D. Eisenhower
 * 9. Move to either Dwight D. Eisenhower or Dwight D. Eisenhower. (Seems to make more sense in the former, but I think it would read better in the later.)

Your feedback would be appreciated. Regards, Accurizer 02:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I am in favor of the changes (except 7 & 8) proposed though if they stay as trivia, the problem isn't fixed it is merely dispersed. I would just suggest to add it to the article as a prose. For 7 & 8, Pop culture and Trivia sections are seen as the same in WP so they should remain minimal to none, though having them shouldn't be a reason for the failing of the article.
 * Fixing the Fair use rationale of the image mentioned above and modifying the lead section will help the article reach GA status. Lincher 17:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Failed
For being on hold for over a week.--SeizureDog 11:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Disposition of Trivia

 * Removed as unverifiable: "Eisenhower was involved with testing motorcycles coast to coast for the U.S. military. This long harrowing experience later influenced his goal for an Interstate Highway System." Rather, his involvement in the U.S. Army's 1919 Transcontinental Motor Convoy and subsequent experience with German autobahns during WWII convinced him of the need for the Interstate Highway System (see for example). I was unable to locate any reliable sources regarding Eisenhower's supposed experiences with motorcycles. Accurizer 02:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Bricker Amendment
For some time I have been working on revisions to the Bricker Amendment article. I finally posted it and have a PR at Peer review/Bricker Amendment/archive1. I'd welcome comments. I know all those references may seem extravagant, but I'm hoping to get it as an FA and those voters want lots of footnotes. PedanticallySpeaking 16:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Balanced budget
I see this statement in the legacy section:


 * Eisenhower's reputation has risen since that time because of his non-partisan nature, his wartime leadership, his action in Arkansas, his being the last President to balance the budget (before the second Bill Clinton term) . . .

Didn't LBJ balance the 1969 budget? Or am I thinking of something else?--Idols of Mud 17:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

There is no way LBJ balanced the 1969 budget. He was too busy fighting a war and funding massive social programs. Maybe he submitted a balanced budget but it wasn't balanced after the money was spent.

Jewish-German?
I removed this catagorey because I've never seen anything to confirm it, and whoever added it did not cite a source. From all the biographies I've read of this man, his family was of ethnic German Alsatian descent, and not of Jewish background.

I agree that I think he was German but what the heck was this bizarre claim that he picked up the nickname "terrible Swedish Jew"? I'm not even going to post any of the websites that make this claim but they show a picture of Eisenhower with those words in the yearbook at West Point. Is this some kind of inside joke because it's not funny. Frankly, I think it's antisemitic. Jtpaladin 19:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it's antisemitic as well, considering that the first website I found that asserted that claim was "jewwatch.com". After looking around on Google, there appears to be no reputable basis for such a claim. --ForbiddenWord 19:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The West Point remark must be some kind of inside joke because I don't see what the heck is the point of that retarded comment. It doesn't even make sense. Jtpaladin 23:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why you would take a claim like that seriously. Consider the source when you hear a rumor. I strongly doubt that a page like "Jew Watch" can be considered trustworthy, exactly. --ForbiddenWord 12:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Texas
Putting WikiProject Texas here so the bot will not retag it. Ingrid 14:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Overthrow of democratically-elected government of Iran
A section on this topic was deleted 20:08, 5 October 2006 Flcelloguy. Was the objection to the way the section was written, or the quality of the references or lack thereof, or does the editor doubt the role of the US in the overthrow of the eader of Iran and the installation of the Shah?Edison 03:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Operation: Keelhaul
How the heck can we completely overlook this massive inhumanity perpetrated by the Allies and executed by Eisenhower? Eisenhower was a merciless lunatic as underlined by this tragedy. We know what this operation was all about and what Eisenhower's part was in it. We know that millions of innocent men, women, and children were slaughtered because of this, among other such operations, under direct order from Eisenhower. This was a post-WWII action that is one of the greatest horrors for which Eisenhower was responsible. And, this is not just German prisoners of war but people from all over Eastern Europe. How can we gloss over this issue?

I can't attest to the quality of these websites but certainly they are a good start in which to open a broader perspective of the "Dark Side" of Eisenhower:

http://worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/Keelhaul.shtml

http://www.serendipity.li/hr.html#Keelhaul

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance34.html

http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/for/us-germany-pow.html

These are just a few of many links where solid sources can be found to write an acceptable section devoted to Eisenhower's part in this atrocity. I know a few articles exist in Wikipedia regarding the German soldier starvation, Operation Keelhaul, etc. but they are devoid of reference to Eisenhower's part in them. Certainly, work to be done. Jtpaladin 00:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

The illusion of control. The presumption that at the very moment the Reich surrended, Eisenhower somehow had immediate and total control of an entire war-devastated continent is ludicrous. Europe was devastated. The allies had won, but no one was in control and the ensuing economic chaos took years to sort out. And in the process many refugees and destitute Germans died of untreated disease, hunger, cold ect. It was horrible, but to blame Eisenhower for all of this is stupid and simplistic beyond belief.

Only someone suffering from ideological erosion of their logical thought process would lunge for such a conclusion.

Sean7phil (talk) 00:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Image talk:Churchill and Eisenhower.jpg
See the above page for a discussion on the notability of a visit and speeches by Winston Churchill and Eisenhower to Richmond, Virginia on March 8, 1946. It seems to me that the visit is not sufficiently notable for inclusion, which means the fair use image Image:Churchill and Eisenhower.jpg will need to be removed. I will wait a few days before removing it in the event another editor feels differently. Accurizer 01:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Removed after 5 days. Accurizer 01:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Official Chief of Staff portrait
Image:EisenhowerChiefofStaffPortrait.jpg I'm not an expert, but his shoulder patch reads like a SHAEF. Does this mean Chief of Staff? If yes, please write it in a clearer way. Hope I didn't misunderstand something that already explains it. FloK 07:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Ike was a 5-star "General of the Army" when he was appointed Army Chief of Staff in 1945. This portrait is from the time he was head of SHAEF, before his '44 promotion to 5-star status.Joe Blaznalis, The Fashion Plate of Professional Thumb-Wrestling 05:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

SHAFE stands for Supreme Headquarters Allied Forces Europe. This was the what Eisenhower commanded during the European campaign. The Army Chief of Staff does not wear a patch on his left shoulder (where soldier's wear the patch of the current unit of assignment) as the Headquarters of the US Army does not have a patch. I have seen pictures of Ike taken after the war where he is wearing the SHAFE patch on his left shoulder when it should be worn on his right shoulder where soldiers wear what is officially called "Shoulder Sleeve Insignia Former Wartime Service" (which is commonly called a "combat patch"). While Ike was not following the regulations I am sure he was very proud of his service with SHAFE and this should be considered a forgiveable sin. (JMG)

Presidential Cabinet
Where is his cabinet? Did someone delete it or was it never in this article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.189.197.44 (talk) 17:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Good question, but I don't know either. Extremely sexy 21:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Eisenhower Dollar
The last years these were minted was 1978, not 1979 (in 1979 the Susan B. Anthony dollar started). Corrected this.75.70.125.3 06:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Egos???
"This assignment would prove valuable preparation for handling the egos of Winston Churchill, George S. Patton and Bernard Law Montgomery during World War II." At the very least, this requires infomation/sourcing to back it up. Mythiran 14:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The fact that Churchill, Patton and Montgomery had termedous egos falls into the catagory of common knowledge and needs no supporting documenation any more than the fact that JFK was assasinated on November 22nd, 1963. (JMG)

Do not revert citation tags
Citations are most definitely needed for the material in the religion section. Removal of these will be considered vandalism, and will be reverted as such. K. Scott Bailey 19:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Elephant
Someone replaced the entire article with "elephant" so I deleted it. I'm sorry but I don't know how to replace the original article. Currently, it's blank. Ole 22:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
There is a significant amount of vandalism with random letters being inserted near the beginning of the article. Perhaps it should be protected. Makerowner 18:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree: only registered users should be allowed to edit the article from now on for the time being, hence. Extremely sexy 22:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Semi-protection is requested. --Adavidb 05:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Important bits left out of Farewell Address to the Nation
After mentioning "military-industrial complex":

"The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted."

Is completely omitted from the speech. Why is it?

This was a sizable part of the point he was putting across. Leaving it out completely misrepresents Eisenhower.

Thanks. Gnatinator 10:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Full marks for you. Extremely sexy 15:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Took out claim
Removed claim of false Armageddon prediction under the "Religion" section, since it was not cited and it is a major claim, when putting it back put citation immediately along with it. (unsigned comment)

High school in memorial of Ike
Removed link to high school because it directs you to a different high school than the one mentioned in this article. A page should be made for the Dwight D. Eisenhower High School in Blue Island, Illinois if so desired. Jason947 00:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

New Approval Rating Graph
I made that graph, maybe you would like to put it on the page. --Jean-Francois Landry 17:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm Not Sure Why
But in the source code, there are several more sections after the trivia section (Footnotes, external links etc.) which are not visible in the article. can somone with more wiki experience fix it? --Captain Proton 09:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Bonus March
Didnt Eisenhower help break up the bonus march if so why isnt it in here? 69.136.162.114 13:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

He was serving as an aide to then Army Chief of Staff Douglas MacArthur and was present during the expulsion of the Bonus Marchers. It should be mentioned. (JMG)

Space Race
No mention of the Army Ballistic Missile Agency, the National Council on Aeronatuics, or the founding of NASA? Just a short mention that the "Space Race" started during Ike's term, and nothing more? This was a significant chapter in American history and Ike's presidency so it would be useful if a couple of paragraphs could be crafted summarizing this period at the dawn of the Space Age. - Dravecky 15:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

One more thing, Dwight D. Eisenhower told his wife on his deathbed that he loved her. His final words, however, were: I have always loved by country And, he once told Mamie Doud that she came second, after his country. (*SSF*CK) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.109.227 (talk) 23:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

 * Eisenhower was 5' 10" in height.
 * He was the last U.S. President to be born in the 19th century.
 * He suffered from Crohn's disease.
 * Eisenhower smoked four packs of Camel cigarettes every day.
 * The loblolly pine tree on the left side of the fairway at the 17th hole at Augusta National Golf Club is known as the Eisenhower Tree. He put his ball in the tree so many times he campaigned to have it removed. It stands to this day. The membership built a cabin for Eisenhower, one of 12 on the course. The cabin, built to Secret Service specifications, still stands on the course and is adorned with an eagle on the front porch.
 * Eisenhower has been portrayed by several actors, including Tom Selleck in the 2004 television program Ike: Countdown to D-Day which depicts the 90 days leading up to the D-Day Invasion. On June 6 of that year, Eisenhower's grandson, David, along with Roosevelt's grandson, David, and Arabella Churchill, granddaughter of British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill, appeared on MSNBC during the network's coverage of the 60th anniversary of D-Day and talked about the roles their grandfathers played during the allied invasion.
 * Eisenhower enjoyed cooking as a hobby throughout his life, with particular emphasis on outdoor cooking. During his time as President, he even cooked food on the White House roof, a photo of which exists in the National Archives. Notwithstanding her husband's cooking, Mamie once famously said, "Ike runs the country; I turn the pork chops."
 * Eisenhower experienced tinnitus.
 * Eisenhower was the last president to wear a fedora. After his presidency hats generally stopped being an integral part of men's clothing.

First German-American president

 * Articles note things such as Kennedy's being the first Catholic president. Wasn't Eisenhower the first German-American president? Dogru144 05:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * He may or he may not have been. Are you sure he was the first with German ancestry?   His German roots went back at least 4 generations, so he thoroughly Americansed.  Also, JFK was a Catholic, which is a matter of religion, not ethnic background.  --  JackofOz 05:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And the first German-American US-President was William Howard Taft —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.198.223 (talk) 11:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

State funeral
His state funeral was unique because it was presided over by Richard Nixon, who was Vice President under Eisenhower and was serving as President of the United States.[26]
 * This is problematical. In what sense does a non-minister of religion "preside over" a funeral?  Nixon may well have attended, but surely the funeral was conducted by a minister.  No?  Also, the cited website [26] does not load.  --  JackofOz 05:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Ike did not end the Korean War
A peace treaty has never been signed. North and South Korea are still technically at war. Eisenhower ended American involvement in the war effective with the cease fire, which came about with the U.N.'s acceptance of India's proposal for an armistice. Don't give Ike more credit than he has coming to him. User:71.92.108.197 (talk) 04:23, 13 September 2007


 * How can you say that he "ended involvement"? Aren't American troops still there, haven't they been there for 57 years? The "INVOLVEMENT" has NOT ended. The "WAR" has. WikiDon 07:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it hasn't. A lot of people don't seem to realize. The Korean War is NOT OVER!!! We signed a cease-fire, not a peace treaty. Legally speaking, the war could start again any minute, as soon as one side decides to break the cease fire. The Korean War was one of two wars the USA fought in the 20th century that ended with a cease-fire, not a treaty. FYI, the other was the 1991 Persian Gulf War (which, by the way, is why the US was well within the bounds of international law to invade Iraq in 2003, as every time they shot at or locked onto a US or UK aircraft, they were violating the cease-fire agreement.) It may seem like splitting hairs, but NO ONE ENDED THE KOREAN WAR!!! It's not over!--SpudHawg948 11:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Obviously this is an issue of semantics. Should conflict break out on the Korean peninsula, no one could claim it was directly related to the war of the 1950s. I think, some 50 years later, it is safe to say that Eisenhower ended the Korean war, regardless of whether the means by which he ended were a guaranteed terminal at the time it happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.75.69 (talk) 05:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

OK he ended the Korean Conflict (the fighting and the killing) but not technically the war...

Sean7phil (talk) 00:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Ribbons
I was immediately struck by the fact that in 2 portraits he wears only 3 ribbons, in contrast to lesser officers who wear so many. What are the decorations he displays? Too Old 10:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Can someone construct a "reconstruction" of Ike's ribbons, like the one in the Douglas MacArthur article. That stuff is great and invaluable (well, at least to cranks like me!) Stuff like that makes Wiki not only unique, but valuable (and fun!). Joe Blaznalis, The Fashion Plate of Professional Thumb-Wrestling 05:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a heads up: It's been changed recently, but for the longest time the rule on wearing ribbons with dress uniforms was "all, some, or none" meaning the individual could choose to wear all their ribbons, some of them, or none at all. It was up to the servicemembers discretion. He may just not have wanted to appear vain or ostentatious, or maybe they were just a little too heavy?--SpudHawg948 11:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

After World War Two Ike was entitled to wear 20 or more ribbon - about 10 American and an equal or greater number of foreign awards. Ike normally wore only only 3 ribbons (Army Distinguished Service Medal, Navy Distinguished Service Medal and the Legion of Merit which were the only US decorations (as opposed to service medals) which he recieved. Ike would sometimes wear more ribbons on formal occaisions.  Ike was fairly modest in the way he wore his uniforms (as opposed to Patton and Montgomery) and was not of the "if you've got it flaunt it" school of award wearing. (JMG)

Origin of Family
So one person invented the origins of his family in the Saarland, the other person dreamed up the origins in the Odenwald, only one paragraph apart from each other. How in the world is anyone ever going to believe anything of the hyperreality that Wikipedia creates with nonsense like this? Perhaps after all he was from Munich.... What a load of crap again. 69.205.58.226 14:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Ike's dates of Rank as a Soldier
Can someone construct a table of date of rank, like the one in the Douglas MacArthur article. I love that stuff!Joe Blaznalis, The Fashion Plate of Professional Thumb-Wrestling 05:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The Eisenhower presidential museum notes that he has a less than stellar military career until he was "discovered" and fast tracked to general from Lt. Colonel. This should be added. How should we word it?

Health and impact
The article presently doesn't mention his health barring the cause of his death. Lord Owen notes that his heart attack in 1955 led to a new level of openness about the health of presidents. He was one of the first to receive warfarin as a medical treatment - nowadays it would be unthinkable to use a more-or-less experimental compound on a head of state, see Link 1959. JFW | T@lk  10:08, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Declining Reputation?
Maybe, but Gallup states he was the "most admired man" for 1967 and 1968. One of only a few times the sitting President didn't win the honor. (Granted this might in part be because of LBJ's unpopularity)--T. Anthony (talk) 11:29, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I have removed the line, "Eisenhower has been consistently ranked by scholars as one of the greatest U.S. Presidents." from second para because it violates aspects of wiki policy. Its unsupported opinion (probably 'original research'), and the focal point is "greatest", making it a very subjective POV.

Ike has fallen and risen in surveys of historians, and does not generally appear in presidential "top 5" and "top ten" lists I've seen. Jvol (talk) 19:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh? What policy does it violate?  When speaking in its own voice WP has a neutral POV, but when quoting others it gives their POV.  DDE has never been in the top 5, but is often in the top 10, and generally in the top 15, as shown in detail in the article you just linked to.  I'm restoring the line.  -- Zsero (talk) 23:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Military-industrial complex
This has become seen as a prescient warning for many historians around the globe. Should it not have a mention in the BLP? Or have I missed it? Mr.grantevans2 (talk) 23:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * There are already referrals to this in the "Post-presidency" and "See also" sections. &mdash;Adavidb 00:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Gary Powers U-2 spyplane
Powers getting shot down over Sverdlosk on a CIA/USAF mission on May Day, 1960, upset Eisenhower's 1958-1960 plans for a Nuclear Test Ban treaty. Upcoming Big Four summit talks in Paris were cancelled. This should be in the article. Binksternet (talk) 20:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Education of his brothers
The statement that "Dwight D. Eisenhower (and his six brothers) attended Abilene High School" is incorrect, since one of the brothers -- Paul -- died in infancy. (See page 69 of Michael Korda's 2007 biography "Ike".) Thus, only five of his brothers also attended Abilene High School. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Latinsq (talk • contribs) 01:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Birth Name?
The entry says "Dwight David Eisenhower, born David Dwight Eisenhower", but the Early Life section says "born Daniel Dwight Eisenhower". The Eisenhower Presidential Center website doesn't mention his birth name Does anyone know more about this? Not only is it in poor form for an article to be contradicting itself, there are no sources for either name. Joliefille (talk) 03:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You apparently encountered a vandalized version of the article, since corrected and temporarily protected. &mdash;Adavidb 04:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

It should be added, that the original spelling of his German surname was EISENHAUER, meaning swaging iron or steel. AJV 16:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperboreer (talk • contribs)


 * Sorry about that, I now see that this has been mentioned: "Eisenhower's paternal ancestors can be traced back to Hans Nicolas Eisenhauer, whose surname is German for 'iron worker.'[6] Hans Eisenhauer and his family emigrated from Karlsbrunn (Saarland), Germany to Lancaster, Pennsylvania in 1741. Descendants made their way west. Eisenhower's family settled in Abilene, Kansas in 1892. His father David Eisenhower was a college-educated engineer.[7] Eisenhower graduated from Abilene High School in 1909.[8]" Hyperboreer (talk) 22:59, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Dynamic Conservatism
Exactly what is 'Dynamic Conservatism'? What follows looks to me like a description of big government liberalism -- nothing conservative in the whole section. 14:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * For the citation needed in this section a decent link is http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,900543-1,00.html Though not a first hand reference it is from Friday, Jan. 24, 1969. Time I imagine is a valid enough source. WillisAdair (talk) 02:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * "Dynamic Conservatism" is simply what he called it. You don't have to agree with him.

R K Hudson (talk) 21:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Eddie Slovik
Mention should probably be made somewhere about Eddie Slovik, the 24-year-old WWII private executed for desertion. His article says that Eisenhower signed the death orders in order to discourage desertion. Interesting, and important for this article.--Gloriamarie (talk) 03:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Chief of Staff Portrait
The image was previously tagged for deletion because "This file is an exact duplicate of another file from the Wikimedia Commons. Unless it is currently protected from editing, this media file may qualify for speedy deletion..." Also, the portrait was a commission, signed by the artist, the artist was not an employee of the government, therefore he retains copyright. That the image comes from a US Army Website does not mean it is public domain, especially since apparently it comes from a book. If the person posting can provide better source info to establish public domain, then he can repost, and I'll find another spot for the one I replaced it with. J M Rice (talk) 08:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

President or General? or Vice Versa?
This may just be a minor point and may have nothing to do with making this a better article, but I noticed that in the first section Eisenhower's role as a Genearl comes before his role as a President. Isn't he better known as a President? Should it say "President of the United States aand Allied Commander"? or something like it, or should it stay "Allied Commander and President...."? Any ideas? --Jojhutton (talk) 19:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to change the order of that. General custom is to list offices in order of prominence, and President of the United States supersedes any other office Eisenhower held.  This is particularly clear-cut in so much as the military chain of command puts President right at the top. Huadpe (talk) 10:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Different Titles
The article mentions he went to Camp Meade in Maryland but every other source says Fort Meade. Not sure if it's a big deal but I'm just mentioning it. Also, the article says that Dwight was executive officer to Gen. Fox Conner but every other source says he was chief of staff. Again, I was just observing and wasn't sure if these were incorrect or what. --ShutUpSarahSmith (talk) 21:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Sarah Smith


 * I don't have a reference, though Fort Meade was named Camp Meade when Eisenhower was there. Also, a Chief of Staff position is an executive officer. &mdash;ADavidB 02:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

"Expeditionary"
"The word "expeditionary" was dropped soon after his appointment for security reasons." Why? What "security reasons" were there for this name change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 17:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Temporary rank not a "brevet"
The statement that Eisenhower "rose to temporary (Bvt.) Lieutenant Colonel in the National Army" is erroneous. This was not a "brevet" rank; brevet ranks had been abolished many years before. The term "temporary rank" is appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.28.15 (talk) 04:19, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

K1C2
Hi. The 'Korea, Communism and Corruption' mentioned in the 'Entry into Politics' section seems to be referred to in several books etc. as 'K1C2', and someone else has created an article about the K1c2 formula, referring to this theme. I was going to redirect the article to this section, then realised that the abbreviation wasn't actually mentioned, so the redirect may be confusing. Does anyone know if this abbreviation is suitable for inclusion in the article ? Since this is a major article about a well-known figure, I thought I'd better check before I made any edits :-) CultureDrone (talk) 15:36, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Arms race
The article contains a link to Arms race, in reference to that to which the article refers as the Arms Race. However, the page "Arms race" does not apply to any single arms race. Perhaps the link ought to be redirected to Nuclear arms race, which specifically refers to the USA-USSR conflict. Does anyone oppose such a change? Penthamontar (talk) 01:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Rated among the 10 most popular presidents
Citation was needed for President Eisenhower's post-president rating in the "Legacy" section, so here it is: http://www.c-span.org/PresidentialSurvey/Overall-Ranking.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.188.33.26 (talk) 00:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Introduction
Should it be noted in the introduction that he was the last president born in the 19th Century? Rs09985 (talk) 16:59, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I would call that a factoid rather than a defining characteristic. Binksternet (talk) 17:37, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Too Serious
It's not very funny, this really should be on Wikipedia, put it on Pee Review and I'll give you more indepth review. --Projectmayhem666 (talk) 13:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Was he general —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.37.66 (talk) 22:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Source for Eisenhower's order to document concentration camps?
This article states that Eisenhower gave orders to camera crews to ensure proper documentation of Nazi death camps was on file for use in war crimes tribunals. This fact is not sourced. Searches on Google point back to the 2008-update of a 2007 chain letter (see snopes for 'eisenhower' and 'holocaust'), along with a more recent chain powerpoint that's been making the rounds. Just curious as to whether anyone has an actual source on this order or if it's something that's simply accepted as common knowledge? 75.176.75.209 (talk) 01:42, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Added citation regarding order 10420, which caused civil service commission to fire homosexuals
I added a citation to the executive order, which was covered in an article in the Advocate, which is a national Gay newsmagazineAllyn (talk) 01:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I acknowledge the order and its result, but I deleted your addition. I think that a level 2 heading puts far too much emphasis on this, one of many presidential orders. I think that the order should be presented in a section that talks about other orders and about why Ike would sign this one. Let's teach the reader something about Ike rather than listing an opaque factoid. Binksternet (talk) 01:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What about if I were to re-install the section, but title it 'Presidental Orders Signed by Eisenhower'?


 * I feel that this is significant to the LGBQ community. Allyn (talk) 06:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Of course it's important to homosexuals—I don't question that. What's missing is any discussion about why Ike ordered this into law. Your proposal would need to have such explanation accompanying that order as well as some other interesting orders. Binksternet (talk) 13:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Eisenhower Administration's Active Involvement in Overthrowing Secular Iranian Democracy
Why Is there no section on this page about The Eisenhower Administration's active involvement in the overthrow of the democratically elected government in Iran in 1953 in order to Install the king and extract favourable oil deals and (perhaps) deal with the communist threat of the Tudeh party? This is well documented by historians and is now in the public domain. A copy of the declassified CIA report can easily be found on a google search —Preceding unsigned comment added by MRNORTHWOODS (talk • contribs) 04:51, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

People to People
After his presidency, Dwight founded a student program called "People to People" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erich184 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Iranian Overthrow
I cannot help but realize that Eisenhower's decision to overthrow the Democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran Mohammed Mossadegh, in favor of a military regime lead by the Shah, has been ignored from his entry on Middle East policy. A great deal of "blow back" has occurred due to his decision to create a military regime in order to stop a so-called "Arab" leader from controling oil reserves from British corporations. This was also part of Eisenhower's military strategy around the world. And one of the first occurrences of militaristic American foreign policy in the modern world. Persianlor (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.43.46 (talk) 16:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, this should definitely be covered.--Gloriamarie (talk) 01:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Reliable sources are needed to support this coverage. &mdash;Adavidb 04:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Reliable sources are clearly abundant. This is in the public domain and the CIA has released the reports - this is all declassified information. In fact, the New York Times website has made it easy by posting up the links in easily manageable portions here: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/#documents as well you can do a search on the CIA's official website as again, the information is DECLASSIFIED and in the public domain. The only reason it is not common knowledge is because of the irresponibility of cheerleading journalists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MRNORTHWOODS (talk • contribs) 05:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect Figures - Incorrect Citation
A very minor correction is required in the 4th paragraph of the WW II section. The final sentance states that Russian Casualties were 80,000. This is incorrect. The actual casualties were very different.

80,000 dead and 362,000 total Russian casualties = wikipedia, "Battle for Berlin" (and associated citations to these figures)

or

100,000+ dead, and 352,425 total Russian casualties = Hastings,(2004), pp.548

are two examples of what the figures should read and could be changed to...

prehaps being a bit anal about such as small error... but like wiki to be accurate! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.106.50.32 (talk) 15:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Eisenhower and the Struggle for Civil Rights
The section on Civil Rights seems to take a far too sanguine view of Eisenhower. Indeed, his support for the Brown decision didn't go as far as a single word spoken in defense of it. His role in Little Rock should never be ignored, but neither should it be exaggerated. Eisenhower was compelled by duty to act in 1957, not by conscience. Eisenhower's role in desegregating the District of Columbia does nothing to mitigate against his general States' Rights leanings on Civil Rights. I'm not looking for Eisenhower to be excoriated here, I just think the section should be balanced by providing a bit of context.209.244.31.37 (talk) 20:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * We just need available and reliable sources. &mdash;ADavidB 00:45, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is no place for analysis, even when it's "balanced". Analysis, people offering their insights, is the bane of WIkipedia..  This includes "balance" consisting of "some believe...others believe," which are weasel words.  One might offer that there is a debate and cite different sides in the debate, but again, this is no place for opinionating. J M Rice (talk) 08:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, the bane of Wikipedia is the pervading sense of self-righteousness of Wikipedia's self-appointed guardians. If Wikipedia is no place for analysis, what value can it have as an encyclopedia? You have misconstrued what I meant by "balanced" and you have somehow ascribed to me a definition of "analysis" that is simplistic if not flat wrong. The issue I had with the article concerning Eisenhower and Civil Rights is that someone who knows little about Eisenhower in the first place (which would be most people) would take away from this article an overly positive and largely false view of Eisenhower's role in the Civil Rights movement and of his own personal views on both segregation and desegregation. I understand the desire for objectivity; that is precisely why I had a problem with the article in the first place. Any objective analysis of the Eisenhower administration produces a very mixed and conflicted record on Civil Rights. The article as it is reads like a brochure from the Eisenhower Presidential Library. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.31.37 (talk) 02:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's "no original research" policy clearly prohibits the use of unpublished analysis. As explained within the "neutral point of view" policy, additional reliably sourced descriptions of Eisenhower's Civil Rights role and views can be worked into the article in proportion with their prominence, that is, without undue weight. &mdash;ADavidB 04:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It's pretty much consensus among historians that Eisenhower was neither an ardent supporter of the Civil Rights movement nor in favor of the Supreme Court decision regarding Brown v Board of Education of Topeka. In fact, Eisenhower behaved during the Little Rock crisis in a hesitant and irresolute manner, whereas some public comments of him were interpreted as supportive of the White Southern resistance.

And of course, there's no need to argue about Wikipedia's "no original research" policy, since there are enough reliable sources. See, for example:

''Pach, Chester J. and Elmo Richardson. Presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower (1991).''

or

Ambrose, Stephen E. Eisenhower: Soldier and President (2003).

Both works contain extensive descriptions of Eisenhowers role regarding Civil Rights, and both works clearly state that his behavior was a disgrace, even though they both got a generally positive view of his presidency. Unfortunately, I cannot quote them myself, since right at this moment, I 'm forced by the inaedequacy of my local library to use German translations, but anyone who wants to improve the article will find enough material in these books, escpecially in the chapters "The Hazards of Deliberate Speed" (Pach) and "Little Rock and Sputnik" (Ambrose), if I recall correctly. --141.35.189.38 (talk) 15:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ike and Augusta National Country Club
203.8.131.32 (talk) 22:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)I am very surprised that this article makes no reference to the very large input by members of Augusta National - in particular Clifford Roberts. He was Ike's closet friend (Ike reserved a room at the White House for him) Roberts and a member Robinson were the ones who were in France with Ike and advised him that the committee of Augusta National members (including Bobby Jones) recommended to Ike that he issue a statement one way or the other abouting running. the article should give some recognition to W. Alton (Pete) Jones who largely funded the campaign via Roberts and others. All in all I believe some reference should be included in this otherwise excellent article on Ike.

Cheers, Darryle Knowles, Brisbane, QLD, Australia

Supreme Commander
In the first paragraph, in the sentence "In 1951, he became the first supreme commander of NATO," "Supreme Commander" needs to be capitalized. It is simply a short form of "Supreme Allied Commander, Europe" (SACEUR), or whatever it was first called in 1951. He was the Supreme Commander of what became (or what already was) the Supreme Headquarters, Allied Powers in Europe (SHAPE). Eisenhower had previously been (in 1944-45, maybe earlier, maybe later, too) the Supreme Commander at the Supreme Headquarters of the Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF). There is some confusion about these floating around, and I have even seen "SHEAF" - of which there was no such thing.98.67.163.150 (talk) 16:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

...
Can we add something about Eisenhower`s role in Operation Ajax (Overthrow of Dr.Mossadegh - democratically elected PM of Iran who nationalized the oil and was subsequently overthrown by British & US interests).

Or how about something on the death of Patrice Lumumba

or im sure you guys want to keep a halo above his head, just like the churchill wiki page. leave the criticism out —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 04:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Vietnam
This article on Ike does not state that he sent 900 military advisers to Vietnam, starting in 1950. He also sent large sums of funding, and arms, to fight the Northern Communist's rule. In actuality, Eisenhower was responsible for getting the US into the military involvement with Vietnam, and he was also responsible for the installation of Ngo Dinh Diem as the leader of South Vietnam.

There are still too many young people in the US, that think it was all Kennedy's actions that got the US involved. I think if this article wishes to tell Ike's history, they should tell it all, and not selected portions of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craxd (talk• contribs) 20:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC) --Craxd (talk) 20:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that Vietnam should be discussed and noted under Ike's years. I put in an addition recently with cites. One can always add to it. Kierzek (talk) 02:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The article states that Eisenhower refused to intervene with the French in 1954, but does not mention the much more significant fact of his interaction with Vietnam -- his double-crossing of Ho Chi Minh afterward. He got Ho to agree to withdraw his forces to the north in exchange for free elections.  Realizing that Ho would win any all-Vietnam election, Eisenhower resorted to legalistic subterfuge and divided the country in two, creating a South Vietnam where support for Ho's party would be illegal.  This was the irretrievable mistake that led to twenty years of bloodshed and ultimately defeat.  Afterwward, Ho -- who had appealed first to the United States, the supposed symbol of freedom, for his fight against the French colonizers -- was a committed enemy, relying on his Communist sponsors for support. 68.198.150.179 (talk) 01:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)captcrisis

Death camps
"Upon full discovery of the death camps that were part of the Final Solution (Holocaust)"

This is plain wrong and should be corrected. The British and Americans discovered horrific conditions in the camps they liberated in Western Germany, but these were not the Holocaust camps, which were in Poland.78.151.128.58 (talk) 20:19, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

It also shows a citation needed for him ordering camera crews to document the camps. Ive seen the videos that have him reading the document he signed issuing that order. You can find it on youtube. It may be a part of the BBCs massive world war 2 documentary or the World at War documentary. Anyways you can find it on some sites,you tube included. Please someone add the proper citations, I don't know how and if it wasn't 6am i'd do it myself. Thank you so much.

PS all the camps count as holocaust camps. Although you can divide them into concentration camps like Mathausen and extermination camps like Treblinka. Auschwitz of course was concentration first, extermination towards the ends.

"You did not bear the shame. You resisted. Sacrificing your life for freedom,honor and justice." - German resistance memorial. 11:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shankar69 (talk • contribs)

Intro
Could someone please add info as to which party President Eisenhower represented as president in the introduction to the aticle. It's quite annoying not finding such vital info in the intro. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.217.75 (talk) 17:50, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Eisenhower was a republican. He was generally considered to be of the moderate wing of that party. The term "Main Street" republican was sometimes used in those days for moderate republicans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.51.138.69 (talk) 21:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Military medals incorrect
The military medals displayed on this page can't be correct; they include the Spanish War Service Medal and Spanish Campaign Medal, but that war happened before Eisenhower was 10 years old. It looks like the medals displayed here are the right ones: [], but I'm not sure where to find an authoritative list to verify.Habfan29 (talk) 17:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well spotted. This was a piece of vandalism by 74.171.32.63 on 1-Nov-2009, that went undetected and uncorrected.  I have reverted this section to what it said before this vandalism, except for the removal of the unsourced claim that he had been offered and turned down the Medal of Honor. -- Zsero (talk) 18:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Mistakes over Berlin and Suez not mentioned
There is nothing about his much criticised decision to leave Berlin to Stalin nor his betrayal of his allies Britain, France and Israel during Suez crisis in favour of appeasement —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.123.101 (talk) 01:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Most authors (Ambrose, Korda, etc) I've read defend his decision to leave Berlin to the Russians (who lost what, 300K soldiers in taking it for Stalin's glory?) as a brave, militarily correct decision. I don't think today there's much criticism of it (though at the time there may have been).

On Suez, I think he made an unpopular but correct decision in order to preserve the viability of the UN, which was near and dear to his heart. I wouldn't say he was appeasing anyone... right or wrong, Britain was tha aggressor and did it without the support of the UN security council.

Perhaps both these issues merit discussion, but I'd contest anything that just said they were "much criticised" without explaining the issues and contemporary views on them. 71.197.183.28 (talk) 23:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)Davepl

Criticism
I've tagged this new section for neutrality. A most cursory reading of Other Losses suggests that its findings have not gone unchallenged. Perhaps the section will benefit from a fuller account of the controversy re: the book's claims. JNW (talk) 20:28, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I've read and added some material and cited it as a balance to the accusations. --- Wikiklrsc (talk) 02:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

If Bacque was sufficiently proven wrong, why does this section still exist? It seems like the rebuttal from the commission warrants removing the whole section, unless we're going to maintain the (demonstrably incorrect) opinions of every single author. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.183.28 (talk) 23:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Opponents try to rally anti-Semites against him
Unsure if it should be included but found it surprising that after having fought against Nazi propaganda claiming he was Jewish during the African campaign (by pointing out he had no Jewish ancestry), and after facing the same claims by German anti-Semites after the war during German reconstruction, he returned to America and had political opponents use the same tactics against him during his Presidential run (despite knowledge of the Concentration Camps). The pervasiveness of anti-Semitism in this period continues to astonish.

Eisenhower & the anti-communist crusade‎ - Page 27 Jeff Broadwater - History - 1992 “LK Smith tried to appeal to anti-Semitism by branding Eisenhower as Jewish”

Dwight D. Eisenhower‎ - Page 70 Jean Darby 2004 “It made Eisenhower uneasy. Political opponents also began circulating rumors ... that Eisenhower was hiding the fact that he was Jewish.” —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.113.3 (talk) 17:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

mistake found
In the article at the end of the third paragraph of "End of Presidency" it is stated that " Eisenhower, who was the oldest elected president in history at that time, thus handed power over to the youngest elected president."

This statement, while true, is misleading as Teodore Roosevelt was the youngest president due to the death of Mckinley and not election.

While the statement is factual by virtue of the phrasing the claim is not supported by the reference provided (#41) as no mention of the numerical ranking of age or dates of birth are provided in the source material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.45.160 (talk) 20:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

education
could someone please find something about where eisenhower went to elementary/middle school? that would be very useful!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.71.70 (talk) 02:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

WWI vet?
Since he spent WWI in Pennsylvania and never went to Europe, I'd like to know the basis for the statement that he was the "last WWI veteran to serve as President". He is not a WWI veteran. Simply being the military during time of a war doesnt make you a veteran of that war, plenty of people were in the military that never went to Vietnam or Korea and so are not vets of those wars (otherwise we'd have to say GW Bush is a Vietnam vet...)Camelbinky (talk) 16:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Superated? I'm not sure that's an English language word.
A recent addition to the end of the introduction looks poorly constructed. I'm not even sure what the author intended to say... BusterD (talk) 00:33, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Time Travel?
✅

Quoting the article: "More dramatically, in July, 1958, he sent just under 15,000 Marines and soldiers to Lebanon as part of Operation Blue Bat, a non-combat peace keeping mission to stabilize the pro-Western government and to prevent a radical revolution from sweeping over that country. They left in October 1957." I know U.S. marines have been praised for achieving impossible feats now and then. But is one of these feats time travel? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.174.86 (talk) 15:40, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I fixed it, according to the section on Operation Blue Bat they left in October 1958.  GB fan  talk 18:21, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Possible error
The article states "In October 1952, the Eisenhower administration declared racial discrimination a national security issue". Given that Eisenhower was elected in November of 1952 this can not be true. Was it October of 1953? This should be fixed.

Thank you 76.31.233.110 (talk) 15:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC) Peter Schaeffer
 * I removed the date and left the rest. If a page number were given, it would be easier to check out against the google books preview. AmateurEditor (talk) 02:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Not Jewish
An IP editor is edit warring to establish Eisenhower's father as being Jewish. The sources are very unreliable, being hit pieces found at self-published web pages. For the 1952 book Eisenhower: the man and the symbol, Eisenhower told biographer John Gunther that he knew of no Jewish ancestors. Gunther wrote on page 77, "as far as Eisenhower knows he has no Jewish ancestors at all; there is no record of a drop of Jewish blood in the family. Sometimes, however, he has been called Jewish by stupid detractors." That should settle the question. Binksternet (talk) 19:41, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

re: nuclear threat
As President, Eisenhower threatened to use nuclear weapons, forcing China to agree to a cease-fire of the Korean War[2].

This is inaccurate and misleading, and I removed it. It has now been restored, with the addition of a source found on Google Books that was apparently skimmed very briefly by the editor, because the source he added actually confirms what I said in the first place:

"the nuclear plan was being translated into vague -- very vague -- diplomatic pressure on the enemy.

Faint Signals, Ambiguous Results ... The only evidence about the role of nuclear threats in achieving the settlement is circumstantial and has been cited selectively by those who denigrate it and by those who see it as crucial. ... The evidence does not permit precise conclusions about the coercive efficacy of the nuclear signal ... Without knowledge of Chinese deliberations it is impossible to confirm or dismiss a linkage between the U.S. signal and the Chinese decision to conclude negotiations"

It is true that Eisenhower and his advisers claimed after the fact that a nuclear threat forced China to the table, it is far from clear that this is true, and they had obvious political reasons to say that this was so. EvanHarper (talk) 04:30, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Opening section
I started to clean up the opening section, but I don't have the access or the time to find the sources for it, or correct all the language. It could still use a lot of cleaning up, with refinances and a more truly neutral tone. Heynow09 (talk) 04:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * the opening lede is a summary of the entire article, and according to standard Wiki policy there is no need for separate footnotes (and no need to demand citations). Rjensen (talk) 05:47, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:LEADCITE has the pertinent information. &mdash; MrDolomite &bull; Talk 13:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I was WP:BOLD and removed the 2x section notices, as the individual citation needed templates are sufficient to notify editors and readers that improvements may be needed. &mdash; MrDolomite &bull; Talk 13:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What the heck are you people doing? All those "Citation needed" completely destroys the lead. According to policy WP:LEADCITE: "It is even more important here than for the rest of the article that the text be accessible. Consideration should be given to creating interest in reading the whole article." Also, to be blunt, If you have the time to add all those citation warnings, then you also have the time to rewrite the lead. As said before the lead doesn't need citations. If there's a problem, it's in the body. BashBrannigan (talk) 00:12, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Congo
Ive heard alot of stories about Eisenhower having something to do with the CIA plotting the assassination of Patrice Lumumba and establishing a corrupted government in Congo for some time in order to get alot of diamonds. I feel as though this article may be a bit based on... lets say only the american view. Maybe the article would be more justified if it also had his interest in Congo. Also, I was looking for this information on this article but I did find it on Patrice Lumumbas's article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.252.143.4 (talk) 15:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Tributes and Memorials
No link to USS Dwight D. Eisenhower(CVN-69)  Should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.214.44.131 (talk) 00:42, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Done, in the 'Other honors' section. —ADavidB 02:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Translation of "Eisenhauer"
I am German and I saw in the article that the name is translated as "iron worker" or "iron craftsman". I think both are wrong. The translation of "Eisen" as "iron" is correct, but "Hauer" has another meaning. A "Hauer" is a "miner", a man who works in mines. The origin word is the verb "hauen"; it means "to hack", "to hew". The "Hauer" is the man who hacks or hews. The ancestor of Dwight D. Eisenhower was a man who worked in a mine and extracted iron ore. He didn't work as an ironsmith, armorer or similar professions.

In the german Wikipedia is an article about the profession of the "Hauer" Hauer (Bergbau). The first sentence of the article (I try to translate): A Hauer is a profession in the mining and means a miner who extracts treasures of the soil out of stone. 92.77.158.244 (talk) 20:48, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Ike and Civil Rights
§Did not Ike try to pass the Civil Rights Act but was blocked by the Senate Majority Leader at the time. Who was that evil person? Could it have been LBJ. Yes the same LBJ that later gets credit for the Act. WestTxDan (talk) 17:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Bonus Army
There should be some mention of Eisenhower's role is suppressing the Bonus Army. 46.116.170.251 (talk) 19:25, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

The Chance for Peace speech is erroneously cited.
Under the Legacy section, the quote, "Every gun that is made, every warship launched..." is wrongly cited (and linked) as having come from his Farewell Speech given in 1961. The quote actually comes from The Chance for Peace speech Eisenhower gave to the American Society of Newspaper Editors on April 16, 1963. http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/speeches/19530416%20Chance%20for%20Peace.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.146.70.57 (talk) 01:32, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Fixed, thanks. --Banana (talk) 19:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protection
This article of late has been getting a lot of vandalism and I believe should be changed to semi-protected at least for six months. Kierzek (talk) 13:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed to semi-protected for now, due to the recent amount of vandalism; this for a trial period of time. Kierzek (talk) 02:20, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, apparently I did not set it correctly as the vandalism has continued. Maybe another can fix it. Kierzek (talk) 18:52, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Racial slur against Eisenhower
Is it true that Elizabeth Dilling called Eisenhower "Ike the kike," and if so, what was her reason/motivation for doing so... is there a Jewish ancestor in his family tree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.24.105.33 (talk) 23:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.12.182.184, 18 February 2011
Delete "Among the 10 best U.S. Presidents"; it presents a bias.

99.12.182.184 (talk) 08:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * It's a claim that's supported by various panels, , . Rather than delete it, sources can be added to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JNW (talk • contribs) 04:54, 18 February 2011


 * Symbol_delete_vote.svg Not done. The statement in the opening blurb links to the Historical rankings of United States Presidents article which has an enormous amount of references.  As long as that article is linked, there's no need to duplicate all of them in this article as well.  Suffice it to say, apparently, historians really do rank Eisenhower in the top ten list of US Presidents. Banaticus (talk) 00:40, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the rankings do and have changed over time. Ike really has only consistently been in the top ten since the Siena 1994 poll. So it would be more correct to say, "since the 1990's" or "the majority of current historians". However, it is not something I feel very strong about; just setting the record straight, herein. Kierzek (talk) 02:47, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

More religious than previously thought?
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/02/14/eisenhowers-religion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.218.26 (talk) 05:13, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Birth name
He was born David Dwight Eisenhower and it should be in the beginning paragraph. 76.90.16.81 (talk) 00:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Foreign policy
The "olive branch" sentence should be at the beginning of the paragraph. It would be better to start by saying, "Eisenhower held out an olive branch to the Soviet Union following Stalin's death, but the Cold War escalated during his presidency". (92.20.36.89 (talk) 15:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC))

Addition of Operation TORCH planning
At the very beginning of this article, it states:

"During World War II, he served as Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe, with responsibility for planning and supervising the successful invasion of France and Germany in 1944–45, from the Western Front."

I submit that there is a serious omission in his responsibilities as described herein. Eisenhower was also largely responsible for the planning of Operation TORCH, the invasion of North Africa in 1942. See either the Wikipedia article on Operation TORCH or the book by Rick Atkinson, "Army At Dawn" (http://www.liberationtrilogy.com/army_at_dawn.htm). Indeed, lessons learned from TORCH were probably responsible for the subsequent success of the invasion of Normandy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Normandy) without which the earlier proposed invasion of France in 1942 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sledgehammer) would have very likely failed.

Thank you.

Tonyalfrey (talk) 19:34, 3 June 2011 (UTC) Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net

Genocide of POWs
Following the war during the occupation of Germany, Eisenhower adopted a policy of starvation and torture of POWs, which included machine gunnings, being bulldozed into mass graves alive, and beatings. He circumvented Geneva Conventions by reclassifying the prisoners as disarmed enemy forces insted of prisoners of war. He ended Swiss protection of German interests, ended International Red Cross monitoring and their food parcels to the prisoners, as well as the Unitarians, Quakers, YMCA, and other organizations; removed the German Red Cross from the American occupation zone, while his subordinate General Marshal banned mail to and from the prisoners; and ordered the execution of family members trying to provide food to the prisoners.

Within the American occupied zone in Germany some 200 concentration camps existed for the prisoners, in which the records of the camps were destroyed. 10 years after the war ended, Germany could not account for 1.7 million POWs who were alive at the end of the war. Historian Stephen Ambrose acknowledged the brutal conditions of the concentration camps shielded from the West and ignored by their media, and corroborated works on the topic by James Bacque.


 * Please see WP:SELFPUBLISH. Those are not reliable sources as both of the publishers are self-publishing companies. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 03:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Minor error in WWII link
Under the "World War II" section, we have the following sentence:

"The 8th Army had advanced across the Western Desert from the east and was ready for the start of the Tunisia Campaign."

Here, "8th Army" links to the page for the US 8th Army, whereas it should go to the page for the British 8th Army: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_8th_Army  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guinnessmonkey (talk • contribs) 20:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Clean up of images needed
There are a number of areas where images need to be cleaned up. See WP:Image

To begin with, In the family section the text is overcrowded. To alleviate this, I have replaced the following pic of Mr/Mrs. Eisenhower with the image of Mamie. Carmarg4 (talk) 12:47, 5 July 2011 (UTC) File:Eisenhower with Mamie.jpg|thumb|upright|Eisenhower with his wife Mamie on the steps of St. Mary's University of San Antonio, Texas, in 1916, where Eisenhower was at the time a football coach.

I have removed the following statue image to eliminate overcrowding in the WW II section. It also is not as significant as the other images remaining per WP:image. Carmarg4 (talk) 20:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC) File:Ike Statue at West Point.JPG|right|upright|thumb|Eisenhower Monument at West Point

I removed the following image from the presidency section to eliminate overcrowding. It also lacks the significance of remaining images per WP:image Carmarg4 (talk) 21:04, 6 July 2011 (UTC) File:Franco eisenhower 1959 madrid.jpg|thumb|Francisco Franco and President Dwight D. Eisenhower in Madrid in 1959

I have removed the following images to eliminate overcrowding; they also lack the significance of remaining images - per WP:image Carmarg4 (talk) 14:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC) File:Dwight Eisenhower Nikita Khrushchev and their wives at state dinner 1959.png|left|thumb|From left to right: Nina Kukharchuk, Mamie Eisenhower, Nikita Khrushchev and Dwight Eisenhower at a state dinner in 1959/ File:VonBraunEisenhower.jpg|thumb|left|Wernher von Braun briefs President Eisenhower in front of a Saturn 1 vehicle at the Marshall Space Flight Center dedication on September 8, 1960.

I have removerd the following image due to overcrowding and lack of significance compared to what remains - per WP:image. Carmarg4 (talk) 14:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC) File:JFK & Eisenhower meeting 1961.jpg|thumb|left|Eisenhower with President Kennedy in 1961

I have removed the following image, not comparable in significance to what remains> Carmarg4 (talk) 18:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC) File:Eisenhower 67-475-19.jpg|thumb|Eisenhower leaving the White House after a visit with President Johnson in 1967.

I have removed the following image sections, titled Eisenhower on U.S. Coinage and Eisenhower on U.S. stamps, which assumed disproportionate space and were insignificant to the scope of the article - per WP:image and WP:length. Links to articles devoted exclusively to these images have been added in the article. Note that consensus has been established in other presidential biography articles (e.g. Lincoln, Garfield) that these images should be included by reference to external links. Carmarg4 (talk) 19:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC) (Eisenhower on U.S. Coinage) File:Eisenhower dollar obverse1.jpg|150px|left|thumb|Dollar coin issued by the United States Mint from 1971 to 1978 commemorating Eisenhower Eisenhower's picture was on the Eisenhower Dollar|dollar coin from 1971 to 1978.ref name="redbook" Cite book| last = Yeoman | first = R.S. | authorlink= Richard S. Yeoman |editor= Kenneth Bressett | title = 2008 Guide Book of United States Coins | publisher = Whitman Publishing | location = Atlanta | year = 2007 |edition= 61st | isbn = 0794822673 | pages=218, 294 Nearly 700 million of the copper-nickel clad coins were minted for general circulation, and nearly 50 million uncirculated and proof coinage|proof issues (in both copper-nickel and 40% silver varieties) were produced for collectors. eisenhowerdollarguide.com/eisenhower-dollar-mintages/ |title=Eisenhower Dollar Mintages He reappeared on a United States commemorative coin|commemorative silver dollar issued in 1990, celebrating the 100th anniversary of his birth, which with a double image of him showed his two roles, as both a soldier and a statesman. name="redbook" The reverse of the commemorative depicted his home in Gettysburg. name="redbook" As part of the Presidential $1 Coin Program, Eisenhower will be featured on a gold-colored dollar coin in 2015. usmint.gov/mint_programs/$1coin/index.cfm?action=schedule |title=Presidential Dollar Coin Release Schedule |accessdate=May 24, 2008 |publisher=United States Mint (Eisenhower on U.S. Postage) File:Eisenhower 1969 Issue-6c.jpg|thumb||155px 1st Eisenhower stamp Issue of 1969 File:Eisenhower 1990 Issue-25c.jpg|thumb|180px Issue of 1990 Like all presidents before him, Eisenhower was soon to appear on US Postage after his death in 1969. Only seven months later, a commemorative stamp in his honor was first issued on Eisenhower's birthday, October 14, 1969, at the U.S. Post Office in his home town of Abilene, Kansas. Other issues honoring Eisenhower followed in the early 1970s. The last postage stamp (to date) featuring Eisenhower was a commemorative stamp issued in 1990. In all there are six postage stamps issued by the U.S. Post Office in this president's honor. Scott Specialized Catalogue of US Stamps style="font-size:9pt">See also:US Presidents on US postage stamps

I have removed the following image to eliminate overcrowding and for insignificance per WP:image Carmarg4 (talk) 19:35, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Image:Gen. Eisenhower Avenue, Shreveport, LA IMG_2360.JPG|150px|left|thumb|Many streets across the United States are named for Eisenhower, including this residential avenue in Shreveport, Louisiana|Shreveport, Louisiana.

I have removed the following image for lack of significance per WP:image and WP:length Carmarg4 (talk) 19:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC) File:wiki eisenhower.JPG|175px|thumb|Stamp issued by the United States Postal Service|USPS in 1969 commemorating Dwight D. Eisenhower

I have removed the following image - section is too small plus link is provided. Carmarg4 (talk) 11:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC) File:Eisenhower Civitan World Citizenship Award.JPG|175px|thumb|The Civitan World Citizenship Award


 * These changes seem reasonable to me. The article looks better now.  --Coemgenus (talk) 20:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Point of view
I suggest removal of the quote his biggest foreign policy mistake was not supporting UK and France. The ref is a new paper article and I can find not statement anywhere other then a BBC article. Please provide a second source. Jacob805

Historian Andrew Roberts' excellent book shows that Eisenhower greatly regretted opposing his allies during the Suez Crisis. Vice President Nixon and Secretary of State Dulles also greatly regretted forcing Britain, France and Israel to withdraw since it saved Nasser and helped the Soviets. Dr Kissinger has called the Suez Crisis America's greatest foreign policy mistake. I remember reading in a biography of Harold Macmillan that Eisenhower quickly began to have doubts about his actions once the crisis was over. Nixon in his autobiography says that Eisenhower told him personally that he felt he had made a mistake, in the forlorn hope that Egypt would become more pro-American. The letters between Eden and Eisenhower in the summer of 1956 show that the president admitted he was in favour of using military force to remove Nasser, but only after every other option had been seen to fail. Many historians have concluded that if Eden had kept the Americans more informed, and not drawn up a plan with France and Israel in secret, then Eisenhower would not have opposed the invasion so strongly. Nixon, for his part, concluded the main reason why the Eisenhower administration had to oppose its allies in November 1956 was because it meant they could not simultaneously condemn the brutal Soviet invasion of Hungary. He also wrote that he learnt from mistakes the US made in the Suez Crisis so that he could deal with the Middle East more effectively during his own presidency, and in particular during the Yom Kippur War. (92.7.26.128 (talk) 11:38, 12 February 2011 (UTC))

On another note, I think the article should at least mention Eisenhower's treatment of the Hungarian Revolution. It was a significant occurence and deserves mention.

Agreed. That was the main reason why he could not support his allies at Suez, while simultaneously condeming the Soviet invasion of Hungary. (HantersSpade (talk) 15:52, 23 March 2011 (UTC))

I am simply going to remove it. There is no source for Eisenhower saying that it was his "greatest mistake". Nixon, in "Nixon, A life" claimed that Eisenhower later regretted his handling of the Suez. Nixon isn't a great source in the first place, but Nixon didn't claim that Eisenhower thought it was his greatest mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmarshall3 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The first place it is mentioned was uncited; the second one is cited text. Although, if someone puts in Historian Andrew Roberts' cite for the same text it would be stronger. Kierzek (talk) 23:10, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Eisenhower expressed regrets over his handling of the Suez Crisis to Jewish Republican fundraiser Max M. Fisher in October 1965. This is mentioned on page 302 of "Eisenhower and Israel: U.S.-Israeli relations, 1953-1960" by Isaac Alteras. (92.7.1.69 (talk) 15:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC))


 * But what specific change would you suggest to the article? You can even make the change yourself, if its supported by proper references.BashBrannigan (talk) 15:42, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Personally I think it is right to mention Eisenhower's regret over his handling of the Suez Crisis in the foreign policy section, but it doesn't need to be in the introduction. There has been a great revision of how people view the Crisis in recent years, particularly in light of the Gulf War and other events. At the time Eisenhower's main concern was to prevent a wider war - it has never been verified whether the Soviet threat to intervene was genuine or merely a bluff, especially as Nasser was very anti-Communist and both France and the UK had nuclear weapons. (92.7.1.69 (talk) 16:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC))

post-nominals
although his many knighthoods and honors don't make him Sir Ike, should he have post nominal letters? 98.206.155.53 (talk) 02:46, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Certainly, it is included for all UK prime ministers. (92.7.1.69 (talk) 16:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC))