Talk:Dylann Roof/Archive 1

allegedly verbally and physically abusive ??
Bennett was allegedly verbally and physically abusive towards Mann.[4]

Does this need to be there? A husband or wife claiming abuse seems to be every divorce these days. Allegedly means maybe it did. maybe it didn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.189.101.11 (talk) 02:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

"taking drugs"
Is a kind of meaningless phrase the press likes to use, but it could mean anything from a little weed here and there to a full monty of booze, pot, pills, meth, opiods, etc.. do any of the sources give more information? I believe it's relevant to understanding his state of mind (or lack thereof). -- Green  C  04:39, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * .. and I see later down the article he was found with "Suboxone, a narcotic used to treat opiate addictions", but he didn't have a prescription for it (llegal possession charge). This page has information on symptoms of abuse: "A doctor who treats opiate addicts in Palm Beach by giving them Suboxone reported that small doses like two milligrams per day will block the great majority of a person's ability to feel emotions while larger doses will make a person "practically numb." Anyway that's speculation but clearly he was into more than booze and weed. We might want to clarify that point. -- Green  C  04:49, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * He was probably previously addicted to heroin or something and as taking Suboxone to get clean. Suboxone is heavily regulated which is why he got busted for it, but no one uses it recreationally.  Andrew Keenan Richardson (talk!) 17:17, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Nope, after some researching, I was wrong. Suboxone is apparently used recreationally, as well as for treating heroin addiction.Forum users talking about suboxone useAndrew Keenan Richardson (talk!) 17:36, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Right-wing terrorist
Is that appropriate? User talk:jumplike23 21:34, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe it is. —Fitoschido [shouttrack] @ 25 June, 2015; 01:49
 * If it's not cited to a reliable source then it does not get into the article. WWGB (talk) 04:42, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

This young man does not accurately represent a "right wing" terrorist. Just a terrorist. His ideals were not far right winged - his ideals were racist. Please remove this and correct.


 * This is not supported by the sources. He has been called a racist, and it would seem pretty clear that he is.  His crime has been called a hate-crime, and it would appear pretty clear that it is.  His crime has not been identified as terrorism.  Arzel (talk) 17:56, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Not Terrorism. link  Arzel (talk) 18:00, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * In either source, No where does it say "right-wing terrorist" or even associate right wing, but it does use terrorist.User talk:jumplike23 18:55, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The term "terrorist" should be used carefully and restrainedly, see WP:TERRORIST. There is a public discussion if the shooting was an act of terrorism or not. Some say yes, some no. There are arguments for both positions. Wikipedia should not take sides. I propose to simply start the article with "Dylann Storm Roof (born April 3, 1994) is the suspected perpetrator of the Charleston church shooting, (...)"--RJFF (talk) 19:15, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * What we can say is that the DOJ is investigating it as a case of domestic terrorism . -  Cwobeel   (talk)  19:22, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Defense
Fundraising gathered almost $ 4.300.000 for his defense. read more: dylann roof supporters raise --Foreign Species (talk) 17:14, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link; this would be interesting information to add to the article if reliable sources pick it up. VQuakr (talk) 17:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It is a hoax. http://heavy.com/news/2015/06/dylann-roof-donations-has-did-dylann-roof-charleston-south-carolina-shooting-suspect-receive-4-million-donations-hoax-conspiracy-charity-defense-fund-gofundme-newswatch33-citizens-white-rights/ Richard-of-Earth (talk) 20:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, debunked on [snopes] too. 70.36.233.104 (talk) 16:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

middle name
His middle name "Storm" is rather unusual. It brings to mind Nazi connotations -- Storm Trooper, sturmfuhrer, etc. Especially given his neo-Nazi photos, etc. Were his parents known to as Nazi sympathizers, or what reason did they have for giving him this name? T-bonham (talk) 22:49, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In both police reports, Mr. Roof gave his middle name as Storm, which is popular among white supremacists and could derive from stormfront.org, a website frequented by so-called white racialists, according to Mr. Blodgett, who said he co-owned the record label for opportunist reasons and never personally harbored racist views. -- found from WSJ.--JumpLike23 (talk) 22:57, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "gave his middle name as Storm'... So is that the name on his birth certificate or not? Should be easy to find out  -- I believe birth certificates are public records.  Heck, ones from 1994 might even be accessible online. T-bonham (talk) 03:10, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

gun section
I dont know if I agree with that new long heading, and why was a bunch of content deleted in that section?

I disagree with the use of "a mass shooting" because it doesn't properly describe what's behind the link. One could easily think it leads to mass shooting This article came from that main article, and a link to it should be clear at the top. I will not engage in edit-warring. My edits on this point have been reverted several times.--JumpLike23 (talk) 11:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I only worded it with the header of Jared Lee Loughner in mind, but I did the necessary changes to both articles, so that should be fine. And if you're going to be uncomfortable with the new header, you're going to have to deal with it. There was a tag that demanded for more info in the header because it was apparently too simple, so I put in all the necessary material in for the tag to be removed. DisuseKid (talk) 05:29, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see Civility. Have a good night.--JumpLike23 (talk) 05:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What?! I was explaining myself to you! DisuseKid (talk) 05:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Killed v. Massacred v. Murdered
I agree that the use of the word killed may not be enough. People are killed in non-negligent car crashes. People are killed in plane crashes. What happened here was different. This was murder. I support murdered. I also support discussion. See for example, Columbine High School massacre, which I think is similar factually, uses massacre and murdered.--JumpLike23 (talk) 06:57, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Roof has not been convicted of murder, so use of that term in this article is inappropriate. WWGB (talk) 11:38, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Reverts
Once again, my edits reverted by DisUse Kid with no explanation or discussion. He prefers the take or leave it attitude--as he has told me himself.--JumpLike23 (talk) 00:33, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Erm, this is an article talk page. Please discuss content, not editors. You don't provide enough information about the proposed content for anyone to have an opinion. VQuakr (talk) 00:51, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I think when your contributions are being reverted, that goes to the article. I respect other editors on here who are true professionals. I am trying to not engage in an edit war as that is frowned upon. Just frustrated. For example, not linking to mass murder because 1) that article is not even on point to the content of a mass shooting 2) he has not been convicted of murder--JumpLike23 (talk) 01:03, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The second sentence in the main article is not proper english.--JumpLike23 (talk) 01:12, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

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Reporter with Dylann Roof 'scoop' exposed as serial fabricator
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roof-reporter-exposed-as-serial-fabricator/article/2582260

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Photo
I want to suggest the Roof's photo be removed from the article to diminish the encouragement inclusion of a photo may provide to those who seek notoriety via similar forms of violence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulhaiti (talk • contribs) 20:34, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 *  Reply - Per WP:MUG, I wonder if that photo should be cropped above the shoulders, if not excluded entirely from the infobox. --Jax 0677 (talk) 06:02, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Context tag
I put a context tag on "Charleston church shooting" becuase someone unfamiliar with this wouldn't understand this section as it doesn't explain what the shooting is at all, it just jumps into weapons and motives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EoRdE6 (talk • contribs) 1:17, 23 June 2015

Roof needs to be described as a domestic terrorist the same as an Islamic person would be if they did this to a wall white church! KPD11 (talk) 15:52, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Edit request: add link
In Dylann Roof in the fourth paragraph, can you link Circuit Judge J.C. Nicholson? An article about him was created after a recent RFD discussion. Thanks, 58.176.246.42 (talk) 02:28, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:56, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

In Dylann Roof federal trial, mention the US justice department is seeking the death penalty: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36375672 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.125.207.196 (talk) 22:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Please label him as a domestic terrorist which is what he is. This is what he'd be called if he were a Muslim and you know this! KPD11 (talk) 15:57, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Domestic Terror
Why is he not called what he is, terrorist?! Where is his picture? This makes you guys look bad because everyone knows what's going on here. Just tell the truth. He's a terrorist! KPD11 (talk) 15:59, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Language around "suspected" and "alleged"
Why does the language say he's suspected of committing the attacks / alleged to have committed the attacks. He's confessed to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlippi (talk • contribs) 16:11, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Language in the first paragraph
The language in the first paragraph does not refer to Dylann Roof as a mass-murderer. This is important, especially in comparison to the very recent article for Omar Mateen. Please consider this very minimally modified language, in an effort to eliminate bias in reporting:

Dylann Storm Roof is a mass murderer responsible for the June 17, 2015 Charleston church shooting.[3] During a prayer service at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, Roof opened fire with an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, killing nine African Americans, including senior pastor and state senator Clementa C. Pinckney, and injured one other person.

162.17.140.69 (talk) 17:08, 20 June 2016 (UTC)Annabelle Miller

Symbols of White Supremacy?
The opening paragraph said that he had symbols of white supremacy and Neo-Nazism. I heard about the Confederate Flags but what other symbols did he have? If it was only the Confederate Flag and symbols of Neo-Nazism then the phrase "white supremacy" should be amended as there is debate over what the Confederate Flag means (not to mention that it means different things to different people) and that calling it one thing or another violates Wikipedia's POV policy. It should read that there were pictures of him with Confederate Flags and symbols of white supremacy and Neo-Nazism or alternatively, if there were no other symbols, him with Confederate Flags and symbols of Neo-Nazism. Emperor001 (talk) 02:49, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Dwayne Marion Stafford
I'm going to submit this again because the referral from KGirlTrucker81 to look at what the previous editor said is rude useless and nonsensical. KGirlTrucker81's contrib immediately follows mine so she is referring me to something written before my contribution. That cannot therefore answer my contribution.

Why is the the assault by Dwayne Marion Stafford of any interest at all, if not to garner sympathy for Roof ? There is no consistency in this article's use of the word alleged. Why isn't the word alleged anywhere in the assault by Dwayne Marion Stafford ? That hasn't been prosecuted so the assault by Dwayne Marion Stafford is only alleged. Hmcst1 (talk) 17:09, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Agreed
I agree about the Dwayne Stafford paragraph. Given the absence of serious injury or any resulting charges, the incident seems trivial. What makes it worth noting?

I also think the lead paragraph seems strangely worded. Is he "suspected of perpetrating" the shooting, really? It seems like pointless jargon. While the exact charges and resulting sentencing may not be done yet, is there any doubt that he is the one who shot the people in the church? There were survivors who saw him shoot the people he killed, and he confessed to doing it.

I will remove the Stafford paragraph and the jargon from the lead, lacking support for leaving the page as it is.

Alienkind (talk) 00:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alienkind (talk • contribs) 23:56, 16 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I vote to keep the "2016 assault in prison" section:  this section is both relevant and well sourced. StrokeOfMidnight (talk) 01:19, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2016
Please remove all instances & variations of the words "alleged" when referring to Dylan Roof's actions as it is fact that he killed these people. It is a proven & documented fact that he is a killer. The only thing that is unknown is the reason.

Xcorinnepx (talk) 06:35, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ - his trial does not even start until next year - Arjayay (talk) 07:42, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Legally speaking, all American citizens are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. We wish all perpetrators rights were protected, but even in this situation it's not prudent to skirt the law and the Constitution; as such, "what he did" legally remains allegations until the evidence of those allegations are put through the rigor of trial and are determined to be proof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.26.2.175 (talk) 20:36, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Dylann Roof is an American mass murderer responsible for the June 17, 2015 Charleston church shooting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetruthdefendsitsself (talk • contribs) 03:32, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

In that case it's pertinent to ask whether Dylann Roof deserves notability under WP:BIO. Other mass murderers don't always get a Wikipedia page, for instance Adam Lanza doesn't, it's the event that is notable not the individual. That is especially so if you have to say he is an alleged murderer. If he isn't a murderer then how is he notable at all ? I suggest this article be be merged with Charleston church shooting and focus on the crime itself. Moreover there is no consistency in this article's use of the word alleged. Why isn't the word alleged anywhere in the assault by Dwayne Marion Stafford ? That hasn't been prosecuted so the assault by Dwayne Marion Stafford is only alleged Hmcst1 (talk) 19:46, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: As the previous editor said. KGirlTrucker81huh? what I'm been doing 21:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2016
Please specify in the article the the Synod of the Lutheran church of which he was affiliated is an Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. There are 3 types of Lutheran churches and this should be specified. 68.53.205.179 (talk) 21:31, 28 November 2016 (UTC) Please change the wording of Luthern church to Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. There are 3 types of Lutheran churches and this should be specified. 68.53.205.179 (talk) 21:33, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅. The church and the pastor are mentioned in the citation in the article here. A mention of Evangelical Lutheran Church is found in the article. I found a website for that church here that mentions it is a Evangelical Lutheran Church. I have updated the article as asked. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:26, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Northwest Front
The article states that this group participated in the 1979 Greeensboro, NC massacre. Reading the article cited as the source of this information, it appears that people who later formed the Northwest Front were involved in the Greensboro massacre (which is usually described as a clash between the left-wing Communist Workers Party, and two right-wing organizations, the KKK and the American Nazi Party. The Wikipedia article on the Greensboro massacre does not mention the Northwest Front. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2CD0:4F20:CC9E:DA1A:76A0:6303 (talk) 02:17, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Edit Request
<>\ This line needs to be removed, as it serves no point as phrased except to demonize a plant/imply a link between Roof's actions and having any history whatsoever with marijuana. Please remove this speculative, baseless, and empty point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Videsque (talk • contribs) 04:59, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

❌ WP:NOTCENSORED 03:31, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2016
Article currently states "Dylann Storm Roof[1] (born April 3, 1994) is an American white supremacist convicted of perpetrating the June 17, 2015 Charleston church shooting, also known as the Charleston church massacre.[2][3]"

I would suggest the article begin "Dylann Storm Roof[1] (born April 3, 1994) is a murderer convicted on December 15th, 2016, of perpetrating the June 17th, 2015 Charleston church shooting, also known as the Charleston church massacre.[2][3] Queenie Moonbeam (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 22:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Error In Article: Wrong Flag


One part of the article says that the subhuman posed next to a "Confederate flag" on his license plate. He did not pose next to a Confederate flag. He posed next to a Confederate battle flag used by the CSA military. People really need to get this right. --99.157.108.186 (talk) 16:34, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

POV and Article is too long
The editors are expressing POV by pushing the "mentality ill, family problems" narrative in the article.

All this info about his personal background, family etc is completely out of place. Beside him being an admitted White Supremacist and a terrorist nothing else about him needs to be mentioned.

Wikipedia is showing it's Racist White Supremacist leaning by playing Public Relation agent for Dylan Roof smh....

This article need to be shorten with only relevant info about the shooting, and not the terrorist Biopic.

I'm going to start removing un-need info! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.174.201 (talk) 00:49, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * > "Wikipedia is showing its racist white supremacist leanings"
 * What are you smoking, son?
 * --99.157.108.186 (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

dylann roof is a domestic terrorist, not a "perpetrator"
he should also have his mugshot posted, just like other domestic terrorists (e.g., tim mcveigh). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:C900:E1D0:E11F:7E46:30CF:FBA4 (talk) 08:18, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

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Redirect
Why is this an article about the person and not a redirect to the crime? (See Adam Lanza, Steven Kazmierczak, Gang Lu...) What is the criteria here? Thanks. 174.22.230.251 (talk) 05:24, 2 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Excellent question. I would guess that it has something to do with a biography of a living person vs. a biography of a deceased person, but I really don't know. I am also interested in the answer.  Mark D Worthen PsyD  06:42, 2 January 2017 (UTC)


 * ...So, I asked at the always helpful Teahouse and promptly received this answer from Gab4gab:


 * Within the notability guidelines for people the section on Crime victims and perpetrators deals with this crime or criminal article question.

Trial section way too long
Wikipedia is a summary of a person's life. If somebody is interested in making a seperate article, feel free to do so, but right now, it is way too long.

See O. J. Simpson and O. J. Simpson murder case as an example. So right now, sections like "trial preperations" are completely unnecessary for this article. Can we agree to trim down or move to a different page? Thanks Sandiego91 (talk) 20:54, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 *  Reply -, be bold! --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:09, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Go for it Sandiego91 - edits which produce a more succinct article sound good to me. :o) -  Mark D Worthen PsyD  03:34, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Why is he marked as dead?
He has only been convicted to death row, and has not been executed. There is a possibility the death row sentence could be overturned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian.pd (talk • contribs) 06:31, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

. -  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 06:36, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

The Gun
The gun they found in his car - was it used in the attack, or not?`Posing it as an openended question is leading rhetoric. Fix it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.123.135.255 (talk) 14:57, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Sentence
Roof wasn't sentenced yet. The Jury recommended the death penalty. A Judge still hasn't sentenced him to death and can still overturn/not impose the death penalty. Asking for someone to correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:46:8200:7440:1D14:B1CC:CDC9:E60E (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

- Mark D Worthen PsyD  (talk)  16:33, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2017
In this first sentence of the first paragraph, I propose changing:

During a prayer service at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, Roof killed nine African Americans, including senior pastor and state senator Clementa C. Pinckney, and injured one other person

to

During a prayer service at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, Roof killed nine people, all African Americans, including senior pastor and state senator Clementa C. Pinckney, and injured one other person

Referring to the victims simply by their race objectifies them in the eyes of this reader. 209.90.32.81 (talk) 21:05, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 21:13, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I support this change.--Khajidha (talk) 22:27, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I support it. Good catch. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:04, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I also support the change for the reason stated by the OP.  - Mark D Worthen PsyD   (talk)  16:35, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Why is there a separate article on Dylann Roof
"A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person." WP:CRIMINAL

"When an individual is significant for his or her role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both. In considering whether or not to create separate articles, the degree of significance of the event itself and of the individual's role within it should both be considered. The general rule is to cover the event, not the person"WP:SINGLEEVENT Hmcst1 (talk) 22:48, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Pursuant to the above and WP:MERGEINIT I propose that Dylann Roof be merged into Charleston Church Shooting. The proposal is made on Talk:Charleston church shooting the destination page. Hmcst1 (talk) 16:39, 22 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Disagree - He is a very notable and as most other notable criminals they have their own article. Let the page stay. AlaskanNativeRU (talk) 20:07, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2017
Remove American terrorist description. The article linked as a source is a CNN article in the OPINION section, which claims he should be characterised as such. If this is truly considered a good source then Wikipedia is useless. Thanks. Sharperimages123 (talk) 19:33, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 20:06, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Mass Murder
He meets the FBI definition so I added it. - Phone Charger (talk) 05:58, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2017
Please add the term Terrorist after White Supremacist in the first paragraph. If you only describe the Muslim mass shooters as terrorists, it's not fair and neutral and politically correct. Anyone who kills other people intentionally in a peaceful location and without any provocation is a terrorist. 103.206.230.150 (talk) 07:10, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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 * then 9-11 hijackers are not terrorists — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.163.219.65 (talk) 14:28, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Offtopic bit on Morgan Roof
A paragraph about Morgan Roof trouble on the day of walkout was added to this article. As it is not part of Dylan's actions it seems WP:OFFTOPIC and also a violation of WP:BLP1E -- it made the news because they could say 'the sister of Dylan' - so I reverted it per BRD, and that got reverted in turn but no mention so I'm pinging and inviting comments. User:1bcdbackup -- how is this about DYlan Roof ?

The text in question is :

Please comment on inclusion or exclusion or alterations below. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 18:13, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I believe this is relevant because this happened on the same day of a national walkout related to the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting and the incident made the headlines of The New York Times. |Link 1bcdbackup (talk) 22:42, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


 * User:1bcdbackup - ???? And Dylan Roof, who is the topic of this article ????  Markbassett (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Removing this - since there has been no explanation of how Morgan Roofs act is Personal Background for Dylan Roof -- I am removing it. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 00:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I added it originally and believe it is relevant- if his sister completed a notable action it is worthy of mention. If other pages mention the siblings of the individuals they describe, (especially ones that have done noteworthy actions) then this one should also. In addition, her act was similar in character to her brother's violent and white supremacist actions. This shows that it is likely that (at least some part of) Dylan Roof's family agrees and may have helped foster his views. It also provides a further insight into the type of family he was raised in and shows a potential deeper layer to his motivations. I would like to add it back. Embuuzy (talk) 15:53, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2018
The term African American should be capitalized in the last paragraph. 2016 assault in prison

On August 4, 2016, Roof was reportedly beaten by a fellow inmate while detained at the Charleston County Detention Center. Roof, who suffered hits and bruising to the face and body, was not seriously injured, and he was allowed to return to his cell after being examined by jail medical personnel. The inmate was identified as 25-year-old African American Dwayne Marion Stafford, who was awaiting trial on charges of first-degree assault and strong-arm robbery. Stafford was able to exit his unlocked cell, get through a steel cell door with a narrow vertical window, and go down the stairs into the jail's protective custody unit to reach Roof. At the time of the attack, Roof was alone after two detention officers assigned to be with him left, one being on break and the other called away to do another task.[152][153][154][155] 2600:1700:BD60:86A0:594E:BA9D:6A5C:7486 (talk) 23:27, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 04:14, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2018
Under Dylann Roof, in the “Personal Background” paragraph, White Knoll High School is singled out. Lexington County School District One would like for this school name to be changed or removed because there are MANY other schools he also attended. He did not even graduate from a Lexington District One school (White Knoll High School). This implies false information.

“In nine years, Roof attended at least seven schools in two South Carolina counties, including White Knoll High School in Lexington, in which he repeated the ninth grade, finishing it in another school. He apparently stopped attending classes in 2010 and, according to his family, dropped out of school and spent his time alternating between playing video games and taking drugs, such as Suboxone.[10][11][13][18][19] He was on the rolls of a local Evangelical Lutheran congregation, but it was unclear if he had recently attended.[20]”

LexieOwens (talk) 17:27, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 12:27, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Remove "religiously motivated violence" category
This was not motivated by religion; it was motivated by racism. 142.167.242.182 (talk) 19:57, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Context of the shooting
This article described the shooting as taking place during a "prayer service," yet most sources describe the event as a "Bible study." More specifically, they say the shooting took place during a prayer at the end of a Bible study. Bneu2013 (talk) 21:34, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Several issues I have about the article
1. The word "terrorist" or "terrorism" isn't mentioned once in the article. The shooting is clearly terroristic in nature. White supremacy and neo-Nazism are obviously ideologies, and this attack was done for those reasons. The people he attacked certainly weren't combatants either. Usually I hate the following argument as it's usually used disingenuously. I do have to ask however, would it still not be labelled as a terrorist attack if the attacker was not white, and the attack was instead motivated by anti-Christian sentiments rather than anti-black ones?

2. Under "earlier contacts with police" it mentions him asking employees "unsettling" questions. What were these questions?

3. I do support an article being made on him, but why is he one of the very few mass shooters to get their own article? I think having as much information as possible on all mass murderers would be good. (Almost) all serial killers get articles, so why not mass shooters?

Alex of Canada (talk) 09:56, 13 December 2018 (UTC)


 * User:Alex of Canada
 * 1 - the archive has mention that label was disputed, so it looks like WP:TERRORIST guided to the non-disputed ‘mass murderer’. This seems common in List of mass shootings in the United States.
 * 3 - I suspect those that the better known ones have articles. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 04:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't see how terrorist is anymore "value-laden" than mass murderer is. Both have extremely negative connotations. Alex of Canada (talk) 06:51, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * User:Alex of Canada but being disputed within WP, the TERRORIST guidance is to avoid that disputed LABEL. Externally it also was mentioned as inappropriate since the intent was not terror nor he a part of a terrorist group.  On the other hand, murder is not on the list of contentious LABEL, and he was convicted of mass murder so that is simply conveying external fact.  This seems the norm for mass shootings anyway.   Cheers Markbassett (talk) 01:34, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Terrorism always has a political objective. Being the author of a manifesto does not make someone a terrorist. A terrorist has to think that their actions will put pressure on someone in power or disrupt the normal workings of a state. Roof said that he chose the church because he disliked blacks. That is a motive for mass murder, but I can't see a political objective in either his choice of target or his post-offense behavior (letting himself be captured). Oglach na hEireann (talk) 07:23, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

2019 Updates
This article needs updates on the appeals process. It appears that an appeal in the 4th cirucit was filed in may of 2017, but I can't find the resoution of it. In any event it needs to be mentioned in this article to maintain WP:NPOV. 24.155.244.245 (talk) 00:08, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Dylann Roof went to other school districts after he left Lexington School District One at the end of the 10th grade. He entered WKHS on 08-19-2009 and then exited on 02-17-2010.

LexieOwens (talk) 12:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)Lexington District One Communications 09/06/2019

June, 2020: The arrest is back in the news, contrasting his treatment after arrest (especially the purchase of Burger King food) with police brutality against black suspects during arrest or in custody. It's a newsworthy detail of Dylann Roof's arrest and interrogation. The Snopes article has a summary. I would add: While in custody awaiting questioning, he was provided food from Burger King, although later reports have confused this with police taking Roof to Burger King. (inserted after "Police in Shelby deferred his questioning to the FBI.[77] ") 2601:647:5500:71:FC21:1E9F:87C7:5D3B (talk) 17:26, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Assault in prison section
This section, while detailed in its information, needs retitled. He was assaulted while at a county jail, not in a prison. They are two separate and distinctly different facilities. Assault in Jail would be a better and more accurate headline. 174.241.8.196 (talk) 01:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Personal background : Too long and reads more like an apologist for a race terrorist
Sometimes our notability guidelines forces us to create stand-alone articles for people who do not deserve an article of their own. This is one of them. I am more interested in the creation of stand-alone articles for the victims than for this animal (apologies to the animal kingdom). That's however a topic for another day. I am however concerned about the "Personal background" section. It is too long, full of waffle and irrelevant stuff, but most frighteningly, reads like an apologist. First, I would change the title from "personal background" to "early life" like most of our articles. I am not interested in his parents and their relationships, neither am I interested in his father's divorce and remarriage. This article is about this animal, not about his parents and their marital problems and relationships. This section reads more like an apologist to me - i.e. his parents and their marital problems when he was growing up caused him to behave like a savage by gunning down innocent people (who have welcomed him to their church) simply because of the colour of their skin. There are millions of people around the world who grew up in abusive households but do not grow up to be white supremacist race terrorists - which is exactly what this thing is and should be addressed as such. According to this section:


 * His parents had divorced but were temporarily reconciled at the time of his birth. When Roof was five, his father married Paige Mann (née Hastings) in November 1999; they divorced after ten years of marriage.

Who cares? Not only is it irrelevant, but it gives the impression that the seeds are being planted into my head so that I can have compassion for this race terrorist simply because he came from a broken home. The article then went on:


 * Bennett Roof was allegedly verbally and physically abusive toward Mann.

He was either verbally and physically abusive or not. A woman cannot be "a little bit pregnant." She is either pregnant or not. Besides, who cares? This article is about his race terrorist son, not about the father. This irrelevant detail may be perceived as trying to disarm the reader or influence them to take pity on this animal - i.e. he grew up in an abusive household hence the reason he did what he did. We are then hit by another irrelevant apologist nonsense as follows:


 * The family mostly lived in South Carolina, though from about 2005 to 2008, they temporarily moved to the Florida Keys. There is no information about Roof attending local schools there.

Does anyone really care? Do we have to chronicle all his previous addresses? This irrelevant details gives me the impression that he was not settled and that might have contributed to his barbarism. And then we are hit with the following:


 * According to a 2009 affidavit filed for Mann's divorce, Roof exhibited "obsessive compulsive behavior" as he grew up, obsessing over germs and insisting on having his hair cut in a certain style. When he was in middle school, he exhibited an interest in smoking marijuana, having once been caught spending money on it.

Another apologist waffle as far as I'm concerned. To me, this section seems like it is trying to disarm the reader and influence them to take pity on him. In other words, he had a difficult life because his parents' marital problems, his father's abusiveness and his unsettle life made him exhibit certain behaviours, which in turn led him to try out drugs and other illegal activities behaviour finally performing his evil act on a group of African-Americans who were kind enough to welcome him into their church and treated him well. I do not see any ownership/accountability here. All I see is "apologist" waffle, and blaming his wickedness on his personal upbringing. Again, millions of people go through hell growing up, but do not become white supremacist race terrorists. This article (especially this section) needs a totally rewrite.Tamsier (talk) 19:14, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * He is a notable figure and thus his background is relevant. Winston Churchill burned to death thousands of women and children in Dresden. Should we omit his background too? Oglach na hEireann (talk) 07:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This comparison is wrong and misleading (and I am German). Churchill's war strategy led to the death of thousands, but it was a WAR strategy. A war that was supposed to stop the German Nazi regime, which killed and tortured millions of people. Dylann Roof was a racist who killed nine completely innocent African Americans. It is important to still see him as a human, but there shouldn't be the slightest understanding of his actions. Especially if it reads more like an apologist for a race terrorist. --Baumfreak (talk) 13:09, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

"Neo-Nazi"
The source cited on Dylann Roof doesn't describe him as a Neo-Nazi anywhere in the text. Until someone can prove me otherwise, I suggest it be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZoomerEn (talk • contribs) 23:06, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You're correct that ref #1 does not contain that information, so I've cut that instance of it. The relevant information is in fact provided by the second ref at the end of the sentence (ref #3). Generalrelative (talk) 23:22, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

News citations are dead links
so many of the cites here need links to their archived versions including at least 1 from Yahoo News and one from The Oklahoman. morsontologica (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)