Talk:Dysmenorrhea/Archive 1

Level of pain
Some women say that even bad cramps are nowhere near labour pain, others say that some cramps can be worse and some gynaecologists would explain that because both sorts of pain are similar in cause and therefore the pain of each varies for woman to woman, who is right?

Contradiction
Under "Dysmenorrhea," it says dysmenorrhea "does not appear to be affected by childbearing," but under risk factors "nulliparity" is listed. Why the apparent contradiction? 72.181.235.222 23:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)Brian Answer some women have no cramps after child bearing, but some don't.

The cited study seems to contradict the effectiveness of accupuncture for pain relief. This should probably be re-written. Jredwards 06:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

The sentence "although some pain is normal during menstruation, abnormal pain is not" is circular reasoning. Obviously abnormal pain is not normal. What makes this pain "abnormal" and thus distinguishes it from "normal" pain? Does the author mean excessive pain is not normal?68.101.70.151 21:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)Britt

Yes I think most women have times in their fertile life when they have light cramps but some women have geuine dysmenhorrea.

Most women who have suffered from Dysmenorrhea had times where they didn't suffer from it - they can tell the difference. Fdskjs 19:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Survey
I've just added a Norwegian study to this article. It had been incorrectly placed in the PMS article. The fantastic people at WP:WikiProject Norway provided a translation of the ref. See this discussion for more information. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Reimprove template
Having removed the refimprove template from this article on the basis that there were few fact tags in it and no discussion of the template here, I have been directed to previous edits which make it clear this was an error on my part. Accordingly, I have reinstated the individual fact tags in the Secondary Dysmenorrhoea section which were placed by User:Kusunose and removed by User:WhatamIdoing. It's extremely important for an editor looking to add refs to be able to see where other editors have requested them, and ideally to be able to see a rationale for those requests on the talk page.

The one I didn't reinstate related to prostaglandins, as I believe this is covered by reference 3 (Wright & Wyatt). Nmg20 (talk) 07:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Kusunose did not place those ref tags; all they did was disambiguate Japan. This is why we should use diffs; then it would be clear that I was the one who added the cite requests. 66.30.20.71 (talk) 11:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Unreferenced statements moved here
In this edit, I removed several unreferenced statements from the article. Here they are, if anyone would like to reference and replace them:


 * Prostaglandins sensitise nociceptors to pain, so the pain threshold is lowered. Uterine contractions cause pain, which is more sensitively felt.  Prostaglandin levels have been found to be much higher in females with severe menstrual pain than in females who experience mild or no menstrual pain.


 * Drugs which inhibit the production of prostaglandins, such as the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) naproxen, ibuprofen and mefenamic acid can provide relief for the pain associated with high prostaglandin release.


 * The mechanism of action involves reducing menstrual blood volume, and suppressing ovulation. It may take up to three months of treatment to experience relief.


 * Hormonal treatments such as danazol, progestational agents, GnRH agonists, and progestins may be used.


 * In severe cases, interruption of uterine nerves by presacral neurectomy and division of the sacrouterine ligaments may be used when other treatment options fail.


 * Approximately 24% of females who report pelvic pain are subsequently found to have endometriosis. Other causes include pelvic inflammatory disease,


 * Some find that use of internally-worn menstrual products (such as tampons and menstrual cups) exacerbate dysmenorrhea.


 * The mechanisms causing the pain of secondary dysmenorrhea are varied, and may or may not involve prostaglandins. Secondary dysmenorrhea is less related to the onset of bleeding in menstruation, is seen in older females, and is sometimes associated with other conditions, such as infertility.


 * The most effective treatment of secondary dysmenorrhea is the identification and treatment of the underlying cause of the pain. The first line of treatment is medical; if possible, the underlying medical disorder or anatomic abnormality is corrected. Dilation of a narrow cervical os may give 3 to 6 months of relief, and allows diagnostic curettage if needed. Myomectomy, polypectomy, or dilation and curettage may be needed.


 * The medical options used for relieving pain in secondary dysmenorrhea are similar to those used in primary dysmenorrhea.


 * Edit: Another, removed in this edit, is here:
 * "While the symptoms of primary dysmenorrhea are generally limited to the time around menses, in secondary dysmenorrhea, they may extend further through the menstrual cycle."


 * Edit 2: Another, removed in this edit, is here:
 * "The symptoms of secondary dysmenorrhea vary with the underlying cause, but are similar to those of primary dysmenorrhea."


 * Edit 3: Another, removed in this edit, is here:
 * "An increased body temperature just before menstruation is due to prostaglandins acting on hypothalamic neurons, which are involved in body temperature regulation. The nausea and vomiting is caused by the prostaglandins acting on the chemoreceptor trigger zone."

Thanks. 66.30.20.71 (talk) 13:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have reverted one of your deletions. It was fact-tagged recently, and it is almost certainly accurate.  You need to be a little slower in pulling the trigger on these.  (Have you spent any time looking for citations before deleting them?  While it's your 'right' to delete material, we'll get a better article sooner if you find sources instead of deleting information just because you're allowed to.)  WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Suggested citations for further improvements
I briefly looked at this article and made some changes to fix some obvious howlers in its paragraph on chiropractic care and to add some info about OCPs and whatnot, but I see that there are several more problems too. It would be nice if someone with more time could take a look at the following recent reviews on the subject, and use the information in them to improve this article.

Eubulides (talk) 08:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Added "Explanation" section.
Not too long ago, I was very, very upset when I came here and saw that this article had absolutely no explanation as to what causes menstrual cramps, so I took matters into my own hands and added it myself. Morons. Pastel kitten (talk) 20:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that your Explanation section should be under Primary Dysmenorrhea, because in secondary dysmenorrhea, by definition the pain is due to a medical condition, not just the release of prostaglandins from the uterus. 76.102.0.209 (talk) 06:42, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I was going to post here and ask why the hell this page has a better explanation of cramps than the page on menstruation. 67.8.234.28 (talk) 17:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Dysmenorrhea and mammals
Is dysmnorrhea typical of evey species of mammals or is it just a women's problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.12.161.215 (talk) 09:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I would like to add a video to the Dysmenorrhea
I had added a couple of paragraphs and a video to the Dysmenorrhea page, but my edits were undone. I now recognize that my text was redundant. However, I think the video is educational and is not redundant. I would still like to add it.

I am hoping that once you review the video you will agree. Please see video at the following link: http://www.menastil.com/contentserverfree.cfm?passed_tag=Dysmenorrhea%20Video

Since it is instructional and uses spoken words and images to further the text included in the Explanation section, I am hoping that the link can be included there to make it more likely that people might easily find it and use it.

Thank you for your consideration.

Steve

Santonellis (talk) 05:57, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Since it's an external links, it would have to be placed under ==External links==. Generally, however, links to video/rich media are discouraged, because it's not accessible to all of our readers, especially those with older computers or limited internet connections.  You'd have to make a case that's compelling enough to justify ignoring WP:ELNO #8.  Having clicked the link, I don't see anything in the video that isn't already described in the text.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Exercise
I think it would be useful to mention that studies have shown that exercise does not alleviate symptoms of dysmenorrhea, a common anecdote, but I don't really see a place to put it. What does everyone think?
 * Recent study —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.117.123 (talk) 17:16, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Sexual healing?
Does sex ease the pain? That's what I've heard but I don't know. I was surprised it's not mentioned in the article. 85.77.238.218 (talk) 08:06, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Posture
When we were at school, we were given a talk in which we were told that sitting up straight would improve the symptoms of period pain. I feel sceptical about this, but wonder if there's any scientific basis to it? Have there been any studies into the effects of posture on the pain levels? Crinoline (talk) 13:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Preference for one definition over another, not for wikipedia to decide but for our sources to decide...
"This article uses the dysmenorrhea definition of menstrual pain that interferes with daily activities, and uses the term menstrual pain as any pain during menstruation whether it is normal or abnormal."

...I don't like this sentence...although I can see it is not strictly speaking OR, there is a suggestion that the wikipedia article has cherry picked one type of definition from several available. Should we let the most notable sources dictate the "best" definition, e.g. are there any Cochrane reviews available? Having said that, I can see how it makes the rest of the article more precise in the use of these terms and I can't think of an obvious way that the above could be rephrased. I also sympathize with trying to write a wikipedia article on a subject where there is no standardized definition and you need to use the terms consistently within the article. Lesion ( talk ) 13:27, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I came here for a layperson definition of this term to put in brackets after wikilinking it in another article. I think I go with "excessive period pains" since this is sort of midway between the available definitions (there you go I'm cherry picking a definition too, feel free to call me a hypocrite). Lesion  ( talk ) 13:32, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:51, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

NSAIDs
If people want an exhaustive list they can click on the link. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:04, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Pain
This is a small primary source. Would need something better

The pain experienced during dysmenorrhea can reach that experienced during renal colic.

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:56, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm having trouble to differentiate cause from mechanism, how about rejoining the both categories under one category (that can have multiple subcategories)?
thanksWalidou47 (talk) 21:37, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Moved content to here from menstruation
I have just moved some content to this article from menstruation. I hope it fits well, might still need a bit of tweaking. The intention was to not discuss dysmenorrhea in detail in two different Wikipedia articles. EMsmile (talk) 12:49, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Systemic misogyny
This article still pathologizes a normal biological process. It requires a tone shift. Dysmenorrhea is just the clinical term and can range from healthy - normal to requiring treatment. As the numbers show, if up to 91% experience dysmenorrhea, not experiencing cramping is ABNORMAL and may reflect an underlying heal condition. Felis Bieti (talk) 18:42, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

inflammation.15 - is it a typo?
Not sure if .15 is a typo in the following paragraph:

"This gene encodes a protein essential for the regulation of immunity and inflammation.15 While the mechanism of how it influences PD has yet to be discovered, it is assumed that possible mutations in IL1A or genes which interact with it impact the regulation of inflammation during menstruation" Merlin.anthwares (talk) 18:48, 28 July 2023 (UTC)