Talk:E-123 Omega/Archive 1

Picture Request
This Omega article really needs a picture or two. Could someone upload one please? --anon

I would gadly upload a pic, but it's just that no other promotional image of Omega has been since Sonic Heroes. That pic is already up here. I guess I could try and put up a screenshot. UnDeRsCoRe 18:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I put up an in-game screenshot of Team Dark. UnDeRsCoRe 19:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Theme Songs
Why would "Waking Up" be Omega's theme? He may have been an important part in neutral missions, but it's obviously not his theme! I removed it, anyway. UnDeRsCoRe 18:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Waking up breaking out....this is what it's like to be free.
 * Rip it up, tear it down....this is what it means to be free!

The lyrics actually fit Omega when you think of it. I've saved the song as just that in my personal collection. It's really just a credit song.GrandMasterGalvatron 15:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

THE SONG WAKING UP IS NOT OMEGA'S THEME SONG. IT IS THE NEUTRAL STORY THEME SONG, JUST LIKE ALMOST DEAD IS NOT BLACK DOOM'S THEME SONG.


 * Yeah, I gotta say he's right. After all, "All Hail Shadow" just doesn't seem like Sonic's theme song for some strange reason. (sarcasm much?)MegaWhatt 22:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Quotes
You know, we need to erase some of these quotes and replace them with something less redundant. --anon

By the way i added the bit about the animal inside E-123 Omega, i know it's never mentioned but there is no reason for Eggman to change his animal to robot techniques (except of couse E-102 Gamma). -- Roboshi aka Thomas Ellinson

I took the liberty of deleting the Quotes section all together. Based on the material that was there, it just seemed pointless. --Danish Ranger 00:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Translate data from Sonic Channel website?
Since the Personality section might have original research how about translate the data from the Japanese website? I can't since my Japanese is like Level 1. Tikal-chan 15:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say anything we already don't know. Omega is the most powerful E-Series machine and was sealed with Shadow (the leaked script for Sonic the Hedgehog says it was in case Shadow ever woke up, Omega was to take him down).  Omega got pissed that he got sealed up and took revenge on all of Eggman's bots.  It also says he has weapons in his arms.
 * Once the script leak is proven true, we can add that bit in.GrandMasterGalvatron 15:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Created by Eggman???
shouldnt the bit where it says he was made by eggman be in the in-universe info section.

Isn't that common knowledge? I mean: Eggman creates E-Series. Omega-last of E-Series. Eggman created Omega. Seriously, just bout everyone knows that. ChromeWulf ZX 20:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe u should read what I wrote.

Maybe you should learn to take the time to spell correctly. Regardless, I can't believe that went unattended for so long. The "creators" part is supposed to say which real person designed the character, not who made him in the games. Gurko 10:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Two Omegas in Sonic Next-Gen
I just realized, after the first Mephiles boss fight in the 2006 Sonic game, there are two Omegas in the present, since the Omega who had just reactivated in the future went back in time with Shadow. Does this qualify as noteworthy?MegaWhatt 23:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah it was undone, just like Sonic's... you know that spoiler already Cigraphix 23:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Dead link
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Team Dark image
There used to be a team dark image but that got deleted but I've found a couple others I think we could use this, or this as a replacement.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 15:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

The Sega Project Assessment
Hi, I'm here from Wikiproject Sega, better known as The Sega Project. I'm here on behalf of the assessment department of that project to assess this article per the request made to the project. Like with most of my standard assessments, I'll put what I think is good, what needs improvement and how to go about it, and my overall opinion.

So let's start with what's good:
 * The opening paragraph is large and comprehensive of the content of the article, and even has a reference.
 * It looks like most of the bases have been covered on the content, and the article covers much information.

Okay, and now what needs improvement:
 * This is the English Wikipedia, and reading a Japanese site for references can be straining to people who are not bilingual. Now, it can stay if no English equivalent can be found, but an English equivalent that is NOT machine translated is much preferred over the Japanese site.  I've made that mistake before, so that's just a little piece of advice.
 * Some of the sections are missing references completely. For these, citing the game manuals (and maybe citing them multiple times) can serve as a good source.  Check out WP:REF and WP:CITET for more information on how to do this with a reference template, which makes life easier.  Also, look for more references in general for the entire article, but especially for sections without any references at all, because this can be seen as original research and could be challenged and removed.
 * Be careful about using too much plot regurgitation in the "Game appearances" section. See WP:PLOT for more information. Keep these sections short and sweet, without getting into too much rehashing.  This also makes it easier to find sources for this information.

That said, here's my verdict: This article does not meet with what is defined as B-class by the standards of WP:SEGA/A (see the Quality Scale for more information on the standards). It remains a Start-class article because of the above problems. Hopefully, though, my assessment has given you some insight on how this article can be improved. If you want to have the article assessed again later, just put it back up under the new requests for assessment. If you have questions, comments, or anything else, you can contact me on my talk page or ask the project at the Sega Project Assessment Department talk page. Red phoenix 526 (Talk) 16:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The article now meets with what is defined as B-class. Fair field fencer (talk) 13:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Images
The two extra images are practically identical to the lead one, do not reference anything that is discussed in the text, and thus fail our non-free policies, notably WP:NFCC and WP:NFCC. Thanks, Black Kite 13:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there anything I could do to change that? Fair field fencer  F F F  15:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Usually, I'd say that you'd need a critical discussion of the images in the article. But the three images are so similar that I think you'd struggle to meet NFCC even if you did that.  You have to think of it not from the perspective of someone familiar with the character such as yourself, but from the casual reader.  I know a bit about the subject, and I struggled to see much difference between them even with the text mentioning it. Black Kite 17:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In all honesty, the only reason I uploaded the 2D image was to make the article look better. Could I put back the 3D one and delete the 2D? Fair field fencer  F F F  18:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind the image has been put on E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog). It replaced the 2006 version. Fair field fencer  F F F  13:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Why?
Why has Omega's page been cut down so much? We'll end up losing a major character's article here! Can anyone help rebuild it?  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  13:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's part of a plan to cut down the fancruft. (Details here.) Fair field fencer  F F F  13:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I can see where you're coming from, but important info has been removed from several Sonc articles.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  15:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What you and me see as important they see as fancruft. Fair field fencer  F F F  15:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Getting this article back
I have been working on Omega's article on another wiki for a while now and am trying to make it an article on here. The work there is from the original article on Wikipedia before it was merged. I figured I'd hit two birds with one stone by helping out this article and possibly bringing it back to Wikipedia. I already have opinions from four members of WikiProject Video games on how to get it back, (Red Phoenix, SynergyBlades, Randomran and A Man In Black). AMIB says it needs reliable references from non-fan sites and ones not employed by SEGA. RP says it needs sources that establish Omega's importance outside of the Sonic universe because of WP:FICT. Randomran says the plot sections and unreliable fan-site need to be cut, and it needs sources that establish Omega's importance outside of the sonic universe, which can only really come from reliable third-party sources like game journalists, game scholars, and so on... And SynergyBlades says I need to get rid of most of the in-universe detail. These are the things that can bring this article back. Most of that stuff can be done except for one thing at the moment. Establishing Omega's importance outside of the Sonic series. So I need whoever's reading this to help by telling me if you've seen an article or something like that made by a game journalist in a magazine or a website. Once that's done, E-123 Omega will be back on Wikipedia with his own article. Fair field fencer  F F F  20:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)