Talk:E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog)

Zero
Nobody knows if Zero is E-100 Alpha. IP recorded 0:17 (GMT +1), 28 February 2006

Read the note, unless you have a reliable site/source to prove that information wrong. Lord Falcon 00:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I did read the note and there is a problem in my view. According to you, I could change E-100 Alpha in E-150 Digamma (or whatever) and you would not be able to find a reliable site/source to prove that information wrong. Because nobody knows if Zero is E-100 Alpha (or whatever except Zero). Regards. IP recorded 20:15 (GMT +1), 28 February 2006

Either it is 100a or it is not a e-series, since Sonic Team stated Omega is the last & most powerful e-100. Lord Falcon 23:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree with you on these two points. So, why are we assuming that Zero belongs to the E-Series? If nobody knows about a piece of information, then it should not appear in Wikipedia. And if I had to, I would not bet that Zero is an E-Series, for two reasons. It doesn't look like the rest of the E-Series robots (including Omega) which are clearly anthropomorphic (so even if I also think there was an Alpha somewhere, a sort of prototype, it would have been very odd that the prototype was so different from the rest of the series). And if it was an E-Series, I think it would have been logical that it was clearly known as a member of the E-series and it would have played an important role in the E-102's Story (in SA). Actually, I think we are assuming something that is likely to be false. Regards. IP recorded 19:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

The letter e is written on zero's body, he also has the square with the two eyes in, other than some other eyes. He also has the same lock-on sight, I think that he is e-0 because he is called zero.

I have to admit this is a much better explanation, it makes sense. So Zero would not be an E-100 Series but an E Series though. It's still a conjecture but a much more convincing one. IP recorded 19:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Did Sonic Adventure or Sonic X give any clues? How about "E-100 Alpha" Zero, instead? Lord Falcon 03:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

On the original Dreamcast version of Sonic Adventure, there was an internet connectivity feature that took you to a special web site. The site included simple walkthroughs for each of the characters' games, and in Amy's walkthrough, I remember it called Zero "E-100" (I don't remember if it was "E-100 Zero" or what, but I definitely remember he was E-100). I assume this web site is down, though (anyone with a Dreamcast still hooked up want to give it a shot?), but I remember this very distinctly. --typhoon 04:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

E-121 Phi
According to the Greek alphabet Phi should be E-120 not E-121. Unless it calls him E-121 in the game I think this should be changed..--I don't have a username 1:14, 27 August 2005

E-1013 Rook and Egg Pirate
What's that robot? I don't remember that robot in the game. Oh and Egg Pirate also.--I don't have a username 5:18, 05 October 2005

E-102 Gamma Picture
I really think that the E-102 picture doesn't match because it should show the E-series, not just Gamma. Also, Gamma has such a small section that his picture doesn't deserve to be up there. --anon

27/1/06 I think that every section deserves a picture

Elite series
How can you be sure that all minor enemies (such as Boa-Boa or kiki) are given an E-something title. Maybe 'E' stands for Elite and this is why Gamma and Omega are so much better than the rest.

Beacuse I don't think Eggman would just skip to 100 in his robots. They also have numbers in Sonic X and that's all his robots so that proves it.Pokemega32 17:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Just that only robots that look a bit like gamma are actually called e-series ( with the exception of phi.

G-Mel
When foes it call him Gemerl? Isn't it G-Mel? He also shouldn't be E-122, because he's not a Greek letter. And he was created after Omega.Pokemega32 17:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

To be a e-series robot or considered one, one doesn't have to contain a greek name or letter. Gemerl (also occasionally referred to as Gemel, G-Mel, or simply Emerl) If you can find websites to prove any information wrong, do it, and put the link here. Lord Falcon 02:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't have a link, but I didn't say he couldn't be an E-Series robot, I said he couldn't be an E-100 Series robot. All E-100 Series are Greek letters.Pokemega32 02:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

You should've stated exactly that. The "Robots from other games" section I believe shouldn't even be there. Everything there should already be listed somewhere else in the article or on the "Shadow the Hedgehog (vg)" article. As for "E-122" Gemerl, you should look into that, I'll see what I can do. Lord Falcon 02:56, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

E-100 Zero
Didn't E-100 Zero used to have an article? What happened to it? --anon

It wasn't needed. We don't even know if Zero is a e-series robot to begin with. Lord Falcon 03:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, but even if he isn't an e-series robot, couldn't he still have his own article? --anon

Robots from the advance series
Shouldn't we include the robots from the advance series are they not e-series or are they badniks.

I'll like to see the robots, give me a link, I'm not familair with the series. Lord Falcon 03:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

This is teh best I can find and I think it is the Japanese names http://ghz.emulationzone.org/sonic/advance/advance.html I can't find anything from the other series

Genders?
Seems like there's some mixed pronoun usage in here, referring to some of the robots as "he" or "it" almost randomly. It's not a big deal, but perhaps we should universalize them to be genderless. I know Gamma had a masculine voice (as well as a male voice actor), but the fact of the matter is that regardless of what electronic noise comes out, they're still supposed to be non-living robots. And, hey, the little pink bird inside the original E-102 (its only living component) may have even been female. Matt S. 18:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Gamma is not a cyborg. This is vandalism.
I'm not sure if someone thinks it's just a joke or what, but continuing to replace robot with cyborg isn't doing much to make you look intelligent. If you want to keep playing this ridiculous edit war, though, I'm up for it. I've got a minute to spare every day. --Matt S. 18:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I just had to revert an edit about that. maybe we should request semi-protection?-- a c1983fan-Talk 15:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems like it. Maybe whoever it is will get tired of goofing off in a few days, though. --Matt S. 01:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Quick update: Just found out this kid's also vandalizing the E-102 Gamma article. It's probably best to keep an eye on both for now. --Matt S. 01:35, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

How do we know it's vandalism? This person could just think that it's correct and change it (and how do we even know it's a kid?). So we should just talk to that person or leave or note. --71.104.180.139 19:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it has been removed repeatedly and the person Doesn't stop it. The first time, it wasn't vandalism, the second time, vandalism.-- A  c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 20:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It's also possible that it's the person firm belief that Gamma is a cyborg. For instance, when I first edited Wikipedia, I was dead set on having some section because I thought it was true (now I know it isn't). So the person might keep putting it back, thinking it's true. --71.105.7.27 06:07, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Notes were left in the edit history prior to this comment being added to the talk section. It'd be good common sense to check the edit history if you find one of your edits repeatedly removed.

--Matt S. 01:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I know, but at that time, I didn't see the history section. --71.105.4.194 01:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Vandalism is the blatent and malicious insertion of mislead material, and sometimes the repeated introduction of material after being inquired to cease. This is unwanted, but not vandalism.


 * On the information, there is a argument for the cyborg term. Technically, the E-series consists of animal creatures melded within and combined into the being of a mechanical body for battle purposes. Being a mixture of an organic core and robotic body, the E-series could be classified as a cyborg although I'm not going to insert that into the article.


 * When the robot shell is destroyed, it releases the core animal. -ZeroTalk 02:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The creator of the E-series still calls them robots. FullMetal Falcon 16:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * According to Webster's online dictionary, cyborg specifically refers to a cybernetically enhanced human. But, for the sake of fair argument, let's look past that to the possibility that the word could refer to any cybernetically enhanced organism. Let it be known I've already thought of the fact that there are living creatures inside, as I'm sure many others have. I'm not sure why the "cyborg" title doesn't apply in this context, but the fact of the matter is that, well, it doesn't. I'm not sure of wikipedia's policies regarding this, but this is a fictional character, and the company that owns the rights to the character pretty flatly states that it is a robot, as do characters in the game, to my recollection. I'm sure most of us would rather not get into the (presumably nonexistent) logistics of it since this is just a video game, but so that I don't seem like a mindless anti-cyborg zombie editor, here's a crack at it: Perhaps it's because the animals are simply being used as power sources for the robots, and not as integral components. In some Sonic games, the robots drop rings or Chaos Drives (though the aforementioned machines that drop Chaos Drives aren't owned/operated by Dr. Eggman), so it's possible that different power sources may be usable in this series' universe. Plus, the animals clearly aren't surgically connected to the machines in any way, if that makes any particular difference. --Matt S. 05:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

E-10000o?
I noticed that all the other E-10000s have capitalized letters (E-10000G, E-10000R, E-10000Y, E-10000B), but the orange E-10000 isn't E-10000O, it's E-10000o. Is this correct? I'm hesitant to change it, because I might be wrong. Can someone clarify which one is correct? RememberMe? 03:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ithink it's just like that so you can tell the difference between the 0 and the O.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 21:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought about that, but look at this: 0O. You can easily tell the difference. RememberMe? 14:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

E Series Mean bean machine robots
Do these seem to be E robots? It's hard to tell,actually. They're too large to be badniks... P.S. Could sombody make it 7.0? It's not a part of Sonic X robots.
 * They do not seem to be E-Series robots, as Mean Bean Machine is not canonical. Furthermore, they would all have to follow a basic design to be considered in the E-Series. Add this with the section's overall lack of neatness, and I think it constitutes being cut out of the article. I've done such myself, but if anyone contests this they may put it back. Evan1109


 * Some folks may argue you to the grave about the "canonical" nature of certain Sonic games, as the general viewpoint of the more staunch Sega of America production fans is that anything licensed by Sega is "canon." On top of that, there is no rule saying that they need to follow a basic design to be considered an "E-series" robot, at least taking Sonic X into consideration. However, I strongly agree that removing them was the best course of action, though for a different reason: There's absolutely nothing in official documentation or otherwise that suggests any of them were E-series robots. None of them were named E-anything. Furthermore, if we take into consideration that the E most likely stands for "Eggman," and that he was referred to exclusively as "Dr. Robotnik" in Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine, it seems even less likely.
 * This also leads me to believe that we should probably nuke most of the Sonic Heroes section as well, though. From what I can find, there's nothing that says the Egg Pawns or any other robots from that game are E-series, save for the E-2000s. Is there a source I'm overlooking? I know Google isn't exactly failsafe proof, but searching for E-1001 Egg Pawn, I only get one relevant result that isn't Wikipedia or a mirror. As such, I think I'm going to go on a bit of a deletion spree to get rid of some fanon. If anyone finds any official information to the contrary that supports their status as E-series 'bots, they'll be more than welcome to revert it. --Matt S. 04:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I should of known that would happen...The first thing that came to mind when I saw egg pawn,obviously was arms,as I put. They also appear to be diffrent eggmans,too.That 'Robotnik' was Traingular-headed,with a shoe-like flop on head.HE was also in a diffrent suit and wasn't as fat. -Guy with no username.

Sonic Heroes E-1000 robots
"Yet more believed-to-be but unconfirmed E-models appeared in the game Sonic Heroes" Does this mean that all of the numbers (E-1001 Egg Pawn, E-1002 Egg Flapper, etc.) are pure speculation? --Matt S. 23:58, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes...Unless you can get to a point where you can see an E number on a robot.Eggman certanly dosn't say.-Can't think of a username


 * So I figured. It's been corrected, now, anyway. By the way--Don't forget to sign your comments! It just takes four tildes. --Matt S. 18:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there really a toilet called E-1000B or is that just a bad joke?

Sweeping edits and deletions
Though I figure most everyone can tell by the above discussion, I just want to make sure it's known that this article isn't being senselessly destroyed or anything. I'm making some broad, sweeping changes in an effort to wipe out speculation and make this article something that's actually accurate, reliable information, and not fanon. I don't mean to offend anyone by deleting their hard work--I know that some of these enemies may seem likely to be E-series robots, especially since Sonic X made it appear that everything Eggman produces is "e-something", but the fact of the matter (as far as I can tell, anyway) is that there are just no sources that support it.

Again, I apologize for deleting so much writing, but this is just in the interest of having a truly encyclopedic article. If anyone has any disputes, input, commentary, sources that I've overlooked, or anything else, you're more more than welcome to discuss it here. The more we work together, the better we can make this otherwise inconsequential video game article into something worthwhile. --Matt S. 18:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

gitches
the e-series seems to have a lot of glitches, since gamma and omega didnt follow their programing, metal sonicalso seems to have a few problems. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anton the Swede (talk • contribs) 15:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

Merge.
I vote no, Gamma is a character of it's own, independent of the rest of the E-series. No merge, no reason to kill information.

Eriorguez 22:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)Eriorguez

I agree with you, no merge Markcambrone 13:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Who originally suggested the merge? Paul Haymon 02:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Whatever you do, DON'T MERGE GAMMA WITH THE E-SERIES ROBOTS! HE IS SPECIAL!! 207.74.196.20 14:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I turn my back for three seconds and someone merges the thing... why, who, when? Paul Haymon 11:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hullo? The Gamma page is gone! It now redirects me to the E-series page! The Gamma page was a good page, with many paragraphs of good info describing his story in Sonic Adventure. It is fine for him to be featured in the E-series page, but the main article should have been that other page. But...it's been merged! Is there any way to get it back?!? If not, I think the whole Gamma thing is totally ruined. He is a special character featured in only game so that the story of his adventure could be totally described within the page. He is not like the other robots, and he does not have a broad line of stories depending on the game (like Sonic or Tails). Whoever merged it clearly did not read this talk section. If someone could "un-merge" it, that would be appreciated. 24.15.53.225 00:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I think TTN is the one who suggested and performed the merge, so discuss it with him. I also think it's a bit rude that he did it without countering your points here first though. Gurko 11:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

You can unmerge an article by finding the E-series page through an E-102 Gamma link or search and then using the redirect link at the top of the page. (The other unmerged E-Series articles can also be found this way. I think Gamma should have his seperate article back as, while he is a secondary character, he expanded many major aspects of the series: Personally, I'd like Gamma's article back, for both this proffessional argument and my own personal liking of the character. Gamma just seems like one of the few Sonic characters that is handled considerably well, in both character, story, gameplay and even his theme. Hell, they even managed to reincarnate him plausably. Gamma is already an underated character. Don't you think he at least deserves his own Wiki article?80.43.140.42 17:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * SEGA made Gamma first. The E-100s (and many later robots) were based on his design. He is also a robot line in his own right, thus a recurring character (E-1000, Chaos Gamma, etc).
 * It was Gamma's story that officially revealed the atonomy of Eggman's robots; that they are born seperate beings with their own conscious rather then just robotocized animals robbed of their free will (Not even Metal Sonic portrayed emotion before Gamma came along). He also expanded this idea, giving it more depth and making them rather sympathetic. (Gamma was loyal to Eggman, not evil. An attack droid that is powered by leeching the life energy of a living being doesn't choose to. It is created that way.)
 * Gamma's story also revealed a badnik's life cycle, showing his creation, programming, training and Eggman's division of the elite and grunt robots. No other robot delved upon this (or merely expanded upon it later). Considering that the Badniks have been a heavy element of the series since day one (perhaps more so than Chaos and the Chaos emeralds and Knuckles and Angel Island) I see Gamma's story as rather notable.
 * One of the main arguments with the merge was how it was handled. TTN merely deleted the entire article, convinced his stub already on the page was good enough. He ignored the arguments of those opposing and thus has had to remerge several times now. A shame as since then the article has actually been edited and refined to make the above points more relevent, yet it was deleted again simply because the argument was not posted on the correct talk page. Compressing and deleting data are two different things.


 * Gamma's importance is in the actual story, not outside of the series. All of the info on the page was either plot summary (one game needs two paragraphs at most, not ten), OR/speculation (personality, relationships, ect), or unsourced junk. The page was bloated beyond belief. The section here isn't that well written, but it summarizes what his role was in the game. That's all he needs. Sorry for not addressing your points before, but I assumed most people wanting to keep a page would have wanted to keep all of them, resulting in you going to another discussion. Nemu 18:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I would have to totally agree with 80.43.140.42 and 24.15.53.225--He is not just an ordinary badnik robot. His story was special. I think what some people take as "speculation" is actually the implied meaning that you get from the story. The story is meant to imply that all of the badniks have emotions and either cannot use them or choose not to. If I also remember correctly from the game (and I think this was mentioned at one point in the article) Gamma has an auto recovery system. During sonic's story, he is available to talk to at one point, and he says, I quote, "Auto-Recovery system, activated". Does this not mean that he could have used it to recover from beta's shot? That isn't speculation, that's rooted in fact. I think the whole point of that (and the last memory he had of the flicky family) was that he intentionally did not activate that system and gave up the ultimate sacrifice of his life to save the animal that he was forced into feeding off of for energy. It seems like the whole point of his story is to show that the robots eggman makes have emotions, and are not always cruel, heartless beings unless they choose to be (like humans). I mean, why else would he be included in the game? He wasn't like, a major advancement to the plot or anything. He could have been entirely left out. That's why he's special, because he wasn't left out. His purpose was to reveal about the badnik's emotions. You might say that he's not related outside of the series, but he is! The badniks appear in every sonic game that ever existed!
 * minor spoiler warning*

And as for the page being "bloated beyond belief", I think it should be. A simple summary of the story would not get the point across. An in-depth coverage really shows how good he is far more than just a paragraph or two. And furthermore, it's not like there's a whole lot to be covered. He never appears in any other game. His life literally begins and ends over the course of his story, unlike sonic or eggman, who's sagas are endless. SinHarvest 01:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * All of what you just said is OR. We cannot use that as a basis for an article. I don't feel like typing out every policy this is against at this point, but there are at least four of them. Please just let this rest. Nemu 01:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I think Gamma should have his own article. He played an important role in SADX's storyline and has been in more than one game. He is an important character and Omega should be merged before Gamma. Thats my feelings on the topic. Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 00:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with SinHarvest —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.7.41 (talk) 01:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Gamma
i noticed that gamma doesn't have his own page anymore. i think someone should put it back up. omega has his own page but there isn't as much info for him as there is for gamma.


 * Indeed, why does Omega have his own page while Gamma doesn't? Surely Gamma is at least as noteworthy as Omega.  I was going to let this rest, but this user brings up a good point. Paul Haymon 02:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm kind of going both ways on this. First of all, Omega made a lot more appearences than Gamma. But now as I read the Omega page, alot of it can also be classified as OR but it has not been changed either. But then again, most of gamma's page was just describing the details of his story (not that I care, that was only to contradict the first user's statement of gamma's page having more info). I really don't know where to go on this. 24.15.53.225 03:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Looking at Omega's article again, he does make more appearances than Gamma. But it's slightly arbitrary anyhow, as Gamma's role in Sonic Adventure was as integral as anyone's.  Is there a guideline as to how many appearances constitutes "noteworthy"?  If you consider Gamma's old page as being mainly Original Research, then yes, Omega's page is basically such as well.  While it may not be the best move for Gamma's page to be restored, leaving the Omega page intact while Gamma gets a few short paragraphs in the E-Series article isn't right.  By the way, there better not be an article on Big the Cat, or I'm staging an uprising.  I'm only half kidding.  Those brackets better redirect me somewhere. Paul Haymon 05:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, they did. At least that's the way it should be. Paul Haymon 05:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Feel free to propose a merger for Omega. I didn't bother because he seems to be notable, and is still around. He'll eventually be at the same level as Cream, so it seems pointless. Some of the stuff on his page is OR, but it could probably be salvaged. At this point, he is far more important than Gamma. Gamma was a one game character that was killed off. His importance and notability are just being over glorified by fans. Nemu 10:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to argue with you, but as you seem to be addressing me, I am not in favor of merging Omega into the E-Series article. Nor am I in favor of the current situation of Gamma not being addressed properly.  I propose that Gamma receive, if nothing else, a more detailed description of his character and roles. Paul Haymon 04:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Once again, you've been free to do so for a while. I hate when people complain about mergers, but don't even try to fix up the section. Nemu 10:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I might do just that. Paul Haymon 13:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

NO MORE DELETING!
TTN, why did you rv the 15.55, 10 April article as pointless? It brought up a lot of relevent information that hadn't been included in the article. It wasn't OR, and even if some of it was you could have easily deleted certain points rather than the entire thing. You seem to think only you know what should be included in Wiki. Other people check it through History and see if you find a problem with it.
 * It added E-Series. E-01 from SA2 and the green robot from SB ARE E-SERIES. Look at the games yourself. Just because they are in cameos doesn't mean they shouldn't be included. The E-Series article would be incomplete without them.
 * When you said we could refine the story, you were lying right? Relevent plot points were added such as why Eggman demoted his E-100s and basicly ALL of Chaos Gamma's storyline. Sure it makes the article long, but it is nessessary. If someone who hadn't played the game looked at this, it wouldn't make sense.
 * Why is Other media not important? Because the games were here first? In that case we should delete ALL the TV/Comic articles. They are still liscensed by SEGA and even if they weren't, they are still notable products that deserve a mentioning. This wasn't a neutral compression. It was a games purist trying to pretend other continualities don't exist.
 * Abilities actually was important. How else does "Gamma hovered" or "Beta locked on to Gamma" make any sense?
 * Conception is impotant. It explains how and why a product is made. You expect to know how Sonic is made. Just because E-Series aren't as recurring doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned. Some of it may have been OR but the rest was relevent sourced information. And yes it was taken from the Gamma article but it still can refer to the rest of the E-100s. It isn't in any other article anymore. You deleted them!

This isn't the first time you've recieved a complaint. You have a large history of deleting and merging a lot of other people's hard work and have angered a lot of the public as a result. Think about it. Wiki is a PUBLIC encyclopedia. If a majority of the public doesn't think there is enough information, surely they must have a point. I know you're just trying to abide by Wiki's standards, but you have your own limitations and opinions as how these standards are carryed out. You only think what is MOST important is important AT ALL, and everything else only deserves a few lines mentioning. That is over simplifying. Sometimes small things are what make major aspects important, and that can't always be explained in your "two paragraphs". Sometimes articles HAVE to be long. Yes, Wiki can't feature everything on earth, but it still has to have something we don't already know. Otherwise, why else would people go on the site?

Oh, and about the Omega merge. Gamma has actually appeared MORE times than Omega: Also note that all his appearances are singular, not co-op or Amigo, etc.
 * 3 PLAYABLE APPEARANCES (2 intergal with story)
 * 1 CAMEO (and gameplay inspiration in SA2)
 * 3 ARTWORK CAMEOS

Even at that though, I don't think Omega should be merged, at least not before say, Mina Mongoose and Space Colony ARK. This is ridiculous. Just because somethings applys to a group you think it no longer matters as an individual character. In that case, lets merge, Sonic, Tails and Knuckles' articles into a Team Sonic article. And lets delete personality, story aspects and SEGAs conception of them because they don't apply to the entire group and aren't apparent in every game ever made.(212.139.180.219 11:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC))
 * The bulk of it seems to be unsourced OR. The rest is either pointless or junk. There may be some things worth readding, but the majority of it is not. Nemu 17:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The Gamma section of this article seems to have been expanded and cleaned up now, so hopefully this merge war can end. Apologies for having been so persistant about the Gamma article in the past, TTN, but we had our reasons. Even if Gamma wasn't that notable, it was impressive, and given the amount of critism given recently to the series, we just want to sing it out and make any positive addition noticable. The E-100s were proof something good could come out of the 3D games. They are personally what prevents me from supporting every Genesis purist and SatAm fan about the official series being "dead".(My apologies for droning on, I use this partially as an argument to "Sonic Team; does it give a **** about the west" found in the female character articles, I thought this might be the most appropriate article to discuss it due to the character.)

For that matter, it proves Sega of Japan can still pull something off. Gamma and SA was a SoJ creation. It was something as depthful as say SatAm, yet was still conventional to the original canon we are used to (not as in Sally Acorn and that roboticizer crap, I mean basic things such as animal powered badniks and the use of the name "Robotnik", which is probably how things should be). In fact anything western has given nothing but disgrace to poor Gamma. 4Kids' dubbing ruined Sonic X's adaption of the character, which was one of the few impressive elements of the show, while Archie cut almost all of his story, convinced a gold colored imitation of the character was more profitable. Fleetway and Sonic X comic have thus far completely ignored the E-series. The only good thing of E-102 from the west was the late Steve Broadie, who was one of few plausable VAs in the series. If SoA can create an incarnation of Gamma that surpasses SoJ's, or is even plausable, I will admit that the series is toast and that Sonic Team are fascist money grabbers.

Sorry for going off topic, I am aware this isn't a disscussion board. I thought I would just explain for my past abuse in a detailed manner. Just a thought but now we have details on the robot characters, do you think we should have an article on the organic batteries inside them (I think they are officially refered to as 'small animals'). They have been pivotal in certain elements of the series, such as Flicky (or it may already have an article) and Ricky (who has appeared in almost all other forms of media as Sally Acorn).80.47.255.77 11:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Nokia phones
I was expecting to find something talkinga bout Nokia phones here. Mathiastck 23:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

"E-Series" → "E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog)"

As can be seen in the header of the article there are at least 3 other things that can be called "E-Series". So, I propose that this page be moved to "E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog)" and use "E-Series" as a disambiguation page.

Feathered serpent 02:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Support dabbification. 70.55.84.224 04:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support - I absolutely agree with this move. In fact when a google search is done not one of the first ten hits is about Sonic the Hedgehog E-Series. -- Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor  ( tαlk ) 23:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support for reasons already listed above. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 15:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Gammas Heart?
You think it should be noted that Gamma could have been experiencing the Flicky that was inside of him feelings, the evidence I have for that is the fact that Gamma didn't accept to Amys plea until after the flicky went to him, plus the fact that in SonicX it looked straight at the bird and kept telling him to go, I think somehow the birds feelings somehow got through into Gamma.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

E-series hieght
There all the exact same size (except E-101 mk II) when fighting them there all the same size, who is it who came up with these hieght differences.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 14:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Merge E-123 Omega into this article
There is no reason to have E-123 Omega in a seperate article, when he is a part of the e-series.  Doktor  Wilhelm   19:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Granted he is part of the E-Series but I don't think he should be merged he has been in more games and has interacted more with the characters, and has too much info to be a stub.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 19:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer


 * I think it's also either a case of merge him into this article, or he's going to be removed in TTN's merger lust (Details Here), I'm not even sure if this article is safe in its self.  Doktor  Wilhelm   20:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * What do the Sega awards have to do with anything, and besides I've been watching the discussion after you said that TTN was up to his old tricks again and it doesn't seem like the merge is going through.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 20:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer


 * Sorry pasted the wrong link (it should be fixed now), I think TTN and such like are going to continue trying to merge all the articles.  Doktor  Wilhelm   20:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If the list thing goes through then we merge Omega in the mean time I'll protect the article, hopefully we'll have enough time who knows what tricks this TTN guys got up his sleeve, he's quite a busybody he's done over 8000 edits in the last 4 months.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer


 * (sorry I keep indenting you comments, but it makes it easier to keep track of things) TTN has been rather sneaky, losing the argument for merger in so many diffrent ways, yet they just go to another hidden corner of wikipedia and try to build up backing there! I'm bored of arguing for the defence of the articles, as it's time I could be using better and I'm sure their 'work' will be undone in short time by half of wikipedia in the long run, but damage prevention is my main aim here, as TTN merges without warning, and prefers to remove content instead of actually merging.  Doktor  Wilhelm   11:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I still don't think he should be merged, he's popular enough in his own right to have an article.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Not this again! For the love of Ra what is it with merging? Omega is the most reconisible of all the E-Series so he should be kept on a seperate page and not sharing one! Behellmorph (talk) 21:51, 17 Febuary 2008 (UTC)Behellmorph


 * Hey I don't want it merged either, (I've been focusing my edits on it lately) but I'm confident that TTN won't be allowed to merge those articles. (Especialy if I've got anything to say about it).Fairfieldfencer (talk) 09:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer


 * "Omega is the most reconisible of all the E-Series." Actually I belive E-102 Gamma is more notable (being the first playable "badnik"), and Omega is just a muscled up clone (sort of like Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger in the movie: Twins ), but that is besides the point, I believe that the E-Series has a place withing the fictional history of Sonic the Hedgehog, and will be easy to argue for inclussion on wikipedia, but I'm afraid that the merger of all fictional characters within the Sonic the Hedgehog universes will be going ahead (see the talk page I posted above), there are going to be only seven character pages (each covering that singular chracter in all media) and seven lists of characters (that TTN believes to be notable) for each media.  Doktor  Wilhelm   11:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Who said said this was contest who is the more well known bot around here!?! Last i checked there wasn't one! So Omega is one of the two but that is besides the point, plenty of charicters seem to have multiple links from, different lists and still have their own page and that still means that Omega should keep his page especially when others like Nega and the other new cast members still kept theres when some one had the stupid idea about merging nearly everypage Behellmorph (talk) 21:51, 17 Febuary 2008 (UTC)Behellmorph

That would be TTN and he's trying to do it again look at that internal link that Wilhelm left (Details here) for details.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer


 * Update on the merger, the oly remaining Sonic fiction articles are going to be Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Doctor Eggman, Shadow, Metal Sonic, and Amy and seven lists: Video games, Archie Comics series, Sonic the Comic, Sonic X, SatAM cartoon, Sonic Underground, and Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, nothing about the fictional characters outside of these aricles will be kept! Also, "Nega and the other new cast members" don't have a list like the e-series, that they can be merged into! This is not about a popularity contest, it's about notablity and the defence of articles!  Doktor  Wilhelm   13:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That is not what i meant, don't you understand that what i meant by 'Nega and the other new cast' is Silver and Blaze, they are varyly new and they have their own articles and i neve said that nega, Silver and Blaze "have a list like the e-series", what i meant is Omega being a e-series and one of eggmans robots which being two sepreate articles means omega has two links from seperate articles. oh and another thing i never said anything about popolarity and that was implied by what i said, what did you think that i thought it was one!? get your eyes testedBehellmorph (talk) 21:51, 17 Febuary 2008 (UTC)Behellmorph 14:30, 21 february 2008 (UTC)


 * the whole of the e-series are eggmans robots, so what's your point? You implied that I was suggesting the merge because of popolarity, I am not! A large scale merger of fictional characters is going a head on wikipedia, and all of the characters from soinc the hedgehog are a part of it! I personally can not defend the Omega article as it's not any more notable as a Character than Gamma, and Gamma is a part of the E-Series article! I may be able to defend the E-series article (if its refernces are improved, for notability), as I plan to do for the Enemy Robots article!  Doktor  Wilhelm   12:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I do feel as though Omega should be merged with the E-Series. I don't see why he should get his own article when he has only appeared in 3 games while someone like Big has appeared in over 8 games and is still going. I think that only major Sonic characters should get their own profiles. Inferno Sonic 21:45 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Most of those appearances are cameos I believe 3 major roles in three different games is enough for an article, and besides in the disscussion on Other characters about Big getting an article I've suggested that after Sonic Chronicles comes out we give Big an article. And Omega could be starring in Sonic Chronicles. (See other appearances in Omegas article for details).Fairfieldfencer (talk) 10:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer


 * You got a good point there, i agree that if a charicter has appeared in three games with major roles they shoulld have their own pages. Omega has and Big will soon to, of course the picture showing omega was a bit confusing since he was completly black and looks slighty different but who knows. Hey Chaos has only appeared in three and two of those games was minor appearences yet he has got a page so why should Omega not have one or Big for that matter? Behellmorph (talk) 20:06, 26 Febuary 2008 (UTC)Behellmorph 20:20, 26 february 2008 (UTC)


 * Chaos is going to be removed, maybe to a list!  Doktor  Wilhelm   20:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Not if we stop the merge from going through.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 21:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Your not seirously thinking about Merging Chaos's page, you can't do that Doc, who do you think you are TNN? Behellmorph (talk) 20:06, 26 Febuary 2008 (UTC)Behellmorph 20:20, 26 february 2008 (UTC)

He's not saying that's what he's going to do, he's saying that's what TTN is going to do if the merge goes through.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 21:50, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

The article has more references and has even gone to B-class on the assement scale making it more notable. Fair field fencer  F F F  15:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

PHI
I am changing it to chi (Χ) Because that is what he is. It even says that in the article. why does it keep getting reverted?74.39.228.1 (talk) 22:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)