Talk:E-ZPass

Map Error - Vermont
Vermont should be gray on the map, not dark red. There are no tolled public highways in the state (the Mt. Mansield "Toll Road" is a privately run tourist attraction, not a through route). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19B:C703:40E0:B9DE:A5B1:CD6B:9CA2 (talk) 14:12, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Revision
This article needs major revision - first off it needs to open with what IS E-Zpass, not some disconnected and complex blurb about functionality.

"All of the states use the same technology, allowing travelers to use the same E-ZPass tag in multiple states."


 * Really? I tried to use mine in a neighboring state once and it gave an error... - Omegatron July 8, 2005 04:00 (UTC)


 * It's supposed to work (inter-operate). It's possible that some data-processing glitch occurred. Maybe they're running on Windows?


 * Atlant 8 July 2005 12:35 (UTC)


 * Probably. :-)  I'll try again next time. - Omegatron July 8, 2005 12:53 (UTC)

Discounts
I edited the section on discounts, since Massport (which owns the Tobin Bridge) does provide discounts to tagholders from other agencies. So it was misleading to say that the 3 New England turnpike authorities (which implies all of the authorities in the region) don't provide non-member discounts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.190.166.162 (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Massachusetts and Virginia
I could be wrong but is Massachusetts' Fast Lane and Virginia's Smart Tag programs actually part of E-ZPass? I went onto their respective sites and I couldn't find any references to E-ZPass. Any clarification is appreciated. Misterrick 21:41, 28 July 2005 (UTC).


 * Massachusetts' "Fast Lane" is definitely part of the E-ZPass world. When it was rolling out, there was a lot of debate as to whether naming it something else was stupid; I certainly think "Yes!" but no one was asking me. :-) I also find it offensive that the whole thing is now an advert for Citizens Bank (or some bank).


 * Atlant 20:54, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Virginia's Smart Tag has been a part of E-ZPass since October 27, 2004 . In fact, Virginia now seems to call the program 'Smart Tag/E-ZPass' as you can see in the Smart Tag FAQ. Plus, Virginia has an E-ZPass page. SterlingNorth 08:25, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Speeding tickets
I heard somewhre that someone received a speeding ticket in the mail because they got to their exit more quickly than possible if they'd have followed the limit and E-ZPass picked up on this. If this is true, should we add mention of it to the article? -Phantom784 22:32, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * That sounds absurd to me. Few people actually follow the speed limit.  Though, I think it's possible to get a speeding ticket if going through the toll booth faster than the posted limit. -Aude (talk | contribs) 23:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * That actually doesn't sound too absurd to me and may be done in the future.

--Gloriamarie 19:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Typically, I think the legality of this (tracking your average speed) may have something to do with the fact that an entry/exit time on a road (i.e. NYS Thruway, NJ Tpk, MassPike) could be used to calculate the average speed, but all the speeding tickets I've gotten are a record of me speeding at a certain place and time. With just an average, there may be some requirement to change existing traffic laws to include this mean value and to use toll entry/exit as a speed detection device much like a Radar/laser or calibrated spedometer is already listed on the books.

--Rhearnct 09:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The E-ZPass members do not track speeds for any enforcement purpose. In Northern New Jersey and New York City speeds are tracked but the tag identifyer is encrypted to prevent direct identification of the user. This information is used to identify congestion points and average speeds. Speeding through a toll plaza may result in the loss of your E-ZPass for a period of time depending on the frequency of the abuse.


 * Actually, this is true, sort of -- I got a 'warning' in the mail for exceeding the toll speed limit of 15 (I was doing about 35); there was no fine, though, only the threat to revoke my EZ-pass.

--151.196.29.69 15:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Getting a speeding ticket due to E-ZPass is an urban legend. A bill was even passed in NJ to make that illegal. No one would use E-ZPass if it could result in speeding tickets. ;-)

Double Think 02:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

This was debunked by Snopes. Ekips (talk) 20:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Privacy Concerns
Something could perhaps be made of the privacy concerns surrounding the EZPass adoption-- that there is an electronic record of everywhere you go that takes the EZPass. I might do this myself later but wanted to bring up the idea, anyway.

--Gloriamarie 19:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I have added a U.S. government privacy implications document that encompasses E-ZPass as part of the overall U.S. Department of Transportation set of programs for an ITS (Intelligent Transportation Systems).

Then along came Peter, who deleted it.

Double Think 00:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If someone does get around to including privacy concerns in the article, here's a source for E-ZPass customer information being released in divorce cases (with alleged infidelity), among other legal cases: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070810/ap_on_re_us/e_z_divorces
 * 150.209.64.96 19:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Largest ETC system in the US/World?
How could we verify whether EZ-Pass is the largest ETC system in the US and possibly in the world based on the number of registered tags and vehicles processed?

--Rhearnct 09:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a serious response, not spam: try asking the question at uclue.com for say $20. If they find the answer, they will state the sources.

Double Think 00:13, 24 March 2007 (UTC) There are around 9 million E-ZPass accounts represented by over 16 million transponders on the road. This was stated by Jim Crawford, E-ZPass interagency Group Executive Director during a toll industry conference in Austin, TX during April 2007.

Ping Peter
Peter,

The E-ZPass page said it suffered from a lack of cites, and so I provided new information with an authoritative cite, http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_001.pdf. I see you've done a major reformatting of what I entered.

That's fine, I am not good at all for formatting things Wikipedia style.

But I do have extensive information to contribute, and your Wiki page says that you specialize in the reformatting. Great!

Now tell me what should be done about the privacy concerns document that I had put up, http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_009.pdf, and that you deleted all reference to.

That document, along with many others, can no longer be found on the Net. I managed to squirrel them away before they were wiped out.

Then there is the large amount of information I have that is split between being oriented for commercial versus non-commercial transponders. And I used the phrase in the commercial text "E-ZPass type transponders, which you changed. I don't know if the planned rollout for all commercial vehicles' transponders is properly called E-ZPass.

A problem here is that E-ZPass is a transponder that is going to inter-operate with the U.S. DOT's larger ITS plans, so how do we integrate or at least slightly overlap the transponder information? One of my problems with Wikipedia is that it tends to break information up into such small segments that it becomes uninformative without the most persistent clicking around.

I have an update on the required electronic license plates for Britain. I'm not sure if it happened that way. See:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article334686.ece




 * 1)   From 2006 Britain will be the first country where


 * 1)   every journey by every car will be monitored


 * 1)   By Steve Connor, Science Editor


 * 1)   Published: 22 December 2005




 * 1)   Britain is to become the first country in the world where


 * 1)   the movements of all vehicles on the roads are recorded.


 * 1)   A new national surveillance system will hold the records


 * 1)   for at least two years.




 * 1)   Using a network of cameras that can automatically read


 * 1)   every passing number plate, the plan is to build a huge


 * 1)   database of vehicle movements so that the police and


 * 1)   security services can analyse any journey a driver has


 * 1)   made over several years.

Could you make the update?

You've put in red 'Automated Vehicle Identification'. I can end up providing a separate section for that, but could you update for E-ZPass specifically this addition:

http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_009.pdf pdf page 128-129

Vehicle probes offer real-time traffic information over a section of the roadway as opposed to “localized” data offered by point detection devices. Two commonly used methods are the acquisition of Automated Vehicle Identification (AVI) data and Automated Vehicle Location (AVL) data. AVI systems have been used in Electronic Toll and Traffic Management (ETTM) functions and electronic commercial vehicle clearance operations. Vehicles may be identified using signals emitting from an onboard transponder and recorded by a roadside reader.

If we can work together, Wikipedia will be much improved for E-ZPass and a few other sections, because I have the definitive U.S. government cites.

Note that the British use of license reading cameras are an AVI technology.

Regarding transponders being updated by a driver before beginning a commercial journey, the information I have is a bit scattered, but is nevertheless important.

In http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_005.pdf on pdf page 35 has on it:

Vehicles are equipped with electronic tags (transponders) ...Various techniques may be used to store driver and load information on the tag. These units are equipped with tag readers that allow them to interface with vehicle transponders and mobile computers that look up credential and safety records....Core infrastructure systems such as CDLIS may be queried either directly or indirectly to gather safety, license, and enforcement information about the carrier, vehicle, and driver.

On pdf page 43 is what looks like the actual layout in the writeable area of the vehicle's transponder for storing driver information. Remember that above on page 35 it refers to storing driver information on the transponder.

There's another reference to driver info on page 48.

How do we load up the E-ZPass/transponder page with this info?

Thanks, Double Think 11:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey there...first off I'm Paul, not peter...not sure where you got the peter. Regardless, I got rid of the privacy section because it was little more than a table of contents. The main thing to remember is that the whole thing must read like a narrative, in a more or less detached, formal tone. Feel free to put the text as you want it below, and then I can work on formatting and referencing it properly. I'm little busy right now, but will do my best to put it into the main article. Cheers! —lensovet–talk – 07:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Note to all from EZ-PAL: The referenced CVISN (truck monitoring/weigh station bypass application) data is not used at all in the E-ZPass tag and in fact none of the existing (thru 2007) CVISN tags on trucks contain that data, either. The coding formats and over the air protocols are different between the 2 systems but the common concept is that the tag has a unique ID code. There is no personal info in an E-ZPass nor a truck tag. Also, at the present time, there is no link between USDOT and E-ZPass. E-ZPass is an independent, proprietary, network just for toll collection, some parking and traffic management. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.165.197 (talk) 04:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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NY E-ZPass center
The section below the listing of agencies has this to say about the New York E-ZPass center and how NY E-ZPass tags are issued: ''The E-ZPass programs of the NYS Thruway, TBTA and PANYNJ are all administered by the New York E-ZPass Customer Service Center. When customers open an account through the website or over the phone they receive a transponder from one of the three agencies based on their mailing address. All out-of-state customers receive a PANYNJ transponder[citation needed] which in turn carries the $1 monthly fee.'' However, I live in Massachusetts and recently opened an E-ZPass account with the New York E-ZPass, and received an NYS Thruway tag, not a PANYNJ tag, so this statement is inaccurate. Unless further evidence is given, I'm going to change the wording to "most". Ekips (talk) 20:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Toll discounts
Some states give discounts to holders of tags from their own state only. I added a note about New Hampshire in the fees grid, but I don't think that's the right place for that sort of information. I believe (but I'm not sure) that other states also have some sort of a home-state discount. can anyone provide any sort of information? If so, it might warrant it's own paragraph or section.

Network operation
Can anyone provide information on the network operation? I gather from the description that the transponder identifies vehicle class, but how does the toll station know if a tag is valid, whether sufficient funds are in the account, and then how does the actual account get updated and when?

Are the toll stations updated daily with a list of the 20 million or so transponders and their account status so the toll lane can signal a warning/problem to the driver? How does the plate/driver photo get into the central database? Isn't the photo information kept for all transactions in case there is a dispute, not just those cases where the transponder is flagged? Mulp (talk) 01:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Verifying the Statement Format
I know the New Jersey EZ-Pass has itemized statements (one transaction for each individual charge) and that EZ-Pass/Smart Tag in Virginia provides a monthly summary by default but will give itemized transactions for an extra $2 per month fee. Does anyone know what the other agencies provide? Could you please fill in the new column in the spreadsheet? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TimeHorse (talk • contribs) 13:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Account fees and discounts by agency
This is a valuable table, but is Wikipedia the place for it? The purpose of this article should be for providing information on articles. From WP:NOPRICES - "Wikipedia is not a price comparison service to be used to compare the prices of competing products, or the prices of a single product from different vendors." Unless someone can come up with a very good reason why this should be included here, I believe it should be removed, and replaced with a more general statement that fees, discounts and other policies vary by agency. I'm tempted to be WP:BOLD, but given that this is section has come to dominate the article, I'd like to entertain other opinions before making the move. --Clubjuggle T/ C 17:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * With the exception of the specific toll rate being listed in an article on a bridge or tunnel, I agree that the prices should be dropped. Most of the edits to this article are anonymous edits to that section, so I worry about stability and accuracy. I say ditch the section as you outline.  Imzadi  1979   →  20:16, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The table was very incomplete and vague anyway, so it was not that useful even for price comparison. F15x28 (talk) 21:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That removed table is not simply to compare the prices of competing products, or the prices of a single product from different vendors. E-ZPass is a service mark shared by multi-state agencies, but that does not really make a single product from different vendors. If no consensus exists here to restore the table, I would like to propose a compromise to send it to Wikiversity where original research is allowed. I have privately researched E-ZPass regarding different fee schedules in different states, especially the periodic account maintenance fees and their impacts, with Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority having the worst experience with the unpopular monthly account fee short-lived for 11 months then banned by NY State law.--Jusjih (talk) 16:51, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


 * This table was valuable and its removal reduces the value of the article. To remove this information and suggest each user perform his/her own research seems to run contrary to the concept of leveraging sharing knowledge.  Although fees are shown in the table, the table compares the E-ZPass program on a state-by-state basis, which I think is more closely related to a comparison of sales tax on a state-by-state basis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States#Summary_table than simply a price comparison of competing products.  I feel that the removal of this table dumbed-down the article and reduced its value to readers.Guster98 (talk) 16:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Fees for E-ZPass Personal Account by State

 * I've re-removed the section with this edit for the same WP:NOTCATALOG reasons as before. Please discuss this before restoring it as it shouldn't be in this article.  Imzadi 1979  →   14:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia does have a WP:NOTCATALOG section, referenced by Imzadi 1979, which states the following:
 * '5. Sales Catalogs. Product prices should not be quoted in an article unless they can be sourced and there is a justified reason for their mention. In general, if mainstream media sources (not just product reviews) provide commentary on the price of an object instead of just passing mention, this is an indication that its price may have encyclopedic significance. '

First, this table is obviously not a sales catalog, which is what a Best Buy, Walmart etc. site would be. Second, the WP:NOTCATALOG says that prices should not be referenced unless they can be sourced, however, these prices are referenced. Third, it says there should be a justified reason for their mention. The justification is that this information is not easily available, and it has already been admitted (above) that the table is useful.

In general, it is better to keep information in Wikipedia, rather than removing it. It someone finds the information to not be valuable, they can overlook it, it takes up half a screen. If they find the information useful, why should it be removed?

There are entire articles on Wikipedia that others would argue have no value. That doesn't justify simply blowing those articles away. RE34646 ;RE34646; →  15:13 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I am puzzled as to why people feel so strongly about removing this table. Whether or not the information in the table is useful does not appear to be in question. Rather, the discussion centers around whether the table amounts to some sort of improper commercial price comparison, or a more-permissible reference table. I feel the table should remain on two counts. First, if the table is useful to users, why remove it and reduce the value of the article? Second, the table is a reference that compares how different government agencies implement the EZ-Pass program, much like a comparison may be made regarding differences in state sales taxes or state laws.Guster98 (talk) 04:38, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As I just copied the table to Transportation Systems Casebook/Tolling/E-ZPass, we may be ready to remove it.--Jusjih (talk) 02:00, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

ETC acronym used midway without prior definition
Any objection to defining it at the top? ParisFarmBoy (talk) 15:18, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Concern - Gotcha fines issue
Concerns area seems missing mention of the fines & fees mess, and LARGE fines that occur with express lanes. Should this go there ? :  Beyond just normal getting in lane by mistake $25-100 occurence ticket, express lanes not having a booth slowdown for drivers to see failure at the time leads to broken units cause fines above $10,000. It's a per-occurence ding then they add administrative fees and penalty on top, at least partly designed so that when it goes to court they can give up the extra fines and still get $5,000 ... Seems like everywhere - PA, LA, NY, MA, DC, VA ... for example: Any other ideas on how to present this ? Markbassett (talk) 12:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * CBS : EZpass nightmare
 * WUSA VA lawsuits
 * FOX news EZpass $17K shakedown
 * Ripoff Reports - fraudulent NJ fines
 * Boston
 * Lawsuits
 * NYC

Yes, there is no list of defects/contentions with this technology's use. For example, - User has no ability to discern tolls until after the fact. - Toll inconsistency. W/cash, a car was a car was a car. But w/not-so-easy tolling, vehicle may be different rates, such as resident/non-resident/(worst of worst)non-resident w/no transponder. - And, no reason for this to exist. If license plate can be read, then what is the point of transponder? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.247.14.202 (talk) 12:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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Systemic defects
This page needs a section on systemic defects. - Roads with no toll road markings - Variable/undefined/undisclosed toll fees when using the EZPass roads (what's my toll? don't know til billed) - Undisclosed fines for payments when driver address is incorrect - Fees for incorrect license plate assignments, billing wrong vehicle owner - etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.221.85 (talk) 14:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with M-Tag
Seems to be the same thing Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:45, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment If M-Tag is merged, then i-Zoom, Smart Tag, and Fast Lane (E-ZPass) should also be merged, as they too have been folded into E-ZPass. Needforspeed888 (talk) 00:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * A better target would be one more Maryland-specific: I suggest Maryland Transportation Authority. Klbrain (talk) 19:24, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * New/alternative proposal started, as per the above. See Talk:Maryland Transportation Authority. Klbrain (talk) 12:59, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

"Creation" section
The "creation" section says the first implementation of E-ZPass was in December 1996 at the TBTA facilities, but then later it says E-ZPass was deployed at some locations on the Thruway as early as 1993. As written, those statements contradict each other. If someone is familiar with the history or wants to take the time to research it, I believe this section could benefit from clarification. Was the 1993 deployment a system test or similar? 1995hoo (talk) 12:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Mention of Ontario 407 as a non-participating program
I feel this should be removed for being ungermane. This is a US system and there is no other mention of Canadian roadways aside from international toll bridges that link participating states, nor does route 407 begin/end at an international border. Antcomp (talk) 12:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)