Talk:E-commerce/Archive 1

Pro Merge
A merge would be an excellent idea. It does not matter that the two articles are different, that is not the problem.

Advertising
Occasionally people actually advertise their sites here under "examples". Hmm 24.76.141.237 03:07, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Should Not Merge Electronic Commerce with Electronic Business
In any good Electronic Commerce/Business book you buy they should set the strict differentiation between E-Commerce and E-Business.

E-Commerce is trading/paying for goods electronically. This deals with the relationship between the Business and the Customer.

E-Business is the business operations themselves. E-businesses conduct their business functions electronically (supply chain management, inventory, information systems, accounting).

A company may have E-Business and no E-commerce (brick and mortar store with computerized systems). Though E-commerce usually relies on the E-business backbone for integration with business practices.

Simply put, E-Commerce = selling electronically E-Business = operating electronically

Theres a difference

-G- IS - B.S. ICS - M.S. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mind404 (talk • contribs).


 * Your capitalization is a bit odd, but I generally concur. E-business and e-commerce are two separate things and should not be merged.  --Coolcaesar 03:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Should not merge Web-Economy too
Hi, i wrote Web Economy and it got merged into here too. I agree the above point separating of E-Business and E-Commerce. About Web Economy, the Web itself is still evolving. There are too many terms that decay back in the 90s, limited and unweldy in explaining present web phenomena. We ought to revisit such subjects and introduce a more vitalised wiki that explains Web Economy as a larger social science phenomena based on the likes of K & M-Economy rather than a 'monetary-based' affair.

To explain a case in point, take for instance the phrase 'value-based' and 'services-based' rather than 'product-based' as evolved descriptions of the world economy since the industrial age.

- Red1 D Oon 10:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

eBusiness is not eCommerce...
I support the position that eCommerce and eBusiness should NOT be merged as a definition - eBusiness is any transaction carried out by an organisation or an individual electronically - salary payments, supply chain management, etc. etc. I would agree that an eBusiness as an entity would probably be generating revenue by some form of eCommerce - if you take away the 'e' then it becomes much simpler - not every business is engaging in commerce, commerce is a subset of business... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.106.97.234 (talk • contribs).

There is a case for merger, yet you should keep at least the pointers separately
It is true that for many academics like us, e-Commerce is limited to electronic commerce, wheras e-Business extends to full electronic business. Yet, most people use these terms inter-changeably. That is what justifies a merger. The same argument, namely synonymous use of the terms, implies that you merge the content, but keep the pointers separate so that people do not miss out on the content just because they referred to one of the term —This unsigned comment was added by 210.214.120.13 (talk • contribs).

In any good Electronic Commerce/Business book you buy...
Mind404 writes "In any good Electronic Commerce/Business book you buy they should set the strict differentiation between E-Commerce and E-Business." Maybe. But any good Electronic Commerce/Business book you buy will also be written a lot better than these articles. Instead of rehashing the contents of Commerce and Business perhaps these pages could begin with the simple ledes like "Electronic commerce is commerce aided by information technology." Ewlyahoocom 06:27, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

From an ERP practitioner point of view
Applications e.g. SAP do not make a distinction between eCommerce & eBusiness. This is viewed as a single, unified business process in achieving the objectives & missions of a business entity. The distinction between eCommerce & eBusiness is mostly an academic exercise in the business world. So keeping them apart may not make much sense.

And talking about books, I think the Literature & Reference sections should be merged. Your comments please. Suisse2007 03:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Big Brother disambiguation
Could someone please disambiguate Big Brother? Should it be Big Brother (1984) for the cultural reference, or Surveillance for the meaning implied by that reference? Jamoche 06:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Relation to E-Government
Reading this article on Electronic Commerce, I realise that the whole article could be copied and pasted for a "Service Delivery Strategies in E-Government" section. E-Democracy perhaps also a paralel of E-Business. There are obvious differences between the "free market" nature of commerce vs. the obligation (or your "shareholders" (voters) will vote you out) of a "supplier" (government) to provide e-services in democracies. User:Lanma726 16 May 2006

Getting your business on the Web
This whole section needs a rewrite. Wikipedia is not an instruction manual or an advice guide - see WP:NOT. Colonies Chris 13:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I concur. What a mess! But I don't have a MBA, so I wouldn't have the first idea about where to start. --Coolcaesar 03:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Should the section be there at all? It comes across as a tutorial, which I don't think is appropriate for wikipedia, and I don't think any of the information in that section adds anything to the article, as what e-commerce is and what it offers are already covered. --Dan128 19:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Dan128 This is already explained in the above text and most of the information in this article should be directed to websites and seo If there are no objections I will delete the text as I am going to add to this page anyway as some of the information here is incorrect and needs to be updated to current trends. --Supplements 15:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I will support the proposed action. This article is seriously outdated & in need of a major rewrite. Suisse2007 12:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I deleted the section per WP:OR, WP:NOT, and it wasn't even really about e-commerce in the first place. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 02:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Entities using electronic commerce
I removed this section. there are millions of entities that could be included in such a list, and it really doesn't add anything of value to the article. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 01:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction
The definition of electronic commerce does not align with the definition of electronic business. It causes lots of confusion. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 02:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you please explain further, and perhaps suggest a solution? (feel free to fix it yourself, too) --ZimZalaBim (talk) 02:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * While the article of electronic business describes that electronic commerce covers only the revenue aspect of business, the article of electronic commerce describes that electronic commerce does everything like electronic business. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 13:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Problems
There is still a problem of lack of internet penetration and access to internet. esp. among women in the Middle east. This should be brought to notic. Thanks.--Darrendeng 06:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

NOT MERGE
They are not the same, though similar. e-business refers to more strategic focus with an emphasis on the functions that occur using electronic capabilities, while e-commerce to be a subset of an overall e-business strategy. It covers any type of business transaction such as Internet banking, share trading, and other fiscal transactions or buying and selling products electronically. Also, they both cover quite some of applications. Otherwise, make them have not enough room for extension if merge them into one!--Alfeewusy 03:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, eCommerce is a subset of eBusiness. eCommerce is the process of conducting business commerce transactions over the web.

I would also say not merge. For me e-business covers e.g. design collaboration that is not commerce (buying or selling). If a company makes such links to its partners, I like to refer this to e-business solution instead of e-commerce.Pkotinur 14:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree they MUST NOT be merged. User:sci-fry2001

I have personally distinguished between the two on the basis of e-commerce relating to electronic transactions and e-business related to running a business in cyberspace. Thus, I would tend to put e-commerce as a subset of e-business. And for "commerce" writ large, i tend to use the "digital economy." However, one can't have either without the other. This view is based on a collection of quotations which, like a micro-wiki, seems to display this pattern. But, much like information and knowledge I have seen them used and abused interchangeably. We would, however be well-advised to clearly define them in such distinct terms so that everyone understands what we re talking about.Albert Simard 19:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Keep separate: When I read both of these articles, it appears that neither are subsets of either. The two subjects overlap with electronic media bridging the gap. Neither could exist without the other. If anything should change, it should be the name of either or both of the articles to contrast them from each other. When you read the broader articles, commerce is a subset of business. But since businesses that are not e-business can use e-commerce, and e-commerce doesn't produce "e-products" or "e-services" other than transaction facilitation, the two simply overlap. Oicumayberight 20:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Is E-Commerce running out?
Just like all other technological advancements, I believe that e-commerce will one day be replaced. Consumers enjoy the convenience and accessibilty that it brings, but the security threats and reliability remain questionable. It is also important to acknowledge that consumers enjoy the ability to 'try before you buy.' The clothes shopping business is especially effected by this notion and shops will still see customers coming through their doors. The security issues with internet based shopping are a massive concern. Even something as popular as Ebay has experienced threats by gangs trying to get our personal details, as discovered in 2005 by SophosLabs.

137.195.176.11 09:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a discussion forum for speculating on future developments. -- Beland 20:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

"e-tail"
This phrase is used a few times without introduction or definition. A few times the word "retailer" is used in the electronic context. I came to this page with a google search define:e-tail, and apparently this content was merged into the current article. Perhaps a few words in the first paragraph would suffice. Danchall 14:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Beland 19:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)