Talk:E-flat minor

E-flat symphonies
I believe Rodion Shchedrin's first symphony is also in this key but am not sure? (And Romanian 20th-century composer Dmitri Cuclin's 9th or 11th- the 11th, I think, I believe the other is in A minor- is in A-flat minor, but that's for that page.) Egon Wellesz's 2nd is officially "in E-flat" - like many a 20th-century tonal work, no mode specified, only key - but Bruckner-influenced and basically minor-mode-centered in both of its sonata-form outer movements until near enough their closes. Schissel | Sound the Note! 17:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd never heard of Dmitri Cuclin before. (Then again, few have heard of a Romanian composer besides Enescu). Where could I sample his music? Anton Mravcek 20:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Not easily. New York Public Library (Lincoln Center, research division) has the score of one of his symphonies, no. 14 in E minor. Another - no. 11 I think - reached LP. Somehow someone acquired a tape of no. 9 - maybe that was on LP at some point too. I gather another symphony may have reached LP but I don't know which one. There might be something of his on CD but I don't know of it. Likewise other music. Romanian radio http://www.rri.ro now streams its classical station (I have a more specific link somewhere, will edit it in?), one no longer has to wait until (e.g.) Euroclassic Notturno (via BBC Through the Night, or elsewhere) rebroadcasts something in their archives - maybe they'll play an archive or even a new studio recording- of his music.

Beethoven used E-flat minor, a friend reminds me, for the prelude to Christ on the Mount of Olives.

By the way, Janis Ivanovs from Latvia - sym 4, now on a Campion CD, was once on LP too - also E-flat minor I think. Interesting composer, I like what I've heard. I don't think he was mentioned in the main body. :) Schissel | Sound the Note! 22:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Unfortunately, I couldn't connect to the Romanian radio station. It kept timing out (I'm on a T1 connection in Illinois). Anton Mravcek 21:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it's any better, but for the music station the link seems to be http://cultural.srr.ro/. Schissel | Sound the Note! 14:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm on a cable connection at home and haven't tried the Romanian radio in awhile (at all :( ?) Confirming also btw - Shchedrin indeed in E-flat minor at least according to library card of recording -

Pervai︠a︡ simfonii︠a︡ (diacritics as approx. in catalog), mi bémolʹ minor. Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra; N. Anosov, conductor. (from Library of Congress which however no longer has the LP. UC Berkeley does and gives the info that the number was 33D-9185/6. Several places do have a copy of the score, pub. 1959, but that listing lacks a key.)Schissel | Sound the Note! 16:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Also- mentioned to me as a possible addition to this or the E-flat major list-

Four Pieces for Piano (concluding Rhapsody - Johannes Brahms - in major but ends in minor. This appears to happen more with B major and E-flat major more than with other major keys. Likewise one of the

Impromptus - Franz Schubert for the same reason.

Other non-symphony, sonata works based E-flat minor... (not counting movements, like the Feierlich of the Rhenish Symphony and the Mesto of Brahms' horn trio - though for an overview of the "sound" of the key one really should consider those movements or even sections too - for it's not an idle question, nor a superstition quite- consider that for much of recent musical history keys more flat than F minor or so etc. were far less comfortable for some instruments than others, influencing what notes the horn (or the double bass!) would get in what pieces for instance, and that before equal tem... ok, a discussion that belongs in Key signature if not already there-- anyway.)

Piano Sonata (Dukas) (also pointed out to me, I really should have remembered. :, Haydn's last piano trio, Robert Fuchs' cello sonata no. 2 (op. 83 in E-flat minor), Franz Schubert's Klavierstück (D.946), Tchaikovsky string quartet no. 3 (I can't believe I needed search engine help to remember that one :( ...) and Shostakovich string quartet no. 15 (almost his last work, six slow movements)... Schissel | Sound the Note! 21:33, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

halo theme
it dosnt sound ight so i edited it and it was composed by martin O donnel --Spartan117009 19:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Substantial movements in E flat minor
Is it worth expanding the discussion or at least the list, to collections of similar (but not nearly identical, of course) movements - especially by (a school of) composers, etc. - in keys that for them were less usual? For instance-


 * Schumann (Robert, not Georg about which composer there is as yet no article, etc) - Feierlich fourth movement of the Rhenish symphony
 * Brahms - Mesto movement from the trio for violin, horn and piano (the early Scherzo in E-flat minor, op. 4 is related to a different sensibility, in some way that needs to be defined and spoken of purely using the facts- of course...)

(Perhaps also the Mesto third movement in Alexander Glazunov's symphony no. 8.)

(Of course, what keys have meant, and also may have meant, to composers- A minor the 'exotic' key in the classical era, ... ... &c &c &c ad infinitum ad nauseum - is a hoary topic discussed into the ground in the literature over the centuries. (Alfred Einstein notes how carefully Mozart avoids using some keys for any length of time, even transposing Bach fugues in the KV 404a set to "easier" keys- not something one needs to do with so very much with string players. If he did write/transcribe/... that set, that is...)

Put to you for your consideration... from the Tentative Zone. Schissel | Sound the Note! 16:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Italics and quotes
Unless the consensus has changed, here's the style guidelines (not rules) regarding use of italics as against quotes in lists within articles (I was mistaken about this, it turns out!): Manual of Style (titles) Schissel | Sound the Note! 20:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

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