Talk:E11 European long distance path

Replace links to disambiguation pages by pipe links
As the main author of the article on E11, I am aware that, in its present stage, the article contains a number of links to disambiguation pages rather than directly to the appropriate pages. Checking all the links and correcting those that lead the reader on a detour, is a tedious job. I prefer to complete the body of the text and offer browsing ramblers a chance to find their way to Lithuania, before I start to improve the links. My apologies to those browsers who are forced to ramble through Wikipedia. All help with improving the links is welcome! DrMennoWolters (talk) 15:29, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * DrMenno, noting your comment above as well as your comments in the AFD discussion, you appear to have a bit of a misconception of the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia, not a specialized guide for ramblers.  There may be other websites where the type of content you are interested in would be appropriate.  Information in Wikipedia articles should be limited to verifiable facts covered in third-party sources.  Further, Wikipedia is not a guidebook.  To give you an example, an encyclopedia article about a football stadium contains facts about the history and use of the stadium; it does not list the best places for spectators to park, the names of all the food vendors, or the number of toilets in each of the lavatories. Your relevant contributions are very welcome here, but I am afraid you will only become frustrated if you continue along your present (foot)path only to find that all your hard work is deleted by other editors who wish to keep Wikipedia focused on its purpose of presenting encyclopedic facts.  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Transfer to Wikitravel
In view of the criticism on the present contents of this article, the main author has decided to offer the detailed text to Wikitravel, whereas the contribution to Wikipedia will be reduced and changed to a short encyclopedic article. Since the article is almost as long as the path itself (2528 kilometers), this may take a couple of weeks.

DrMennoWolters (talk) 13:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

The new project launched by a majority of WikiTravel users and Wikipedia seems to offer the opportunity to put an end to the dispute about the nature of this article. I intend to move the detailed descriptive text from WikiTravel to WikiVoyage and, when that is successfully done, to edit the text in Wikipedia in a more encyclopaedic manner. DrMennoWolters (talk) 15:30, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Please help to reduce, re-edit and rewrite this article in a more encyclopedic style!
The present article about European hiking trail E11 must be worked out in two ways: 1) a shorter and more encyclopedic text must be made out of this one and keep a place in Wikipedia; 2) a travel guide type of text like the present one must get a place in WikiVoyage, for which it must meet certain, as yet unknown, style standards. Two obstacles must be taken before all this can be done: 1) participants in the WikiProject Hiking Trails must decide whether their articles should remain in Wikipedia or must become part of WikiVoyage. 2) a new tool must be created that links directly from a word in a WikiVoyage article to an article about that word in Wikipedia. It will be used about 200 times in the present article!

Wikipedia and WikiVoyage editors, bureaucrats and robots, please help to set style standards for these types of texts, so that authors writing about itineraries know what they should do!

Contributors to Wikipedia and WikiVoyage, please help to create the two texts wanted out of the present unsatisfying text! DrMennoWolters (talk) 20:36, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Today large parts of this article were copied to WikiVoyage
Today large parts of this article were copied to WikiVoyage's article on "E11 hiking trail" to become an "itinerary" type of article there. The text in Wikipedia will now be reduced and made more encyclopedic. DrMennoWolters (talk) 18:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Please help with making pictures visible
I try to use some pictures that I found elsewhere in Wikipedia, but they refuse to show up in this article. I don't know what I do wrong. Two examples: 1. There is a little map of E11 in European long-distance paths which would be most useful at the top of the template, but does not show. Why? 2. The Dutch text about E11 has a picture of a "kiepkerl" (hawker), but I cannot get it in the English text. Why? Anybody with more technical skills than I have, please help to add these pictures to the text! Thank you, DrMennoWolters (talk) 10:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the map. I hope that somebody can fix the Kiepkerl file as well. DrMennoWolters (talk) 07:23, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Is this encyclopedic enough ?
This article has now been re-edited to render it more encyclopedic and less like a travel guide. Anybody who wants to add encyclopedic information is welcome. Note: the part of the trail after Ketrzyn will be re-edited and updated after June, 2013. Hopefully, the travel guide tag on top of the article can now be removed. DrMennoWolters (talk) 09:44, 13 January 2013 (UTC) WP:RfC

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