Talk:EOS Group

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Draft rejected - why exactly?
Dear, thanks for your quick review. However, I cannot share your assessment that a promotional article would have been written here. What sections or sentences are written like this? Can you give details?

In my opinion, a promotional article would contain no statement about criticism of the company. Also such an article would certainly say nothing about the data leak/data theft. Even about lobbying, ie representation of interests or influencing, such an article would certainly give nothing.

This article is a translation from the de.wikipedia.org. There it has not been criticized, although many Wikipedians observe it.

When writing it, I made sure that neutrality was ensured. With the history section, I believe no one can advertise a company. The history section is based in part on two business-related sources. These are anniversary publications that show stages of corporate development. In some cases I referred on business reports of OTTO. But the section on history also refers to many sources that have nothing to do with EOS or OTTO. These are for example:
 * Hamburger Abendblatt
 * Die Welt
 * Welt am Sonntag
 * tw - Thema Wirtschaft
 * Financial Times Deutschland
 * Der Versandhausberater
 * ONEtoONE
 * El Confidencial
 * Markt und Mittelstand
 * Immobilien & Finanzierung – Der Langfristige Kredit
 * Wirtschaftswoche

Other sections also use sources like:
 * Bayerische Staatszeitung
 * Vente d'Alphapay
 * Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
 * Mitteldeutsche Zeitung
 * Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung
 * Winsener Anzeiger
 * Die Tageszeitung
 * Behörden Spiegel
 * Lebensmittel Zeitung
 * Werben & Verkaufen
 * Express
 * Computer Magazin für die Praxis
 * c't
 * Donaukurier
 * Die Zeit
 * Der Standard
 * Süddeutsche Zeitung
 * Der Tagesspiegel
 * Impulse
 * Controlling & management review. Zeitschrift für Controlling & Management
 * VerkehrsRundschau
 * Tages-Anzeiger
 * Bloomberg

I thought again: Are there any possibilities of reduction? I can see that in the section on business figures. I have shortened the section significantly. In my opinion this also underlines that no advertising has been done.

What do you think? Atomiccocktail (talk) 09:29, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Promotional terms
Comment: Promotional terms include for example "The EOS Group has more than 55 operating companies with locations in 26 countries" "regarded as Germany’s largest debt collection provider" " quickly developed into one of the largest debt collecting companies in the Federal Republic of Germany" "EOS says that it covers 180 countries along with its partner organisations" " It dominates the financial services segment within the Group" Theroadislong (talk) 09:56, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Dear ,

Thank you for your immediate feedback. I moved the discussion to the disc page. I think that suits better here.

I made some changes.
 * I changed the first sentence. Now there are no more numbers given.
 * A source is given for the statement "regarded as Germany's largest debt collection provider".
 * You're right: "quickly developed into one of the largest ...." I deleted the "quickly" and specified a source.
 * The statement "It dominates the financial services segment within the Group" now has three sources from different years: Wirtschaftswoche, Handelsblatt and OTTO's latest annual report.
 * "EOS says it covers 180 countries along with its partner organizations." I deleted this sentence without substitution.

Thanks for your hints. What do you think? Is that OK? Atomiccocktail (talk) 14:09, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, would you like to take another look at last changes? Is the draft ok now? Atomiccocktail (talk) 15:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You are being paid to edit, I am not, I have no further help to offer. Theroadislong (talk) 17:37, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit request (2020-07-30: some updates and additions)
Hello everyone, there is some new information available. I would be grateful if someone could include them in the article. Thank you very much in advance. Atomiccocktail (talk) 14:22, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

a) Infobox Revenue was EUR 853,1 million (fiscal 2019/20); Number of employees was 7,578 (fiscal 2019/20)

b) Introduction of the article Canada should be added. The EOS Group is a holding company that operates financial services companies with locations in Europe, in the United States and Canada.

c) Chapter "Since 2005" It should be added at the end of the section: At the end of 2018, the Group sold Health AG and the Swiss Zahnärztekasse AG to BAWAG P.S.K.

d) Chapter "Organisation and locations" The year could be updated. At the beginning of the year 2020 the group included more than 60 operating companies. It has established locations in 26 countries in Europe and North America.

e) Chapter "Financial information" Revenue should be updated. Refs at the end could be shortened. In 2019/20 the company achieved a revenue of 853,1 million euros. Since 2005, credit rating agency Euler Hermes Rating has consistently awarded EOS Holding the rating A.


 * ✅ &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:22, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Edit request (2022-02-01: minor update)
Hello all. Here comes a proposal (paid edit) for an update.

1) The info box should be updated.

Klaus Engberding should be replaced there by Marwin Ramcke.

2) The last sentence in the History section should now be:

On February 1, 2022, Marwin Ramcke took over as CEO.

I would be happy if the proposal would be implemented. Many thanks in advance. Atomiccocktail (talk) 08:06, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Sources check out, accepted. WilsonP NYC (talk) 20:38, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Closing request as answered. Z1720 (talk) 00:49, 3 April 2022 (UTC)