Talk:Earl Cain/Archive 1

Character list
Since the character section on this page is most of the page, I think the character list should have its own page. If nobody has any problems with this, then I will move the character section to its own page. Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:04, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Done. There is now a separate page for the characters:List of Godchild characters. Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, in case anyone was wondering, the page got moved. The character list is now at List of Earl Cain Series characters. Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Move page to Earl Cain Series
Hi. I think that this page should be renamed Earl Cain Series, so that it can include the prequel, The Cain Saga, as well. That way, it will be able to cover The Cain Saga too. If no one minds, then I will move the page. Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Chapter list
I've started an impromptu chapter list (i.e. no real formatting) at User:Dinoguy1000/Chapter lists, feel free to contribute to it. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 21:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I already have put The Cain Saga into a formatted chapter list; should I add that to the chapter list? Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Nah, just copy the essentials from my list and add them to your (properly formatted and much more complete) list. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 22:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Reception
Okay, I have rewriten the reception section paragraph into two paragraphs: one for The Cain Saga and one for Godchild. Well here it is.

Jason Thompson of Manga:The Complete Guide felt The Cain Saga had "repetitive but entertaining pulp" stories. In her reviews of the first and second volumes of The Cain Saga, Danielle Van Gorder of Mania Entertainment found the stories "somewhat predictable" and criticized the "disjointed" feel of the first volume; however, she felt that by the second volume, the stories had become more connected as a whole. Although she found the art "much less refined" than Kaori Yuki's later work, Angel Sanctuary, she noted the "sometimes beautiful and sometimes gruesome detail" of The Cain Saga. Jason Thompson felt that the "often rough and crowded" art of The Cain Saga "gets the story across" in contrast to the art of Godchild.

In contrast, Godchild was generally more well recieved by reviewers. Deb Aoki of About.com put Godchild on her Horror Manga Recommended Reading List. She praised it, saying that "The art is ravishing but it doesn't candy-coat the grim stories and decadent deeds detailed in these stories". A.E. Sparrow of IGN Comics saw Godchild as "a more gothic Scooby Doo without all the formalas and goofy humor". In her follow up review, Danielle Van Gorder said "[d]espite a rough beginning, this series has really come a long way and developed into something that a wide range of readers can love". Amber S.'s review at Teen Ink praised the "dark and mysterious atmosphere" of Godchild as well as the characters and plotline. In contrast, Jason Thompson criticized the art and plot of Godchild, feeling that the details overcompensated for the "confused" storyline.

Any thoughts about it? Kaguya-chan (talk) 15:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Shounen-ai?
I was on onemanga and Godchild was categorized as shounen-ai. Is it right to presume so or is the whole Riff/Cain thing just platonic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.131.63.181 (talk) 04:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For starters, onemanga, which is a copyvio site so we can't use it as a source, is not a reliable source. Also, categorizing something as shounen-ai requires doing a bit of original research. What can be said is that the whole series ran in Hana to Yume, which is a shōjo manga anthology. --Farix (Talk) 11:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Um...I've read the whole series and it is just (very beautiful) platonic love. Kaguya-chan (talk) 19:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Cover picture
Hi. I decided to upload the Japanese cover of volume 1. The problem is the picture is way too big and I have no idea how to shrink it (or if it is even possible). If anybody knows how to fix this, please please do. The picture is at: File:Cain 01 cover.jpg. Kaguya-chan (talk) 00:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Since it's a JPEG, shrinking it isn't possible without some quality loss. I think there's a project somewhere around here where you can request image work... Unfortunately, I can never remember where it's at, so I simply tagged the image to be rescaled. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 18:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I found what I hope is the project you mentioned. (Is it Graphic Lab/Image workshop?) Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's it (and the picture has already been resized). I actually found it after tagging the image, and then added a link on my userpage so I won't forget it again. =) 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 19:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Problem
Um... in the production section, it says that the line "And that's all" is from "This Old Man" but in the actual poem there is no such line (in the English version anyway). So, um the question is: in the Japanese version of "This Old Man" is there a line something like "And that's all"? Kaguya-chan (talk) 15:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

GA
So, does anyone know what it would take to bring this article up to good article status? Any suggestions? Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:10, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
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This is also an FA semi-auto reviewer so it can be a bit harsh. Thanks, Extremepro (talk) 09:10, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Drama CD picture
Hi. Could someone take a look at the drama CD picture and see if it's low resolution. If it isn't, could someone fix it so that it is? Thank you. Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It should be low res enough. Extremepro (talk) 23:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Drama CDs and the South Korean publisher
The Japanese Wikipedia lists three drama CDs, but I've only found the first two on Amazon. Plus, could somebody find a ref for the South Korean publisher, Daiwon C.I.? It's listed in the infobox and must have been overlooked. :) Thanks, Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The third Drama CD was never released, just a freebie given to subscribers to the Hana to Yume magazine. I can't find any refs that Daiwon C.I. published Earl Cain. It wasn't listed on ANN. Nor on the Daiwon's website. Extremepro (talk) 09:13, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha! That explains a lot. Well, I'll go remove it from the infobox. Do you think the drama CD is notable enough to be mentioned? Kaguya-chan (talk) 16:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Since it's just a freebie CD, I doubt it. It's not listed on Amazon nor cdjapan. Extremepro (talk) 07:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Reviews
At this point, 21 of the 57 sources on this page come from reviews. (About one third.) So the question is how many more need to be added? Does every single review have to be included? I'm really really happy that the series got this much coverage, but still... Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Because if so, here's another one:
 * - Mania
 * - Active Anime

Serialization dates
Hi. Has anyone found a reliable source for the serialization dates? Because the Japanese wikipedia lists the serialization dates for Godchild as 2001—2003, which doesn't match the 2001—2004 currently listed on the English page. Kaguya-chan (talk) 00:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)