Talk:Early Birds of Aviation

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 * On that date the US Army started training pilots in larger numbers for WWI. --~

Members

 * Nicholas R. Abberly
 * Steadham Acker
 * Raynold E. Acre
 * Baxter H. Adams
 * Walter J. Addems
 * William R. Aitken
 * Eduardo Aldasoro
 * Juan Pablo Aldasoro
 * A. Livingston Allan
 * Walter E. Allen
 * Lawrence M. Allison
 * Malcolm G. Allison
 * Francis I. Amory
 * A. Francis Arcier
 * Charles A. Arens
 * Robert J. Armor
 * Edward R. Armstrong
 * Robert T. Armstrong
 * George B. Arnold
 * Henry Harley Arnold
 * Arthur Aston
 * Vincent Astor
 * Bert M. Atkinson
 * Harry N. Atwood
 * Stuart F. Auer
 * Reinhardt N. Ausmus
 * William Avery
 * Verne C. Babcock
 * W. Barlett Bacon
 * Edgar W. Bagnell
 * Frederick W. Baldwin
 * William Ivy Baldwin
 * H. Clyde Balsley
 * Niel Bangs
 * Horatio Barber
 * Floyd E. Barlow
 * Ralph S. Barnaby
 * George E. Barnhart
 * Richard B. Barnitz
 * Rutledge B. Barry
 * Carl S. Bates
 * Edmond E. Bates
 * Mortimer F. Bates
 * Carl T. Batts
 * Hillery Beachey
 * George W. Beatty
 * Harvey A. Beilgard
 * Frank J. Bell
 * Giuseppe M. Bellanca
 * Edward A. Bellande
 * Patrick N. L. Bellinger
 * Joseph S. Bennett
 * Lester F. Bishop
 * Filip A. Bjorklund
 * Louis Bleriot
 * Joseph A. Blondin
 * Pierre de Lagarde Boal
 * Edward R. Boland
 * Joseph J. Boland
 * Alfred Bolognesi
 * Allen F. Bonnalie
 * C. R. Borkland
 * William Bouldin III
 * Bounds Overton M. Bounds
 * George N. Boyd
 * Philip Boyer
 * Jesse C. Brabazon
 * Brabazon Lord of Tara
 * Eric T. Bradley
 * Caleb S. Bragg
 * Fred H. Brauninger
 * Homer L. Bredouw
 * Louis C. Breguet
 * Lewis H. Brereton
 * George H. Brett
 * Bruno Brevonesi
 * Georgia "Tiny" Broadwick
 * Walter L. Brock
 * William S. Brock
 * Walter R. Brookins
 * John B. Brooks
 * Gerald E. Brower
 * Harold Haskell Brown
 * Harry B. Brown
 * Lawrence W. Brown
 * Ralph M. Brown
 * W. Norman Brown
 * Harry A. Bruno
 * John C. Bryan
 * Mahlon P. Bryan
 * Alys McKey Bryant
 * Frank M. Bryant
 * Gilbert G. Budwig
 * Walter R. Bullock
 * Vernon L. Burge
 * Vincent J. Burnelli
 * Arthur C. Burns
 * Frank H. Burnside
 * Paul V. Burwell
 * Jeanette Doty Caldwell
 * J. Lansing Callan
 * Buel H. Canady
 * Leon E. Canady
 * Joseph E. Carberry
 * Norbert J. Carolin
 * Walter J. Carr
 * Philip A. Carroll
 * Ralph B. Carter
 * Verne Carter
 * Joseph L. Cato
 * Clyde V. Cessna
 * Alfred N. Chandler
 * C. deF. Chandler
 * Carleton G. Chapman
 * Arthur R. Christie
 * William W. Christmas
 * Harry P. Christofferson
 * Church Everitt Vail Church
 * Clark George Russell Clark
 * Clark Virginius E. Clark
 * Claverie Armand Walter Claverie
 * Clinger W. R. Clinger
 * Coffyn Frank T. Coffyn
 * Cogswell Stewart W. Cogswell
 * Clarence B. Coombs
 * John D. Cooper
 * Harry D. Copland
 * Frank T. Courtney
 * Parker D. Cramer
 * Harvey Crawford
 * Harry B. Crewdson
 * W. Redmond Cross
 * Kent Crowell
 * H. Paul Culver
 * A. A. Cunningham
 * John F. Curran
 * John F. Curry
 * Greely S. Curtis
 * Glenn H. Curtiss
 * L. Luzerne Custer
 * John B. Daniell
 * Herbert A. Dargue
 * Earl S. Daugherty
 * Howard C. Davidson
 * Stuart V. Davis
 * Walter C. Davis, Sr.
 * F. Trubee Davison
 * Charles H. Day
 * Curtiss LaQ. Day
 * Antonio S. DeBustamente
 * Luis DeFlorez
 * Clarence A. DeGiers
 * Dana C. DeHart
 * Fred Korstad DeKor
 * Serigius DeMitkiewicz
 * William A. Denehie
 * Richard H. Depew, Jr.
 * Lionel H. DeRemer
 * Jean F. DeVillard
 * Fairman R. Dick
 * Charles Dickinson (Honorary)
 * William C. Diehl
 * Ralph C. Diggins
 * William E. Doherty
 * Charles H. Dolan II
 * Charles Dollfus
 * John Domenjoz
 * Burton M. Doolittle
 * Henry Dora
 * Raymond E. Dowd
 * Carl H. Duede
 * David E. Dunlap
 * James L. Dunsworth
 * Francis V. Dupont
 * Warren S. Eaton
 * Herman A. Ecker
 * Samuel B. Eckert
 * John P. Edgerly
 * Gustav J. Ekstrom
 * Frank H. Ellis
 * Theodore G. Ellyson
 * Albert Elton
 * Raffe Emerson
 * Albert J. Engel
 * LeRoy M. Ennis
 * Louis G. Erickson
 * Frithiof G. Ericson
 * Robert Esnault-Pelterie
 * J. Dickinson Este
 * Francis T. Evans
 * W. Hendrick Evers
 * Henri Fabre
 * Elisha N. Fales
 * Charles L. Fay
 * Louis A. Fenouillet
 * Harry Ferguson
 * Paul L. Ferron
 * Farnum T. Fish
 * Sheplar W. FitzGerald
 * Max C. Fleischmann
 * Anthony H. G. Fokker
 * Harry H. Ford
 * Joseph R. Forkner
 * Benjamin D. Foulois
 * Heraclio Alfaro Fournier
 * Harold S. Fowler
 * Robert G. Fowler
 * Roy N. Francis
 * Joseph Frantz
 * William T. Fray
 * John F. Freund
 * Arthur T. Frolich
 * Donald Frost
 * John Frost
 * Rutherford Fullerton
 * John R. Gammeter
 * Harry Gantz
 * Paul E. Garber
 * Ben Garrison
 * Ivan R. Gates
 * George Gay
 * Louis H. Gertson
 * William W. Gibson
 * George S. Gillespie
 * E.A. Goff, Jr.
 * Frank W. Goodale
 * Lewis E. Goodier, Jr.
 * Donald H. Gordon
 * Gorrell Edgar S. Gorrell
 * Graham Harry T. Graham
 * Grant Charles H. Grant
 * Grant Rudolph R. Grant
 * Graulich Harry D. Graulich
 * George A. Gray
 * John F. Gray
 * William Greene
 * David Gregg
 * Michael Gregor
 * George D. Grundy, Jr. (Last Surviving Member)
 * Emil Gustafson
 * Clifton O. Hadley
 * Ernest C. Hall
 * George E. A. Hallett
 * Garnet R. Halliday
 * Thomas F. Hamilton
 * Lee Hammond
 * Stedman S. Hanks
 * Thomas J. Hanley
 * Millard F. Harmon
 * William Harper, Jr.
 * Helen Hodge Harris
 * Arthur J. Hartman
 * Harold E. Hartney
 * B. R. J. Hassell
 * Charles E. Hathorn
 * William E. Haupt
 * Beckwith Havens
 * Willis B. Haviland
 * Alan R. Hawley
 * Jack W. Heard
 * Edward B. Heath
 * Andrew H. Heermance
 * Leo G. Heffernan
 * Howard J. Heindell
 * Albert S. Heinrich
 * Arthur O. Heinrich
 * John C. Henning
 * Charles A. Herrman
 * Charles E. Hess
 * Eugene Heth
 * William A. Hetlich, Jr.
 * Robert P. Hewitt
 * John E. Hickey
 * Frederick C. Hild
 * Erik Hildes-Heim
 * Stanley Hiller
 * Edward F. Hinkle
 * Melvin W. Hodgdon
 * Russell Holderman
 * Edward H. Holterman
 * Max Holtzem
 * Frederick A. Hoover
 * Orton W. Hoover
 * Clarence F. Horton
 * Fred Hummel
 * Frederick E. Humphreys
 * Huntington Howard Huntington
 * Hutchinson Joseph R. Hutchinson
 * Leslie L. Irvin
 * E. K. Jaquith
 * William C. Jenkins
 * Shakir S. Jerwan
 * Christian Johanssen
 * Davenport Johnson
 * Edward A. Johnson
 * Frank H. Johnson
 * James M. Johnson
 * Louis Johnson
 * Robert R. Johnson
 * Victor G. Johnson
 * Walter E. Johnson
 * Archibald B. Johnston
 * Byron Q. Jones
 * Ernest L. Jones
 * Harry M. Jones
 * Assen Jordanoff
 * J. William Kabitzke
 * John G. Kaminski
 * Harold D. Kantner
 * Frank Kastory
 * Victorin Katchinsky
 * Horace P. Keane
 * George M. Keightley
 * Edward A. Kelly
 * Ralph B. Kennard
 * Frank M. Kennedy
 * Walter G. Kilner
 * Leo B. Kimball
 * Wilbur R. Kimball
 * R. M. Kinderman
 * Bertell W. King
 * Jerome Kingsbury
 * James L. Kinney
 * Roy C. Kirtland
 * Daniel Kiser
 * A. Roy Knabenshue
 * Roland S. Knowlson
 * Alfred Koenig
 * Auguste K. Koerbling
 * Esten B. Koger
 * Edward A. Korn
 * James S. Krull
 * Carl T. Kuhl
 * John K. LaGrone
 * Frank P. Lahm
 * Emil Matthew Laird
 * Dean Lamb
 * Albert B. Lambert
 * William A. Lamkey
 * Jean M. Landrey
 * Boyd Latham
 * Ruth Law (see "Oliver Ruth B. Law")
 * Frank W. LaVista
 * Oliver C. LeBoutillier
 * E. Hamilton Lee
 * Robert E. Lee
 * Walter E. Lees
 * Bruce G. Leighton
 * Willy Lenert
 * Lawrence Leon
 * Lawrence J. Lesh
 * Samuel C. Lewis
 * Goethe Link
 * Walter J. Lissauer
 * Allan H. Lockheed (Loughead)
 * Grover C. Loening
 * Albin K. Longren
 * Flavius E. Loudy
 * Israel Ludlow
 * Theodore C. Macauley
 * Leslie C. MacDill
 * Charles S. MacDonald
 * Robert F. MacFie
 * Kenneth Marr
 * Richard C. Marshall
 * Glenn L. Martin
 * Harold S. Martin
 * James V. Martin
 * Didier Masson
 * William A. Mattery
 * Hiram Percy Maxim
 * James C. McBride
 * James B. McCalley, Jr.
 * John W. McClaskey
 * John A. D. McCurdy
 * Edward O. McDonnell
 * William M. McIlvain
 * George F. McLaughlin
 * Emil Meinecke
 * George Meissner
 * Russell L. Meredith
 * Glenn E. Messer Note: external wiki article at www.bhamwiki.com exists here:
 * Cord Meyer
 * Charles W. Meyers
 * Bernetta Miller
 * Lestere Miller
 * Lloyd E. Miller
 * William C. Miller
 * T. DeWitt Milling
 * Frank Mills
 * Robert J. Minshall
 * Arthur H. Mix
 * Matilde Moisant
 * Robert S. Moore
 * Stuart A. Morgan
 * Raymond V. Morris
 * P. G. B. Morriss
 * Herbert A. Munter
 * George D. Murray
 * Edwin C. Musick
 * George F. Myers
 * Earl L. Naiden
 * C. Edward Nelson
 * Nels J. Nelson
 * Douglas B. Netherwood
 * George Netzow
 * John M. H. Nichols
 * Russell B. North
 * Willy Otto Ober
 * Ruth B. Law Oliver
 * Edward Olivier
 * Earle L. Ovington
 * George A. Page
 * Stanley H. Page
 * Joseph M. Pallissard
 * Harry Park
 * Evan J. Parker
 * Fred F. Parker
 * Will D. Parker
 * Augustin Parla
 * Edwin C. Parsons
 * Charles H. Paterson
 * John W. Pattison
 * Felix W. Pawlowski
 * John F. Petre
 * Luba G. Phillips
 * Elmo N. Pickerill
 * Sydney Pickles
 * Percy Pierce
 * Samuel S. Pierce
 * Augustus Post
 * Edwin M. Post, Jr.
 * George B. Post
 * Claude W. Pound
 * Clarence O. Prest
 * Maurice L. Prevost
 * Frederick H. Prime
 * Frederick H. Prince, Jr.
 * John D. Probst, Jr.
 * Ira J. Profitt
 * George H. Prudden
 * Sam A. Purcell
 * Rader Ira A. Rader
 * Ramsey Dewitt C. Ramsey
 * Rankin Alexander Rankin
 * Arthur Ray
 * Albert C. Read
 * Charles Reed
 * Andrew Reid
 * Marshall E. Reid
 * Clearton H. Reynolds
 * Harry V. Reynolds
 * Harrison C. Richards
 * Holden C. Richardson
 * Arthur L. Richmond
 * Howard Max Rinehart
 * Hugh A. Robinson
 * Jean Alfred Roche
 * Robert L. Rockwell
 * Wallace L. Rockwell
 * Bernard F. Roehrig
 * Roland Rohlfs
 * Domingo Rosillo
 * Oliver A. Rosto
 * Ralph Royce
 * George F. Russell
 * Lucille Belmont Rutshaw
 * Gustavo Salinas-Camina
 * Alberto Salinas-Carranza
 * Bert Saunders
 * Martin F. Scanlon
 * William G. Schauffer
 * Frank Schoeber
 * Rudolf W. Schroeder
 * Edward G. Schultz
 * Blanche Stuart Scott
 * Lyle H. Scott
 * George H. Scragg
 * William E. Scripps
 * Howard M. Shafer
 * Castle W. Shaffer
 * Cleve T. Shaffer
 * Walter J. Shaffer
 * Robert F. Shank
 * Samuel H. Sharp
 * B. Russell Shaw
 * William H. Sheahan
 * A.P. Shirley
 * Charles W. Shoemaker
 * Joseph Shoemaker
 * Igor I. Sikorsky
 * Milton H. Simmons
 * Oliver G. Simmons
 * Robert Simon
 * Dorothy Peirce Sims
 * Cecil R. Sinclair
 * Albert D. Smith
 * Hilder F. Smith
 * James Floyd Smith
 * Jay D. Smith
 * Lawton V. Smith
 * Orval H. Snyder
 * Oscar A. Solbrig
 * Sir Thomas O. M. Sopwith
 * Carl A. Spatz
 * Earl W. Spencer, Jr.
 * Percival Hopkins Spencer
 * Thomas Eric Springer
 * Anthony Stadlman
 * William M. Stark
 * Arney P. Stenrud
 * Thomas E. Steptoe
 * John B. Stetson
 * Robert J. Stewart
 * Edward A. Stinson, Jr.
 * Katherine Stinson
 * Marjorie Stinson
 * Paul R. Stockton
 * Arthur B. Stone
 * E. F. Stone
 * George E. Stratemayer
 * John G. Stratton
 * Paul Studenski
 * Max F. Stupar
 * Hugo Sunstedt
 * Harry B. Suppe
 * William Fred Suppe
 * Andrew M. Surini
 * Adolph G. Sutro
 * John Redondo B. Sutton
 * Maurice Tabuteau
 * Gurdon L. Tarbox
 * Lansing K. Tevis
 * William Thaw
 * Joseph H. Thomas
 * William T. Thomas
 * DeLloyd Thompson
 * Carl H. Thomsen
 * Charles Burrell Tibbs
 * Sam A. Tickell
 * Carter Tiffany
 * Otto W. Timm
 * Henry E. Toncray
 * Joseph R. Torrey
 * John H. Towers
 * J. Clifford Turpin
 * Horace B. Tuttle
 * John H. Tweed
 * Ralph H. Upson
 * G. E. Van Arsdale
 * Clifford C. Vandivort
 * Stanley I. Vaughn
 * Victor Vernon
 * J. B. R. Verplanck
 * Jack Vilas
 * Sydney A. Vincent
 * H. Roy Waite
 * Henry W. Walden
 * L.L. Walker, Sr.
 * Arthur P. Warner
 * Robert A. Warren
 * Waldo D. Waterman
 * Hugh Watson
 * Clifford L. Webster
 * Harry J. Webster
 * Elling O. Weeks
 * Howard F. Wehrle
 * Charles F. West
 * Ivan P. Wheaton
 * Ray Wheeler
 * Bernard L. Whelan
 * John Taylor Hammond Whitaker
 * George Clarke Whiting
 * Kenneth Whiting
 * Kirby L. Whitsett
 * Charles D. Wiggin
 * C. Livingston Wiggin
 * Paul E. Wilbur
 * Horace B. Wild
 * Francis A. Wildman
 * Charles F. Willard
 * William P. Willets
 * George W. Williams, Jr.
 * Harold B. Willis
 * Hugh L. Willoughby
 * Fred J. Wiseman
 * Charles C. Witmer
 * Charles R. Witteman
 * C. Murvin Wood
 * Frank W. Wright
 * Orville Wright (Honorary)
 * Roderick M. Wright
 * Wilbur Wright (Honorary)
 * James M. Wulpi
 * Charles D. Wyman
 * Forrest E. Wysong
 * George E. Yeager
 * David H. Young
 * Edward H. Young
 * Errol H. Zistel-->

Date
What is the significance of 17 December 1916? Emeraude 17:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * On that date the US Army started training pilots in larger numbers for WWI. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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Should we have so many redlinks in an article
I have doubts we can justify every creating an article on so many people, and also doubts that it makes sense to have so many redlinks. With the number of redlinks we have here I also have to wonder, have people made sure all the currently listed links actually go to the right article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:00, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a page that doesn't know if it's an article or a list. If the list of members is noteworthy it should probably be spun off into its own page. Retswerb (talk) 02:57, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

The opening and explanation is a mess
There are evidently 2 different organizations with this name. The first disolved, and then a later organization was formed using the same name. Part of me thinks we maybe should have seperate articles on the two different organizations. We should at a minimum not use the description of the current organization in 1 paragraphy, then give the history of the other, and then explain how the current organization came to be.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Nationality
This appears to only have US members with the odd exception. I think this needs to be made clear upfraot if not in the title. I came here looking for all pioneers and this is not what I expected. 86.15.94.125 (talk) 16:09, 4 August 2023 (UTC)