Talk:Early skyscrapers/Archive 1

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I've had a go at an article on this topic; any copyediting welcome! Given the theme, I've tried to go for US English throughout, but being British, I may have missed some: corrections are welcomed. :) Hchc2009 (talk) 19:52, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * A nice looking article. I have one question though, how did you decide on the title "Early skyscrapers"? Is it the predominant name for skyscrapers built during this era, similar to the name "pre history", or was it just a designation you thought fit the best? If it is the common name then that is fine, if not I wonder whether it might be better to use a date or something a bit more precise in the title. I admit to being quite ignorant of this topic (I just noticed it because it was nominated at WP:GA and it looked interesting), it is just that I have not seen too many titles here defined using early. AIR corn (talk) 08:21, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheers! Ref the name, it's used a fair bit in the literature as a label. Hchc2009 (talk) 21:04, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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The title seems informal (also hard to find, as it does not begin with the subject but an adjective.) Skyscrapers (History) would seem better. Alanscottwalker (talk) 23:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It's an interesting point. Though I'm not sure that article titles are covered in the GA criteria - except maybe under NPOV - criteria 4. Did you intend to make this point in the GA review, or was it aimed at the article talkpage?  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  00:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Talk page moved now. Alanscottwalker (talk) 01:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC) However, your point about neutrality may broadly cover it: is the article about skyscrapper history (eg. encyclopedic in scope) or some selected early skyscrapers.  It seems to aim is for the former but the title suggests a lesser (perhaps arbitrary) coverage.  In addition to the other title issues. (Lots of good effort on the article by the by (so thanks to the primary contributor for that) Alanscottwalker (talk) 01:16, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd avoided "skyscrapers (history)", as it deliberately doesn't go beyond 1939. The academic literature usually breaks at the that date, producing detailed histories (which is what I was initially aiming at here) on either the "early" period, or alternatively "modern skyscrapers" (or a variant like "modern/post modern skyscrapers", "post-war skyscrapers" etc.) An article that aimed to do the overall history of skyscrapers would be a great article - but it would almost certainly need subarticles for those broad periods, just because of length. I considered something like "skyscrapers (history, 1870-1939)" - or a MOS compliant variant thereof! - but I'll admit it felt less natural and less in accordance with the language used in the literature. If folks feel that the current version doesn't fit with the MOS, we do need to change it though, and I'm definitely not an expert in MOS titles! :) Hchc2009 (talk) 07:43, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, perhaps you just chose the best one. "Early" seems vague but there you go.  Seems "Skyscrapers (1870-1939)" would be better but I can't see it as required.  Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm possibly right! I wouldn't stand in the way of a title change though if you wished to make it. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:49, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Even more shocking, I'm possibly wrong! But I will think longer about it and mayhap discover that's not possible after all. Thanks. Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:12, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

"Early skyscrapers" was a common term I found when doing a bit of background reading. It is the term used in reliable sources, and has the advantage of being WP:NATURAL.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  16:22, 13 November 2012 (UTC)