Talk:Earp Vendetta Ride

Sources needed
This article could use some sourcing. I just added the first footnote, and that was on a minor point.--Lastexit 14:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The information on Ringo's death contradicts the same topic in his page. Ours18 11:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You noticed. It does indeed, and the Ringo article is much more historical. The reason is that the info HERE was added by somebody who believes the stuff about Ringo in "I Married Wyatt Earp", a good part of which is now known to have been completely fictionalized by Glen Boyer from a nonexistant Sadie Earp manuscript (only one is known as authentic and it omits this material), and is therefore generally not a reliable historical source (again, this includes most of the Ringo material). Sadie did not in general dwell on Wyatt's shoot-em-up exploits, and she never claimed the Earps or Holliday killed Ringo. It needs fixing when I get around to it. Meanwhile, I suggest anybody with a copy of "I Married Wyatt Earp" move it to the dime-novel western fiction part of their bookshelves, right alongside the Louis L'Amour. S  B Harris 17:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * At the worst, this should be converted to an account of a great American folk tale. Wow, great stuff! At best, someone should indicated on this talk page if that intention to fix has born any fruit, and it would be very good to have two articles or one that indicates what is folklore and what verifiable. And, the expression
 * "Cowboys"
 * (quotes are from the article, not mine) needs some explanation -- Do i recall that the Clantons functioned as an outlaw gang called "the Cowboys"? Is that gang worth an article? Hmm, i did just find
 * The Clantons and their ranch hands and associates were known as the "Cow-boys",...
 * in the last 'graph of Ike Clanton.
 * Can anyone get back up to speed on this quickly, as opposed to someone having to sit down and start from scratch as i would have to? --Jerzy•t 04:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The Marcus account deviates from Fred Dodge (at the time of the Tombstone activities an uncover agent of Wells Fargo pretending to be a gambler) in his autobiographical UNDERCOVER FOR WELLS FARGO: THE UNVARNISHED RECOLLECTIONS OF FRED DOGE, edited by Carolyn Lake.1969, Houghton Mifflin Co. Pony Deal, a friend of Ringo's found the body. Dodge,who admittedly did chum around with the Earps and was in some gunplay with them as an ally, also knows for a fact that Frank Leslie was nowhere near Ringo during the time of his shooting.It is likely that Johnny-behind-the-deuce killed Ringo and then Pony Deal, Ringo's old pal, killed Johnny.This is explicitly said by Dodge in his letter of Sept. 15, 1929 to Stuart N. Lake (Pp. 238-9 in the above cited book. Anson Shupe, Dept. of Sociology, Ind-Purdue Univesity, Fort Wayne, IN email: Shupe@IPFW.edu  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.76.114 (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Ridiculous statements
In the aftermath section it said the remaining outlaws were "drove out of the territory" by the Behan posse. This is not at all true. Ike Clanton remained in the territory until his death in 1887, Pony Diehl remained in the territory until his death a few months after the ride. Johnny Ringo was killed by Doc holliday or killed himself in Arizona territory at Turkey Creek and there is no record of Hank Swilling's death. Basically the Earps came to Arizona, pissed off the locals with their beatings and gun laws and then were attacked by the locals and ran away after Wyatt Earp failed to catch the cowboys and got his brothers either shot or killed.--Az81964444 (talk) 01:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Wyatt "got his brothers shot"? How does anybody "get" another person backshot and ambushed by unseen snipers? You're not much into personal responsiblity, I suppose. However low the Earps got, they never got that low. If the Cowboys wanted badges, they had every opportunity to get them the same way the Earps did. Again, though, the Cowboys went lower. The Earps never stuffed a ballot box, and the Cowboys did. In fact, that was how Behan got Wyatt's old job of Pima Co. undersheriff, and without that job, Wyatt would likely have been Cochise Co. sheriff at the time of the gunfight, not Behan. However, you are quite right about Behan never driving any outlaws out of A.T. S  B Harris 01:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Earp may not have "caught" all the Cowboys, but he took down Curly Bill and he was the head of the gang. Ringo was killed by Doc (or committed suicide) and he was the heart and soul. So, I'd say Earp did a lot more than "piss off the locals". The Cowboys were a blight - by all accounts - and the Earps succeeded in taking down (at least four) of their number, including the head and his top man. How that is a Cowboy "victory" as the page states, is beyond me. Also, how do you figure the Earps "ran away"? They rode out after the Cowboys and had several altercations with them, killing at least four, wounding at least one, and when they realized they were never going to be able to confront the group they disbanded after three weeks of riding, shooting and chasing these scum. Again, how you see that as "running away" I'm not sure. Wyatt's brother had been assassinated, his older brother had been badly wounded, what would you do? Stick around forever? He succeeded in his "vendetta ride", and he wasn't a bloodthirsty animal. Sane men get tired of riding and killing, particularly when they were involved in such a jurisdictional nightmare. Maybe you would have stuck around and done more, but I think it's safe to say that most sane men would have done what Wyatt did, and disbanded. He had more than himself to think about. You don't know what went on in that posse. The other men may have grown tired of the hunting and killing. They may have felt they accomplished enough of their goal. Had it not been such a jurisdictional mess, perhaps they all would have stayed and finished the job, but you've got Behan deputizing louts like Ringo and the rest and without any clear, legal right-of-way I think it's pretty reasonable that they all got disgusted with the whole mess and disbanded. The legal problems alone could easily have caused a normally law-abiding man like Earp to abandon his mission. By the way, they didn't get attacked by the "locals". They got attacked by a band of cutthroats, cowards who shot while hiding, shooting one in the back. If you want to call that "locals", be my guest. Don't mind me if I then call it blatant sophistry. Supertheman ( talk  ) 07:46, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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