Talk:EastEnders theme tune

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The Julia's theme tune was not used when Kat and Alfie left together so I am deleting that bit of wrong information. The only music you could hear was in the background, it was a Christmas tune.

To see a clip of when Kat and Alfie leave, go to this link. http://www.kalfie.com/videos/kalfiefinale.rm

Not Julia's Theme
Tonight Peggy's theme was used, not Julia's. 07/07/11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.204.59 (talk) 19:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC) But surely Peggy's Theme IS Julia's Theme, it's just a remix of the same piece of music. So what makes it any different from all the other Julia's Theme remixes used over the years? The music used for Peggy's departure went over the whole of the end credits, but the remix used on 07/07/11 just went into the regular music, like every other instance of Julia's Theme. Themileshuntclub (talk) 20:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Julia's theme
I've just added information about tonight's use of Julia's theme. The section seems a bit mixed up so I thought I'd ask what people think about rearranging the uses into reverse date order (excluding first use, last use and longest theme, which can be mentioned in a paragraph near the top), put into a list with dates. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's so nice when we discuss things. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't see this! -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 13:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's ok, just my humour. To be honest, I don't like the table :-( but it's better than it was. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

The theme broadcast at the end of the episode of Frank's funeral, is the same as the theme used at the end of Sonia & Martin's departure however neither are the same as the example given in the article for Julia's theme. So it seems something has gone wrong with this list at some point. Peteb16 (talk) 19:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "Julia's theme" is actually a really long piece of music. They use different parts of it for different endings. This was a longer version, that's all. Here's the full version on this video  Gung  adin  19:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah thanks! Also, listening to this this, it would seem they've re-edited it slightly sticking 1:26-1:43 and 2:00-2:06 together to create the theme heard in Frank's Funeral and previously during Sonia & Martin's exit. Is this a noteworthy point to make anywhere in the article? Peteb16 (talk) 20:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * do you mean that it leads into the regular theme? It always does that. It just replaces the drumbeats. Gung adin  20:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No the other youtube video I found has the entire original song. If you listen to the tune from 1 minute 26 seconds you'll see it matches until 1:43 where it leads off. At 2:00 you hear the bit that would normally lead into the normal theme (without drums). They've obviously re-edited these parts together.  Peteb16 (talk) 21:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

It says Ronnie got Julia's theme? I was pretty sure she got Peggy's theme?
 * We've discussed this. Do you have a source? Why would they take away from Peggy's exit by using her theme for another character? The theme was made for Peggy and nobody else. Giving it to Ronnie would be totally wrong. – Anemone Projectors – 11:37, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Ian Beale being declared bankrupt
We have this listed as a Julia theme moment, but if you listen to this, It wasnt Julia's theme being used. Gung adin  01:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Shane/Alfie stuff
It has been said by Shane Richie (who played Alfie Moon), that upon being given the latest scripts, EastEnders'' cast members always rush to the back to see who will be getting the dramatic ending. Jessie Wallace has said that Shane Richie always tried to steal the endings that she and others were given, if he featured in the same scene.''

This has been tagged as unsourced for a while, keeping it here until a source can be provided. Gung adin  18:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This part too..


 * It could be said that it is a victim of its own success, most viewers now pre-empt the ending, if something major is going to happen in an episode, such as the return of an old character, then it is very likely they will only feature in the last few seconds before the drums begin. Gung  adin  17:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Alternative endings
There are two episode which should be here: 11 Nov 2005 and 17 May 2001, both episodes did not use the theme tune for the closing credits, instead, a song was used. I cant remember which song though. 88.104.118.95 (talk) 19:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC) MM 20:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

We're missing one.
But only one! This page says there have been 43 episodes where the "doof doofs" weren't used. We have 37 for Julia's Theme and a further five alternate endings, making 42. What was that one? Also, we should say that the drums are referred to as "doof doofs" :) AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, well it is possible to now refer to the drums as "doof doofs" thanks to the recent EE revealed specials. But I hae absolutely no idea what the missing one could be - perhaps.... wasn't there an ep where the credits were played in silence? Ethel's death or Frank's? ✽ Familiae Watt§   (TALK)  04:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We could probably expand on the doof doofs too, cos it's not just a drum, it's a cliffhanger and it's a "doof doof face" and the cast all like to see who gets the doof doof before reading the rest of a script, etc. We can't speculate about the one we're missing, we just have to find it. But it's definitely not Ethel's death cos that's already listed. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

People keep adding episodes to the list of times Julia's Theme has been used, but we know there are no more than 39 episodes from the source that says there were 43 episodes without duff duffs (add two since then, 6 didn't end in Julia's theme, meaning there have been 39 Julia's themes). I'd like to see an actual list, because I know we were missing one, someone added one and I assumed it was correct, but with the amount of times people have incorrectly added stuff, I can't be sure. I don't think this source is reliable as it's probably copied from here, going by their wording. anemoneprojectors  talk  12:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Julia's Theme has been used a total of 41 times. 43 if you count the two jazz times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.250.91 (talk) 21:12, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Not according to the BBC. anemoneprojectors   talk  21:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I read somewhere on a forum that there were two instances used in 1993. Not sure what the other is.  GunGagdin Moan 22:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * We have the right number of Julia's Themes listed, going by the BBC site, but I don't know if they're all correct. anemoneprojectors   talk  22:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but there's two normal Julia's Themes missing from this list. And in 1993 there was another soft theme for the jazzy theme tune which was used twice in addition to the normal Julia's theme with Pat and Pauline on the swings so there's 41 normal and 43 if you count the other 2 1993 ones as Julia's theme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.250.91 (talk) 23:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry but we have to go by reliable sources, and the BBC said there were 43 episodes not featuring the drums at the time of the Greatest Cliffhangers documentaries. There have been two since, and six of those didn't use Julia's Theme, meaning that according to the BBC, Julia's Theme has been used 39 times. anemoneprojectors   talk  00:47, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

More reliable than having the episodes with Julia's theme on them? Anyway something is amiss as the drums were cut from some episodes such as the one where Michelle told Lou she was pregnant yet this is not covered here. But on the subject of Julia's theme there are two occasions missing, 4 if you're counting the two times in 1993 but that was a different tune though it was meant to be the jazzy version of Julia's theme.

I am not making this up. I have the episodes. The BBC site must be wrong. :) You were missing one from February 2001 that was recently added so I don't know why you can't accept that a further two occasions using Julia's theme is missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.98.197 (talk) 00:56, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The BBC dont always get things right on their website. The user seems to know his/her stuff. Do you have the episodes ip? Are you able to upload the endings to a video site?  GunGagdin Moan 00:58, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * But they watched every single ending for the documentary. I don't think they'd be wrong on this occaision. anemoneprojectors   talk  01:00, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to believe the ip. Hopefully we can get some visual evidence.  GunGagdin Moan 01:02, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd like some verification that the entire list is correct. anemoneprojectors   talk  01:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Well maybe the ip can shed some light on any errors. I only know the ones I have seen, and ages ago there used to be loads of Julia Theme endings on youtube, which dont appear to be there anymore.  GunGagdin Moan 01:07, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I wonder if the Xmas 1992 is a different scene than the one we listed. I am pretty sure I saw on that cliffhanger programme that there's a Julia's theme of an xmas meal scene at the Fowlers, and Mandy was there along with half the cast at the time.  GunGagdin Moan 01:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Xmas 1992 ends in the Fowler's living room you are right Gungadin. The missing ones are 4th June 1987 - Arthur Fowler came home from prison after thanking his family for standing by him he walked into the Fowler's kitchen and sat down as the Julia's theme played. The second missing one was from the 15th birthday episode the one where they were all trapped in the Vic for the bombscare. I can't remember the date but it was the special Sunday episode. The episode ends on a shot of the Queen Vic after Dan Sullivan sees everyone out and Peggy and Frank vow to stay in Walford and fight him. These are the missing two occasions when the normal Julia's Theme was used.

The 1993 one I'm talking about was one occasion in September on the Ferry with Sharon watching Phil and Kathy (Paris episodes) and another from October 1993 when Ian begs Cindy not to leave. This was a soft tune to accompany the jazzy 1993-1994 theme tune but I don't know if you would class it as Julia's Theme as it was different. It does however still replace the drums.

I hope this helps but I am not lying. I do have these episodes and can maybe upload clips to a filesharing website should this be necessary.


 * Is this the Jazzy one? No drums, but also no episode. Just a screenshot in the video, so not a lot of help. anemoneprojectors   talk  01:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes it's sort of the start of that. It's used at the end of two episodes from late 1993 one from September (think it's the 7th) and one from October 1993 with Cindy/Ian. But I don't know if you'd count it as Julia's theme. Those other two Julia's themes (Arthur, the 15th birthday ep from Feb 2000) are the normal Julia's themes 100% and apart from that your list is correct.


 * Thanks for this ip, it'll be great to get the list as accurate as possible with your help. I have seen the episode from France fairly recently and I do remember that gentle music at the end as pregnant Diane turns up to wave Frank off, and Sharon gets jeloaus about Phil and Kaff. There was some reason why I didnt include it in the Julia's theme ending here though, and perhaps I felt the same as you, that it isn't quite Julia's theme, but it is certainly not the typical duff duffs. Do you remember if they also have the drum beats in that episode too, after the soft music? Uploading the clips would be brilliant if you have the time.  GunGagdin Moan 12:23, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * If it's the same as the link I provided then I wouldn't consider that Julia's theme. Maybe it's the jazzy equivalent but it's definitely not Julia's theme. anemoneprojectors   talk  12:38, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * OK so just to clarify, we are missing
 * Arthur being released from prison (1987) (Julia's theme)
 * Frank and Peggy 15th anniversary episode (2000) (Julia's theme)
 * + 2 alternative endings (The ferry and Ian and Cindy from 1993)
 * Michelle telling Lou she is pregnant (1985) (no doof doofs)  GunGagdin Moan 12:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

No the ferry ep doesn't have the drums and nor does the Ian and Cindy episode from October 1993 that has the same soft music.

Well the doof doofs were dropped on a few occasions in the 80s. I can think of one episode that ends on Pauline in the Vic from the second half of 1987. Also one episode from January 1988 where Lofty is angry with Michelle for aborting his baby and seems to launch himself at her. I'm not sure if it's worth noting all of these but I think definitely the softer music from 1993 (the two occasions it was used) should be noted in some way.

I also noticed there was no mention of the final episode of the Slater's Brighton week from May 2001 having 'Sisters are doing it for themselves' over the credits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.127.194 (talk) 13:50, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Did they really have sisters are doing it for themselves!! lol. Well perhaps we can mention that during the 80s the drumbeats were dropped on a few occasions. Looks like the BBC have it wrong as usual. What shall we do AP?  GunGagdin Moan 23:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't recall Sisters Are Doing It For Themselves being used and to be honest I can't see them doing it either. I agree that the BBC must have got it wrong, though. If someone has the episodes on tape or something we can assume good faith, but I'd still like to have them verified somehow. anemoneprojectors   talk  23:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * It's been discussed on this forum Not that it proves it  GunGagdin Moan 00:40, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Doesn't say it replaced the theme tune... anemoneprojectors   talk  01:20, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you http://www.dailymotion.com/TVClips2010 I've uploaded the 1987 and 2000 Julia's Themes there. This 100% completes the Julia's theme list. You can also find the Slater episode on there which ended with Sisters are doing it for themselves. I haven't uploaded the two 1993 ones which end with a softer tune replacing the drum beats but can if you'd like me to. I feel these are notable but quite rightly shouldn't be classed as the normal Julia's Theme. I think GungGagdin has the right idea about the missing drumbeats on some 80s episodes. Instead of trying to list them all it would probably be more productive just to mention that on occasion they were dropped. I know of at least 3 occasions but there could be more I can't remember off the top of my head. I'm sorry the clips aren't the best quality I didn't want to be stuck uploading massive files and so encoded them at a lower bitrate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.127.194 (talk) 01:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for those. So if we add those two to the list, the Julia's theme list is 100% accurate? I actually remembered the Brighton ending once I'd seen it! How come you've got these episodes anyway? anemoneprojectors   talk  10:49, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah those are the only Julia's themes. I've seen every episode probably now to date and there's definitely no other Julia's Themes. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.127.194 (talk) 19:14, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * How do you know? Did you write them all down or something? And we don't have any that shouldn't be on the list? anemoneprojectors   talk  19:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * They're not hard to remember as they're so rarely used. :) But it's only been recently I watched an extensive run of episodes. I don't recall this one however - 28 21 June 2002 Anthony Trueman proposed to Zoe Slater. but can double check it if you like.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.127.194 (talk) 22:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't remember any of them other than the last few, but I only watch it on TV when it's on. There's no way I'd remember the specific 40-something episodes if I'd watched all 3972 episodes only when they were on TV unless I made a note of them at the time. But please do check that one. anemoneprojectors   talk  22:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this ip and for taking the time to upload the clips. Would you mind uploading one of the 1993 alternative ending, just so that we can try and describe it somehow.  GunGagdin Moan 17:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi AP I have a collection of episodes. So watch old ones frequently. I don't think I could remember a full list from 1985-2010 in order but looking over the wikipedia list I know the list is correct. It was only used a couple of times a year if at all. The Dr. Trueman/Zoe one is correct by the way and was a Julia's Theme.

Gungagdin I will see what I can do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.195.185 (talk) 18:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

You are also missing the ep which ended with a song in November 2005. The Nana Moon one. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.195.185 (talk) 17:03, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Found It!
In regards to the 1993 "Julia's Theme that's not really Julia's Theme", there were at least 3, not 2 instances where this was used. You have quite rightly discussed the ending with Ian begging Cindy to stay, and the episode with Sharon watching Kathy and Phil embrace on the ferry. There is a third instance this was used, with Debbie convincing Nigel to go to bed with her. I have added this to the table. Perhaps this helps account for your missing ending at the start of this discussion? 92.18.171.189 (talk) 13:39, 2 November 2013

Wellard
Didnt the episode when Wellard die end with an East 17 song? Can somone confirm that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.157.193 (talk) 20:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC) 90.192.157.193 (talk) 22:32, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * "Stay Another Day" played during his death but it didn't replace the theme tune. anemoneprojectors   talk  20:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Ian and Laura's wedding
Why was Ian and Laura's wedding removed from the Julia's Theme list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.2.219 (talk) 13:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think every instance of Julia's Theme from before a certain date (creation of this article?) should be sourced, because the BBC said there were a certain number of uses and we have listed a lot more than they said there were. Anemone  Projectors  17:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I think with recent memory good faith can be assumed. There's no better source than someone having viewed the episodes and you can generally assume good faith there if they were recent episodes as this was. It's ridiculous that's not allowed to count as a source. But the Ian and Laura one is on Youtube coincidentally here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs4t1tn83yI

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.2.219 (talk) 21:53, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Well people should still cite sources. And it wasn't that recent, it was nine years ago. But ok. It's fine to assume good faith but facts should still be backed up by sources. Anemone  Projectors  22:24, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Well unless someone uploads a video as actual proof then it's hard to prove Julia's Themes but many people still remember them. 9 years is not that long ago it's more recent than 1980s and 1990s episodes and is still generally considered the modern era of the show. Anyway as you can see there's a video of the Julia's Theme that was added on Youtube so maybe you should add it back to the list now? Or is that not a good enough source for you? Be nice if you could ask before removing stuff especially as it was not vandalism or disruptive to the article. Be nice if you could admit you were wrong for a change before wading in feet first with your size tens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.2.219 (talk) 00:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I did say "ok". It's up to the person who adds the material so provide sources, so I was fully entitled to revert you the person who added it. Anemone  Projectors  00:52, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * For your information I wasn't the one who added the info. I am just sick of valid info being removed in double quick time on the basis that you alone don't believe it. I appreciate there's no source but I think in the context of non-vandalism and something constructive then you could allow a little breathing space and raise it on the discussion page first prior to removing if no source is then provided? It's not the first time you've been wrong about something either you have even ADDED info to pages that has later turned out to be false (Ben Mitchell actor). It always seems to be what you believe or say goes and you weren't even one of the founding members of the EastEnders wikiproject. The likes of Gungadin should be having a much bigger say than you. I am not aware of what the Julia's Theme that was added said and am not going to root through the history. You removed it so you should do the work to add it back (now you have your source). Out of interest do you have a list of sources for the other 43/44 Julia's Themes if not why don't you just remove them as you're so fond of destroying people's work? and doubting them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.2.219 (talk) 12:04, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't know it wasn't you. What did I add to articles that was false? I am rather insulted by this allegation. The founding member of the WikiProject is inactive, but that's nothing to do with it, all members are equal. Nobody gets a bigger say than anyone else. And for YOUR information, I reverted myself yesterday, and not just the wedding episode, but two other instances. I will refrain from reverting additions to the list in future. Anemone  Projectors  12:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You added that Charlie Jones no longer plays Ben Mitchell despite him still being in upcoming episodes. Anyway I'm not going to argue and I wasn't suggesting you're any less important than the founding member of the Project but I do think you have assumed total control over the EastEnders articles which is unfair on other users. It's not just you though there's a few Wikipedians who like to think of themselves as an authority and take ownership over certain subjects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.2.219 (talk) 15:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Got to agree with the anon I'm afraid. Instances like these are the reason I left Wikipedia. The contradictions annoy me as well. People are meant to provide a source to prove something they've added in good faith, but when a source is provided to say that a character's name has changed, (Bianca Butcher, Tiffany Butcher, Stacey Branning etc.) you use another crackpot wiki guideline to get your own way and leave it as the old name. Inconsistent and incorrect in my opinion. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 15:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok I did make a mistake with Ben, but we knew the actor was going to be leaving, and it from watching the episode it was possible that it was his last. Nobody reverted me, so I could only assume my edit was correct. The "undo" button is there for a reason. It didn't need someone to have a go on the talk page, an edit summary containing the evidence that he was to appear in further episodes would have been fine. Characters' name is not for discussion on this talk page, but they do conform with Wikipedia policies, remembering that there is no "now" when it comes to fiction. Anemone  Projectors  17:23, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * There are so many Wikipedia policies that contradict each other that it's very much open to the interpretation of whichever admin edits the article the most (and therefore has a psuedo-ownership over it) to decide which of them are enforced to suit how they think the article should appear. I was saying earleir on Walford Web that I wish I could kidnap Gungadin from here and get her to help me on the Walford Wiki as I think she's fab and shouldn't be stifled by so many stupid rules. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 17:48, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Peggy's Theme
I'm thinking "Peggy's Theme" probably should have its own section now, because not only will it be included on an album but will also get its own EP release. In fact, if it charts, the EP could get its own article. Anemone Projectors  16:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

"Increasing in tempo"
Do the doofs really increase in tempo (as claimed by the article's intro)? Without listening to the theme tune, I'm guessing it's two dotted quavers, three quavers and four semi quavers (1.5 + 1.5 + 1 = 4). As there are obviously more notes towards the end of the bar, I can understand someone describing this as an increasing tempo – but I'm not sure there is a tempo change (I'll have to listen to it), and so I don't think it should be described as such. Any thoughts? matt (talk) 19:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, if I tap out a tempo the doofs don't really increase in tempo. they go like... d..d..d.d.d.dddd. Does that make any sense? I know nothing about that kind of thing. Anemone  Projectors  19:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, that makes sense :) – pretty much what I meant – there's more notes at the end, but that doesn't mean the overall tempo is increasing. matt (talk) 19:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If we could find a source that talks about the theme in terms of quavers or whatever, then that would be cool. Anemone  Projectors  20:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I've removed the tempo bit from the article as it was unsourced and (now) contested.  As another point, the audio sample doesn't include the drum intro and it really ought to – I can upload a replacement when I'm home from work.  matt (talk) 10:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Julia's Theme confusion
It needs to be documented somewhere that ever since the episode in which Charlie left, they've been using a shortened "Peggy's Theme", instead of the original and this is probably why everyone (including myself) have been trying to add tonights episode to the wrong list. Peteb16 (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. Only Peggy and Ronnie have used Peggy's theme. I'm a huge fan of EastEnders and I noticed any slight change. They used the Julia's theme on Charlie's exit too, and Jane's.  .. '''George Sorby •  Talk  •  Contribs ..   23:19, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, compare the music during Stacey's departure to that of Charlie's . The latter score has more in common with Peggy's deaprting scene . The latter two are also in a different key to the first.  Peteb16 (talk) 07:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I see what you mean. This was the Julia's Theme that was used occasionally before the the one was introduced on 5 March 2010. I think it's just an alternate theme :-)  .. '''George Sorby •  Talk  •  Contribs ..   07:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * do you have a source to say they're using a shortened Peggy's Theme? It's only refered to as Julia's. I don't think it's Peggy's. Ronnie's was just a long Julia's theme, wasn't it? – Anemone Projectors – 11:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No Ronnie definitely had Peggy's theme. I'm 100% positive.  .. '''George Sorby •  Talk  •  Contribs ..   14:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's original research though. Peggy's Theme was only made for Peggy's exit. – Anemone Projectors – 15:10, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Given that Peggy's Theme basically IS Julia's Theme, (it's just a different remix or the same tune), how it any different from the other times they've remixed Julia's Theme for the end credits? Peggy's departure should be kept separate, I suppose, as it replaced the whole theme tune, but it's confusing not to have Ronnie's ending on 7 July 2011 counted as a Julia's Theme, in my opinion. It went into the normal music, so it's not the same as Peggy's departure. Themileshuntclub (talk) 18:59, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The only way you can say it is anything other than Julia's theme is the moment you find a source backing yourself up. Rain the One  BAM 19:27, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Look they would have called it 'Peggy and Ronnie Theme' if it was for both of them. Ronnie had a Julia's theme, they probably just have updated it to something different, they've probably done it in the past, just nobody has noticed it. Mayhem  Mario  15:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Looking at some search results, look at the descriptions further down, other people have noticed it's peggy's theme. .. '''George Sorby • Talk  •  Contribs .. 16:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree, but Bryan Kirkwood would have said, 'Because fans no Ronnie so well, we've decided to give her a Peggy's theme.' Or something to them words. Unless a newspaper actually CONFIRMS it I think we should leave it. Mayhem  Mario  16:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And that's still original research... – Anemone Projectors – 09:49, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

People are honestly having trouble telling Julia's and Peggy's theme apart? Listen to both themes. Notice how Peggy's theme is slower and softer. That version has definately been used at least three times for other characters than Peggy (Ronnie in prison, at the end of Live Week and, most recently, when Nancy and Tamwar left). The difference is incredibly noticeable, to me at least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.164.109 (talk) 19:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Peggy's theme is a version of Julia's theme, so all uses of Peggy's theme can still be listed in the Julia's theme list rather than "alternative endings", I would say with the exception of last night as it was the full theme - though it didn't sound like the one I remember from her original exit. I'd still prefer to see instances of Peggy's theme referenced to reliable sources because it's still original research. anemone  projectors  07:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Simmons
I heard a long time ago (not sure where or who from) that the drums in the EastEnders theme tune (or at least the toms at the beginning) are from one of their kits. Is this true? --217.39.35.230 (talk) 21:40, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I can only imagine that Simon May is the only person who knows the answer to that! :-) – Anemone Projectors – 15:02, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes http://www.wgazette.com/wordpress/2015/07/exclusive-interview-with-simon-may-composer-of-the-eastenders-theme/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.153.188 (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Performers
Why are no performers credited? Do the BBC always use their own musicians for TV themes? Are they always part of e.g. BBC Symphony Orchestra, or whatever? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably because we don't have, or have not found, any reliable sources to say who performed it. – Anemone Projectors – 12:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, as I suspected. I was really just looking to fill the gap here. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh right. There must be something out there, but I'm quite sure that May himself did the piano bits, and maybe even the initial drum beats, but I'm not a reliable source :-) – Anemone Projectors – 13:19, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe he did all of it! But then even he wouldn't be a WP:RS, would he? (And how ever did he get onto the roof of Buckingham Palace with his guitar that time.. ) Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

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