Talk:East Asians in the United Kingdom

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Why is this article titled "East Asians in the United Kingdom", when it is about both East and -Southeast Asians- in the UK?(User talk:Desigirl233) 11:36, 4 June 2008

Requested move 27 February 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

East Asians in the United Kingdom → East and Southeast Asians in the United Kingdom – The title describes the article; the article includes Chinese, Filipino, Vietnamese, et cetera. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 09:36, 30 March 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 11:42, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Some uses of "East Asian" includes Southeast Asian. British English appears to do this, according to the article. (As "Asian" means "South Asian" in British English... also not in concordance with the continental area) Though Orientals in the United Kingdom might be a better match to the subject. (the census term "Chinese or other" is rather poor for use in an article title. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 03:01, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * support either as proposed, or as Orientals in the United Kingdom -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 03:01, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think most people in the UK would understand the current title to include all parts of Asia to the east and south east of India and Bangladesh, so the proposed title is unnecessary and unwieldy. I also oppose "Orientals" because it's dated, not in common use these days, and (for what it's worth) also possibly somewhat offensive. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:53, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - The proposed new title is a bit unwieldy, but it's probably the best non-judgmental descriptive title for the content of this article. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:15, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, just to note that I oppose any move to a title including "Oriental", which is old-fashioned and seen as offensive by many. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * support - Its slightly better than East Asians in the United Kingdom. But please don't use Orientals. I realise people still say it in the UK but much less than they used to. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 10:04, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose – I oppose this request for a simple reason, and that's because the proposed title is simply not used in Britain. Britain has its quirks in terminology, whereby the unqualified term "Asian" refers to the people of the Indian subcontinent. "East Asian", more traditionally referred to as "Oriental", is used to refer various groups including the aforementioned Vietnamese, &c. This may seem bizarre from a geographical standpoint, but so is using "Asian" to refer exclusively to the people of the Indian subcontinent. "East" is taken to mean "East" of "Asia", whereby "Asia" refers to the subcontinent. We must use the title that is most natural to the reader, and which is most common in usage. That's the present title. We cannot change the terminology that people use to suit our own ends. Given that this article describes a group of people that live in Britain, we should use the terminology that Britons use, per WP:TITLEVAR and WP:ENGVAR. This seems to be an attempt to Americanise the title, and I can't support that. RGloucester  — ☎ 18:10, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


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The term Oriental is not considered offensive outside the USA
I just want to make this statement. I don't really have sources, but I've used the term Oriental several times in a non-offensive way, and had it accepted by all East Asians residing in the UK.

I think the idea that some East Asians find the term "Oriental" should be removed as it isn't commonplace in British culture. I only ever restrict usage of "Oriental" when I'm talking to an American or an Americanised country (Canada, South America). In the Europe, Middle East, South Asia, and East Asia, I think the term Oriental isn't considered offensive.

TimothyBaker2 (talk) 07:56, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I have certainly heard this term used myself in the UK, but it's certainly seen as offensive by some. Personally, I've never used it and have always assumed that it's as offensive in the UK as it is in the US, although searching online suggests that there is more agreement on it being offensive in the US. This article by Peter Aspinall states that "'Oriental', too, is not a self-description used by peoples from East Asia, scarcely ever occurring as a label of choice when self-ascribed, open-response ethnic group data are collected. It is also regarded as offensive when used by an observer to describe someone with origins in this area". He does also note that it is still used, however. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:52, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

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