Talk:East Coast bias

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this article needed some changes. i took out the last sentence which said that most discussion of east coast bias does not consider the interior of the country, because most people who complain about the "east coast bias" are the people from the middle of the country who feel that there teams don't get enough attention. i replaced USC with Notre Dame because Notre Dame is a mmidwestern school that always gets alot of publicity out of proportion with their success(including their own tv network nbc). this is a much more timeless and relevant example than USC which is covered alot this year because they are going for a third straight championship which has never been done before in the history of college football(so of course they will get alot of coverage). the yankees/red sox and duke basketball are the two obvious examples which i put in the article. there are alot more things that could be added, i think that espn should be talked about because i think that is the big target for "east coast bias" complaints, but i don't want to change too much. hopefully i helped a little. 66.28.14.123 17:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I dispute the neutrality, and factuality of this article
This article is written from the viewpoint that the East Coast Bias does not exist. This prejudice is clearly indicated with the wording "One of the hypothesis's biggest shortcomings…". The scant evidence is supplied unevenly and with clear tones of opinion.

Furthermore, the term, East Coast Bias, is applied not just to teams located on the eastern seaboard, but refers in a broader sense to bias favoring teams east of the Mississippi River. Notre Dame falls well that category. I submit this as an example that the purported factual information is incorrect.

Note that with an inferior record, Notre Dame made a BCS bowl, while Oregon (who only lost to USC) did not. The Seattle Seahawks with an 11-2 record - the best record in the NFC - get almost no media time outside the pacific northwest, while the east coast teams they beat get a great deal more attention nationwide.

For additional examples I would refer you to http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/eastcoastyes.html

Whether or not the East Coast Bias exists, this article should be written from a neutral standpoint, neither supporting or opposing the subject matter. Supporting and opposing viewpoints should be cited in depth, but never voiced from the author's standpoint.

The author refers to East Coast Bias first as a theory, and later as a hypothesis. These words are not interchangable. DrAvery 19:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree this article could be made alot better, you are welcome to do whatever you want with it. one thing you said i take issue with: the east coast bias definitely does not include the midwest.  people from states like illinois and indiana complain about it all the time(trust me i know).  notre dame definitely belons in this article as the classic non-east coast team to get a disproportionate amount of publicity. RonMexico 20:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * East Coast Bias first as a theory, and later as a hypothesis. These words are not interchangable.
 * At least in the English language, of course they are. They can be used separately when discussing science, which this isn't. Here, they're synonyms.


 * The current article errs in considering this both a true situation (when more circumspection is appropriate) and following similar nonsense to the above, No True Scotsmanning the definition of "east" until it includes the Midwest.


 * Still further, this isn't even the for this namespace. "East Coast bias" should discuss the bias in American media towards all news and events from the East Coast media markets, not just the current unimportant whinging by some fans about wishing smaller market sportsball teams got better coverage and representation. —  Llywelyn II   05:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

This Seems Like The Beginning Of A Good Article, However...
the original entry was focused on sports rather than media in general. I expanded it to include the media in general.

This needs to be cleaned up, but otherwise, there is good potential in this article. ColdRedRain 5:05, March 12 2007 (US Central Daylight Time)
 * This needs to be restored. The sportsball whining isn't the for this namespace. —  Llywelyn II   05:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * That was presumably removed as WP:OR.—Bagumba (talk) 08:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Couldn't find evidence of East Coast TV Bias
If it's found then someone should add it to the article, but what I found is along with New York City, Los Angeles is the top city for TV shows to be set in. This obviously goes against the East Coast bias theory. BTerran 20:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

This article
Note, this article has been deleted before. The reason given was that it was an original research essay. You can see the internet time machine for previous revisions of the article. It may not stand up to a request for deletion again. Group29 (talk) 17:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've restored the article and talk page history (along with the talk page text)and removed the unattributed version of the article on this talk page. Here's the last version of the article before the deletion. Graham 87 03:17, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Non-sports east coast bias
Maybe we should have a age devoted to non-sports East Coast bias. Such as how only 1 supreme court judge is from the west, and he is from the rockies. Or how the news media acts like Ohio is the frickin' geographical center of the country. Or how less than 10% of our presidents are from the west, all from California (15% since Cali was admitted to the union). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.184.209 (talk) 23:03, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This is that namespace. Other editors just need to revert changes that focus it solely on sport. — Llywelyn II   05:25, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Question about the article
I was just trying to clarify which East Coast was referred to in the article? I thought that it referred to the East Coast of the United States because of the capitalisation in "East Coast" but I noticed that the lead also mentioned Canada and got a little confused. Could someone please clarify this? Thanks, The Giant Purple Platypus (talk) 09:23, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Canada was included since a source described EC bias in the NHL with Canadian teams. —Bagumba (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It refers to both countries! Thanks for clearing that up :)The Giant Purple Platypus (talk) 09:43, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you think anything need rewording for clarity, or you just thought it was a mistake? —Bagumba (talk) 10:23, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It might be a good idea to reword the article so that people outside the US/Canada can understand the content of the article more clearly. I was planning to reword it a little (people who are not American or Canadian refer to different places when they speak of an "East Coast") and got confused as to which East Coast was being referenced in the article. The Giant Purple Platypus (talk) 10:37, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Tried this.—Bagumba (talk) 23:35, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * There's not an East Coast bias in Canada; there's a Toronto bias (in English) and an even more blatant Montréal bias (en français), both Eastern Time zone. Toronto and Montréal are *not* the Canadian east coast, that's St. John's or Acadia or somewhere that's actually a time zone or two ahead of EST/EDT. The running joke in Canada is that "the world will end at midnight, 12:30 in Newfoundland" on the English-language CBC. Toronto is not on the East Coast, it's on the Great Lakes. K7L (talk) 11:16, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This source from John Buccigross referenced Toronto and ECB in NHL with Toronto vs Vancouver. I'm not Canadian, so have no real-life experience to back up whether ECB is a common debate topic in Canadian.  If there are no objections from others, the Canadian aspect can be removed.—Bagumba (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it doesn't actually need much clarification.


 * The default meaning of "East Coast" among native English speakers (majority American) is the East Coast of the United States and that meaning is abundantly clear within the article.


 * The mistaken focus on sport broadcasting is mistaken, but the default meaning of 'East Coast' as American (which means the USA) doesn't require needless couching or explanation. — Llywelyn II   05:28, 1 May 2023 (UTC)