Talk:East Coast hip hop

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 * there should probably be something in here about the technical differences between East/West Coast rap. like beats, lyrics, flow, etc. etc. Trey-Z 00:01, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

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instrumental
in my humble opinion, the word "instrumental" should be substituted with something else. I just think it looks a bit funny when it is used in an article about music. Gwissi 22:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

List
A list of well known East Coast rappers should be added. (same with the west coast) --Plankton5005 06:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

k, just none of you forget 2pac is a west coast rapper. it seems every time i go to the east coast they want to claim him. he repped the west coast his whole career.

Golden Age and Old School
There needs to be more of a general understanding of where one began and the other ended. It was to my knowledge that the Golden Age began in 1988. Most people say this. And this article could easily be disputed for the simple fact that it does not cite its references; thus, it's authenticity can be challenged. If no one debates this within two days then I will take it upon myself to change it.--Mphifer254 15:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

i think it needs to talk about where east coast hip hop is past 1990's —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.7.96 (talk) 21:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Just so you know...
There's a boatload of POV in the "Today" section of the article, if anyone's up for fixing it.

-- Mik 23:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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Why was this article trimmed down?
I think that a section covering the 2000's would also help. Big L, Cam'ron, Masta Ace... the tradition continued. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cashtastrophy (talk • contribs) 08:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Other Artists
This article mainly emphasizes Nas as a part of the East coast revival. What about the Wu-Tang Clan? The Notorious B.I.G? Mobb Deep? The list goes on.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.222.131.37 (talk) 04:49, 11 February 2010 (UTC) There used to be a lot of good info on here. What was the reasoning for getting rid of it all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.170.174 (talk) 01:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Most of it was unreferenced. Dan56 (talk) 01:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So put "Citation needed." You don't have to delete good information.  It doesn't take a genius to realize Nas wasn't the only rapper significant in the revitalization of East Coast.--Kickflipthecat (talk) 01:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

The article says Biggie's commercial success paved the way for Wu-tang, that's just flat out wrong. Enter the 36 Chambers was released a year before Biggie came out with anything.


 * It's cited with a reliable source. I suppose the sources/writers did not consider Enter the Wu-Tang a commercial success; it was a relatively low commercial success upon its release, by the standards of subsequent Wu-Tang albums (Wu-Tang_Clan_discography) and the group members' first round of solo albums. Dan56 (talk) 22:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

It's sourced by a review from All Music, great source. That statement is ridiculous as is most of this review. I don't understand why so much of this article was butchered and replaced by a biggie jerk off fest. Enter the Wu-Tang reached number 8 on the billboard, I'd say that's pretty damn successful for an unknown group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.138.37.215 (talk) 00:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Number 41 on the Pop charts (Enter_the_Wu-Tang_(36_Chambers)); R&B top-10 albums are not commercial breakthroughs. Better source than no source. Dan56 (talk) 00:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hip Hop outside of New York
Although NYC was the epicenter of the movement their are quite a few historically significant artists that should be represented in this article. Schoolly D is one of the founders of gangster rap and gets no mention. Likewise Gang Starr definitely deserves a mention as well. Philly, Boston, and to a lesser extent Baltimore have had their fair share of important artists to east coast hip hop yet those scenes are entirely ignored here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.108.197.82 (talk) 01:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

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 * Wikipedia requires wp:verifiablity. Your knowledge, even though extensive, would be considered wp:original research and as such, should not be used as a source on Wikipedia. Please see wp:reliable sources as to what is acceptable on Wikipedia. Jim1138 (talk) 02:13, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Complete Rewrite
Hello, I am a very novice editor on here, and I came across this article by almost pure chance. That said, there is a lot of unsourced, biased, information and original research. I was going to remove some of it, but I found that doing so would leave just a list of East Coast hip hop artists, which I am sure is not the purpose of this article. I hope someone with more knowledge on the subject will be able to rewrite it, as I'm not going to touch something I admittedly know very little about, nor will I be the one to make this a bare list of artists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gog-Clocthoth (talk • contribs) 07:50, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2017
"...and assembled by Afrika Bambaataa." should be changed to "...and assembled by Afrika Baby Bam." 38.140.54.162 (talk) 19:11, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 19:18, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Rochester, NY
I added Rochester, NY as it is part of the New York scene... an example artist is 38 Spesh.

JT Money??
I know that JT is listed as a Southern rapper, but on one of his tracks on Pimping on Wax, he said "East Coast nigga if ya wit me let me hear ya say East Coast". Can he be also added 2601:C8:201:1F00:4F1:76F3:285:3AF3 (talk) 16:51, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Virginia
Putting Virginia as part of the East Coast rap scene is very controversial. We are not part of the Northeast. I’m from Virginia and I know a lot of history about the music in my state. Yes, we may have a different sound however, we classify ourselves as the “Top of the South”. In none of our music do we talk about anything about the East Coast.

Examples:

Timbaland & Magoo: Baby Bubba Timbaland & Magoo: Shenanigans Missy Elliott: Pump It Up

These are just to name a few. None of these songs mention anything anything about the East Coast. 2600:1700:424D:3000:7CCA:D247:66F6:DA21 (talk) 08:29, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Sources are divided; Virginia has its own sound. Virginia does not have the same Southern hip hop sound as Atlanta, etc. For instance, one of Virginia's most famous rap songs, "Grindin'", is not like anything else. NPR says "In no state is the debate around "Southerness" more prevalent than it is within Virginia. It's an impossible argument to win on either side of the aisle because "Southerness" isn't painted with a definitive, clear cut brush. And, to be honest, Virginia rap, in particular rap from Richmond and below, doesn't replicate the same texture, drawls or even outright geographical alignment as other Southern rap metropolises like Atlanta, Memphis, New Orleans, Houston or Miami." The question doesn't have a strong answer either way. Binksternet (talk) 15:30, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Cultural origins, birthdate of hip hop
It was has been widely regarded by many sources such as NPR, the History Channel, PBS, Rolling Stone, Complex Magazine, etc that August 11, 1973 is the birthdate of hip hop. On that day, DJ Kool Herc was breaking with the turntables and rapper Coke La Rock was rapping over the instrumental giving shout outs. For regular articles of genre cultural origins, a general timeframe of when a genre started for example such as early 1990s, late 1980s is given when there is no exact date mentioned of when a genre started and there isn't a consensus on it. But in this case, there is a consensus that August 11, 1973 is the birthdate of hip hop and it should be changed to that date. There are many sources such as articles and videos that talk about August 11, 1973 being the birthdate.

Sources: https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/investigation/birthplace-of-hip-hop/#:~:text=The%20story%20goes%20that%20on,ing%20(rapping)%20during%20the%20extended

https://www.complex.com/music/a/khal/how-august-11-became-hip-hop-birthday

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/kool-herc-hip-hop-50-august-11-1973-1234802035/amp/

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/05/1192374015/50-years-of-hip-hop-a-genre-born-from-a-backyard-party#:~:text=Hip%2Dhop%20has%20a%20big,evolved%20and%20it%20has%20exploded.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/hip-hop-is-born-at-a-birthday-party-in-the-bronx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfIzemMk4yc&t=55s&pp=ygUkYWJjIGV5ZXdpdG5lc3MgbmV3cyBiaXJ0aCBvZiBoaXAgaG9w Spinz131 (talk) 07:22, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

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