Talk:East Lansing, Michigan

Elephant Incident
I don't see why the elephant incident is in this article. It happened in Lansing, not East Lansing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.126.30 (talk) 15:11, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree. It is only related to East Lansing in that ELHS students were present. In the various references it appears that the incident was isolated to Lansing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherdt (talk • contribs) 01:30, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Town/Gown Relations
The person who edited this section last has placed unnecessary quotation marks around a large number of words. Further, there seems to be a heavy bias towards events occurring in the late seventies through the eighties, written in a style not befitting Wikipedia. Is this really the place to mention "legendary" parties or "kegs or trash cans in every room"? The section begins with "After the student take-over" and ends with "It remains as such to this day." (Preceding comment unsigned.)


 * I attempted to rewrite it, and deleted a lot of the unencyclopedic stuff. It still needs a lot of work. Town/gown here is perhaps a misnomer and maybe should be dropped, but I couldn't think of a better title.  In any case, the student/homeowner political battles have yet to be covered, or even mentioned, and are more apropos to any discussion of "town/gown relations". Kestenbaum 16:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I would personally like to see the first four paragraphs of this section completely deleted. I don't think it is possible to find any worthwhile encyclopedic information in them. Talking about dragging kegs through town makes the whole article look bad and is hearsay. The last two paragraphs of the section are still necessary because they regard useful information. Damnitkevin 05:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Lingo
Is this lingo actually used outside the student population? If not perhaps it should be not on this page. Rmhermen 21:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * When I lived in East Lansing, about 75% of the adults in the city were MSU students (it's probably only a little less today). Students vote in local elections and take part in city governance.  So the views, and in this case the terms, used by MSU students are surely relevant here. Kestenbaum 15:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Almost all of the lingo is specific to the campus, the exceptions are an ugly parking garage and a mexican restaurant.  These aren't exactly encyclopedic.  You should see if these things are desired among the editors of the MSU article, but they really don't belong here (although I wouldn't object to some being moved to landmarks/points of interest).  I've spent some time on this campus, I recognize nearly all of these places when I read the definitions, but I've never heard any of this "lingo." -MrFizyx 03:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I can see your point. However, the parking structure is a notable piece of architectural bizarreness, and the Habitrail/Hamster Cage terminology is very widespread in the community.  That item ought to be moved to "points of interest". Kestenbaum 03:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I can live with that, the neighboring garage is taller and offers a better view, but is admitedly less wierd. When one googles the "Rape Trail", for example one gets many copies of the wiki, and then a "S'News" article that applies the name to an entirely different location.  It just seems that a lot of these don't meet criteria in WP:V. -MrFizyx 03:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Lingo : "The Nazis"
To what extent is the usage of this "nickname" for the East Lansing police documented in verifiable sources as one common to the student community in East Lansing? Without any authority for the commonality of the usage it sounds like an expression of opinion.


 * Strongly agreed, and I deleted it already. Kestenbaum 20:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Reorganization and some rewrite
I just now moved most of the items in the Lingo section to more substantive categories; they may require reformatting. I also modified a number of them. Brief summary:

Points of interest
 * Divided "points of interest" into reasonable sections, including a non-East Lansing section which should probably be dropped
 * Added mention of the replacement of the Sparty statue
 * Dropped the POV complaint about the architectural fees on the Habitrail (built almost 20 years ago, time to give it a rest), and replaced that with the substantive background for the bizarre design
 * Included the origin of the Class of '73 rock
 * Dropped the hoaxish "Red Cedar Yacht Club"
 * Wikified Fred Miller's name and corrected his title

Notable people
 * Restored alphabetical order
 * Dropped Debbie Stabenow from the list of notable people (hasn't she always lived in Lansing?)
 * Clarified Malcolm X's connection to East Lansing
 * Added NBA player Ben Poquette

How about adding actress Lela Ivey to notable people? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyharrison (talk • contribs) 04:54, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Lingo
 * Changed the description of the "student ghetto" to encompass all of it, rather than the very limited section specified.
 * Considered rewriting "Triangle" to correct the geography, but ended up deleting it. The actual Triangle was a small park (barely larger than a median strip) bounded by Ann, Albert and MAC Avenues, surrounded by businesses, with its triangularity stressed by a knee-high stone wall around it; about 20 years ago, the park was ripped out and bricked over as short term parking, and the original triangular configuration is theoretical at best.  Nowadays there are other more obvious triangular street configurations in East Lansing.
 * Deleted a whole bunch of non-notable or silly or or inconsistent or too obvious items: "to Baker it", "Frat Rows", "Mating Call", "Rape Trail". "Tundra", "Uptown/Downtown"

Local events
 * Moved some items here which didn't seem to belong under "points of interest"

Okay, that's enough for now. Kestenbaum 21:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The changes look good. I still feel the lingo would be better placed into an MSU article though since it is very much centered on student life (or drop it entirely).  I'm very happy with your improvements though. -MrFizyx 18:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Good job sorting out the Lingo section. I like the whole "Points of Interest" much better. I vote that we delete what's left of the Lingo section, and convert the Point of Interest sections to prose. Lovelac7 22:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Church on MAC
The section on the city Centennial says "The People's Church on MAC Avenue is also celebrating its 50th birthday in 2007"... this seems inaccurate. Peoples Church is on Grand River Avenue and was founded in 1907, the same year as the city. Can someone please correct/clarify? Kevin Forsyth 16:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Points of Interest
The two sections about "Notable restaurants and bars" and "Notable businesses" sound like advertisements and should be deleted. Also, the nicknames given to these establishments create an awkward tone. Damnitkevin 05:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Maybe a much briefer entry on El Azteco (a "destination" restaurant) should be retained; all the rest is surplus. Kestenbaum 15:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed the section, but left a little bit about El Azteco. Damnitkevin 04:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Date Settled
I removed the line in the infobox stating "Settled: 1857", which is belied by the text of the History section. Although this is the date that the first classes were held at the college, D. Robert Burcham built a log cabin in 1851 on what later became the campus, and two houses still standing within the (current, but not original) city limits were both built in 1849. Moreover, the name "East Lansing" didn't come into being until the city was incorporated. Kevin Forsyth 03:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

=== Someone has put in an even earlier settlement claim, with a date of 1847, whose citation (a native American site) doesn't seem to have any supporting evidence for such a claim. Perhaps just removing this will let someone else fill it in again with a more correct date, backed by a relevant source. I doubt that East Lansing as such pre-dates the land grant that formed MSU. Merely having a crossroads doesn't mean a location is "settled" or founded when the road was built. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.181.195.29 (talk) 12:30, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

East Village Project POV
I don't know what real estate developer came in to write the following about the East Village Project, but it reeks of POV and needs to be rewritten: "Mixed uses will include residential, retail, entertainment, parking, a riverfront park, a hotel and conference center and more. These new projects will welcome students, young professionals, families and empty nesters to East Lansing, diversifying the population and creating better quality of life for all stakeholders in the community." I don't know who was responsible for spewing that editorialized commentary about the "quality of life" being improved by a massive urbanization project wedged between a quiet college campus and a nature preserve, but at the very LEAST it should be noted that there has been opposition to the project by city residents, students, faculty, environmentalists, members of fraternities and social organizations who currently inhabit the area, as well as opposition on financial grounds to a project of that magnitude. Take the flag-waving, rah-rah elsewhere and give us the facts. 76.20.132.125 (talk) 18:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)Susan Brathwaite

I concur, and can tell you — at least in general — who is responsible. Two substantial edits to the "Town/gown relations" section were made by an anonymous contributor (216.157.195.66) coming from the the same subnet as www.cityofeastlansing.com. The two internal links are both to the city's website, and so do not constitute reliable sources, unlike the references that they removed. In other words, this is all uncited POV — and, more to the point, intentionally biased spin by City Hall — and I will revert it as such. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 19:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

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