Talk:East Midlands Railway

Color check requested
I created Template:East Midlands Railway colour as it was a wanted template with 39 inbound links.

I cribbed from the color template of the defunct operator it replaced, Template:East Midlands Trains colour, and from the page East Midlands Railway. Please make any necessary corrections. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  21:09, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Please do NOT add once-daily Melton Mowbray services to the table
The table is for regular off-peak services only, in common with other TOC articles. Furthermore, there are plenty of other once-daily routes that EMR also runs, and yet none of them get a mention in the table either (e.g. that one Liverpool train that runs via Oakham, the one Skegness train that avoids Grantham, or the InterCity extensions to Leeds, York and Scarborough). Consistency please, it’s really not that hard. Thank you. 92.14.199.35 (talk) 16:07, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Article Reliability
History section - This section is good and has a good few citations to support the main points.

Services section - This section is unreliable for several reasons. This section only contains 1 suitable citation. Citation 7 is not reliable because it even says when reading it that it can not be relied upon. Citation 8 is not reliable as it no longer works. There is much debate about the services that are listed in the table. This table should not just be for off peak services but instead should be for all services ran by EMR.

Rolling Stock section - This section is hard to keep reliable and correctly citied as the fleet is currently in the middle of replacement. This section should be checked once in a while to make corrections to citations and information as necessary.

Depots Section - This section is completely unreliable as there are no citations at all. This section has also practically been copyed word for word from East Midlands Trains apart from a few station names which have been changed. Although I wouldn't expect much to have changed with regards to depots it would be nice to know that this section could actually be verified as being reliable with the addition of some citations.

E.Wright1852 (talk) 20:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The article seems to be very reliable in most regards, but I noticed errors with the map in the article, the one with orange lines shows the Worksop train going via Ilkeston instead of Bulwell, and it hasn't included the recently added Barton Line yet. Should I edit this map of remove it?

Many thanks Jojo the Dodo (talk) 20:57, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Franchise termination
The franchise end date at this point is unknown. The ERMA will run until 31 March 2022 by which time Abellio and the DfT will have negotiated a further extension or it will pass to the Operator of last resort. Until such time as the outcome of this is known, (i.e. the above negotiation) the end date should be left as open ended. Customreed (talk) 04:40, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If a suitable source can be provided to back up your claim then please provide one. Otherwise the date should not be left as open ended. E.Wright1852 (talk) 06:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

How many mark 3 coaches did EMR receive from East Midlands Trains?
I have found a source today that suggests only 94 Mark 3 coaches transferred from EMT to EMR. Considering this is the only solid source I have found as to how many EMT Mark 3 coaches there were I would say that the original figure of 136 was wrong. If anyone can find another source to prove 94 coaches wrong then please update the number, but until/ if another source is found then the new figure of 94 should not be changed as this is the only solid figure there appears to be of the number of coaches. Thank you! E.Wright1852 (talk) 18:03, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

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Adding a notes/fate column to "Past Fleet"
Should a "notes" or "fate" section be added to "past fleet" table? This would bring it in line with other pages like GWR, TfW and GTR for example. There used to be a one but it was removed for some reason. However it could easily be put back with a copy/paste and edited slightly if necessary. Pulsarnix (talk) 22:25, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I would lean towards saying no, as while the information is generally notable when covering the history of each fleet it's much closer to trivia when covering the TOC as a whole. It should probably be removed from other TOC articles too. XAM2175  (T) 11:51, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for raising this. I also lean towards saying no. The fate column in most articles is a magnet for original research and endless unsourced wikifiddling. If anything we should look at articles that include it and consider whether the column actually adds any value. Maybe one to take to the wikiproject for wider discussion? 10mmsocket (talk) 15:17, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree with and . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattdaviesfsic (talk • contribs) 15:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

What if we meet in the middle then and have one for units that are still in service for example EMR's 156s are going to Northern and TfW's 170 came to EMR Pulsarnix (talk) 20:22, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Like says, it is columns - in any format, such as you you describe it - that become magnet[s] for original research and endless unsourced wikifiddling. I applaud the work of him,  and, among others, who tirelessly work to remove such poorly- or un- sourced content. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 20:52, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

We'll leave it then at least for now, although I will point out that every part of the previous "fate" column was cited. Thanks for everybody's input. Pulsarnix (talk) 22:11, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Luton Airport Express
Not sure whether this should be added as a subsection of this page, or whether it should be a new page. The website is now live: https://www.lutonairportexpress.co.uk/ Caledonianl (talk) 14:17, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Good suggestion, thank you. Done after a fashion, feel free to expand. 10mmsocket (talk) 18:30, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've set Luton Airport Express up as a redirect. Some day, if you get enough material and references, it could be a standalone article. Cnbrb (talk) 22:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@JalenhoffI’d be curious as to why you have unhelpfully reverted multiple and sourced edits to reflect the new Luton Airport Express branding being implemented on the current Connect service? This has removed a helpful edit. Sootysuerickie (talk) 15:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * It would look to me like the EMR Connect service has become the Luton Airport Express, as evidenced by the current timetable 10mmsocket (talk) 15:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This is exactly what I was waiting for: a timetable that reflects the change. Will restore now. Jalen Folf   (talk)  19:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, that is not my username. Thank you for trying to ping me, though. Jalen Folf   (talk)  20:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey @Sootysucker please don't upset @Jailed Wolf. Thanks both for the prompt and getting this sorted. Onwards and upwards.... 10mmsocket (talk) 21:53, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hiya, apologies for getting your name wrong. Would you mind restoring the edits to the rail start for Corby, Wellingborough, Bedford, Luton Apt Pky, Luton and St Pancras station please? Sootysuerickie (talk) 15:28, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The pages are unprotected and therefore I must invoke WP:DIY here. Anyone can reverse these changes themselves; I have other commitments and cannot make every change for others. Jalen Folf   (talk)  21:55, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

"I use EMR" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I_use_EMR&redirect=no I use EMR] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Dank Jae  21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

EMR Connect Vs Luton Airport Express
As this has been a contested topic for a while. EMR Connect is the name of the ENTIRE route and service from London St Pancras to Corby. Luton Airport Express is only a sub-brand for this service advertising the non stopping nature of it between London and Luton Airport Parkway. The brands overlap between STP and LTN, but no further! 

Keuneke (talk) 22:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Like before, I am invoking WP:DIY; if you believe that paragraph I just removed is important, reimplement it! The related discussion to this is here: § Luton Airport Express. Jalen Folf   (Bark[s])  22:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

EMR Connect
Following on from a previous AfD for EMR Regional that resulted in a consensus to merge into this article, propose that similar article EMR Connect also be merged. Weshmakui (talk) 02:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I did raise it at the closing days of the AfD as it was just an accepted AfC then. It could have some justification separate concerning "Luton Airport Express", although the article in its current state is mergeable, while consistently having all the sub-brands here would be nice.  Dank Jae  01:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe if the Luton Express has a history/notability of its own to the point if it would warrant a separate article, it should be done at EMR Connect instead (if kept) because it runs as two different services (see the above discussion). JuniperChill (talk) 23:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have decided to merge Connect with the main EMR article. If the Luton Express is found to be notable in its own right, then it would have to be placed in the existing Connect redirect/article followed by a rename to preserve the history of that page. JuniperChill (talk) 10:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)