Talk:East Village, Manhattan

Early undated comments
&para; I think there should be a separate article on the Lower East Side. The Lower East Side has a historical connotion that the "East Village" completely lacks.

&para; The redirect should be disabled.

&para; No. The EV is part of the LES and there is much more history ABOVE houston street.

&para; Below Houston is historical for the great immigration wave. After that (c.1900) the area above Houston inspired more culturally.

&para; The East Village was a term the developers plugged to seperate it from the Lower East Side, in part, but it should still be kept this way.

Huh?
"Over the last 100 years, the East Village/Lower East Side has arguably contributed more to American arts and culture than any other neighborhood in the nation."

I will edit it to more reasonable claims.

- Sounds like a good idea, It had to read that again when I saw it. Cyprus 23:23, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Western boundary of the East Village
I think this should be Broadway, and the article about Greenwich Village - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Village - lists Broadway as the Eastern boundary of the Village, so when the Bowery and Third Av. are claimed to be the "rough" western boundaries of the East Village, there is a contradiction that begs the question of what to call the 2-3 blocks between Broadway and the Bowery/Third Av. And please, not "Central Village," a designation I don't accept and would like to stamp out, but which if anything is used for the area between 5th Av. or so and Broadway. Michael 09:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

"In the 1980s, real estate developers began promoting the name East Village..."
From almost everything I've read outside of Wikipedia, the name "East Village" was established before the 80s. I haven't found a reputable source on the web, but the term became popular in the 60s during the hippie migration to the neighborhood.

I don't doubt that developers and realtors encouraged the dissociation of EV and LES, or that EV and LES became separate neighborhoods in the 80s, but the section is inaccurate the way it is.

In any case, it doesn't help that most of the article is original research and commentary. Ytny 12:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I lived in the East Village in 1980. It was often called the East Village at that time, though the term was not really common or widespread.  The East Village EYE was already being published by then, and it's not like they made the name up.  When I was down there, it was indeed the real estate people who were pushing hard to separate the neighborhood from the Bowery and make it sound more like the high-rent West Village. - Corporal Tunnel 01:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I lived on East 7th street and Avenue B (in a building that no longer exists) in 1961. When we heard the LES called "East Village" in those days, we thought it pretentious. I lived on East 9th St. between 1st Avenue and Avenue A, in 1963 and we were calling it the EV by that time. Jinepal

Tompkins Square Riot
This section is really poor. The incident may well be significant enough to warrant its own article, or simply be built in to this article, but in either case it needs sourcing. There are many articles from New York City newspapers at the time which can be used to bolster the section, but as it stands now it needs to be wildly revised or perhaps even started from scratch. Cuffeparade 19:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I just checked and there is in fact a very thorough article on the Tompkins Square Park Police Riot. I propose we distill the content of that article into a brief section on this page, or even relegate it to an inline wikilink in the body of this article. Alternatively, there could be a section in this article on gentrification (surely an important, if undoubtedly controversial section to write) which includes references to the riot. Thoughts? Cuffeparade 19:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the section as POV original research, and added a simple mention & link in the intro. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  16:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

East Village Not Part of West Village
I have reverted the false statement that the East Village is "considered" (weasel word) part of Greenwich Village. As near as I can tell, as a native New Yorker and a former resident of the East Village, it is not. It is occasionally mistaken for a component of the Village, but lots of things in New York are mistaken for other things, and there's no notable reason to mention that kind of misunderstanding.

Editor Alderschloss (sorry, don't find the doubled-S code) states that official maps list the East Village as part of Greenwich Village. I'd like to see a link to these maps. The site of the City of New York (nyc.gov) runs a clear neighborhood map here - http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/neighbor/neighbor.pdf - and a map of the Greenwich Village Historic District here - http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/maps/greenwich_village.pdf - for reference. These indicate the correct boundaries, to a greater or lesser approximation, of the neighborhoods.

As is clearly stated in the article opening, the name "East Village" was created in the 60's and became common over the course of several decades. Greenwich Village, on the other hand, was an existing settlement which was absorbed into New York City as the original colony grew. It has a separate street grid, a separate history, a separate past ethnicity, a separate Community Board, and a separate zoning designation, and is in general not connected with the East Village in any way, apart from being next to it.

It is true that some people think there is a connection between the East Village and the Village. This is a false association, just what the realtors hoped for when the made up the name East Village in the first place. If you ask me, the Wiki should ideally correct false notions like these, rather than spreading them. - Corporal Tunnel 15:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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HORRIBLE MAP
The map provided -- showing where in Manhattan the East Village is -- has NO labels. It's really bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris1emt (talk • contribs) 09:37, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Then find a better one. And stop shouting, please. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:14, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Outdated and imbalanced material. Art scene very much alive
The section which discusses the demise of the East Village Art scene gives entirely the wrong information and is very shaky. The temporary recesion of th art scene, was just that. Today there are many art galleries and night clubs. The neighbourhood is actually filled with nightlife.This section needs to be overhauled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.237.94 (talk) 12:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have reverted your changes to the article because they were unsourced opinion. That doesn't mean that I necessarily think that you are wrong, it's simply that to add such information to Wikipedia, you need to have a citation from a reliable source to support it.  Please do not make the changes again without such citations.  Thanks, Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:32, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Erroneous information
The shoreline of the East River did not end at Avenue C and extend only after World War II debris was brought in from London. I lived in a townhouse on East 7th Street between C&D that was built around 1900's. (The windows on the block are all in the style of 1890's, or at least they were in the 1970's) So by the claim here on Wikipedia, my house would have been in the middle of the river. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.10.67.50 (talk) 14:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I confirmed what you've said by consulting The Historical Atlas of New York City, where it is clear that the East River was located east of Avenue D (not C), the size of the additional block being dependent on the angle of the river in relation to the street grid. There was also another north-south street between Avenue D and the river that ran from Houston Street to 9th Street, at a different angle from the rest of the grid. That street no longer exists: it would be where there are now housing projects. I corroborated all this by looking at the 1924 aerial photograph available on the city's GIS site: I've corrected the text to reflect your information. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

POV
Quite a bit of the "history" section, especially the "Decline", "Gentrification" and "Preservation" subsections, appear to me to be written with a POV. A number of these sections are completely unsourced. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:18, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

WP:DATED and recent copy editing
I restored these changes here, with some alterations. While this article may be well-monitored, I think WP:DATED is a good argument for these copy edits. &mdash; MusikAnimal talk 00:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Wrong date. It started in the latter half of the 20th century, though. I just don't know exactly when, but it's probably in the 70s. 146.145.51.18 (talk) 00:46, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Building collapse in East Village
Please update the article with this breaking information. Thank you.  CookieMonster755  (talk)   23:09, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Mayor de Blasio Delivers Remarks on East Village Building Collapse, NYC.gov

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Outdated Photo
The East Village changes pretty fast - but that first photo is almost 20 years old?

I'm new to wikipedia, but I've lived in the neighborhood for over a decade. Can I just snap the same photo today and replace it? BlazeFielding (talk) 08:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Need to define "Half-free" - perhaps a page of its own?
Some links regarding the definition of "Half-free": https://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/history-and-heritage/digital-exhibitions/slavery-exhibit/half-freedom https://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/787 Rlneumiller (talk) 08:50, 3 April 2024 (UTC)