Talk:Eastbourne/Archive 4

Whitbread Hollow
(also known as Whitbread Hole)

In Sport we have: "There was once a small race-course in Whitbread Hollow (now St Bede's school playing fields)." This may be correct but there is no citation and I have no means of checking right now. There was a racecourse higher up on the Downs. Does anyone know where this statement came from? Mikeo1938 (talk) 21:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The above has been fixed. It was indeed at Bullock Down.Mikeo1938 (talk) 10:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

List of State Schools
Do we need to list every school. Apart from being a much frowned upon list, it is also a list of broken links. ++ MortimerCat (talk) 09:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Could we put them all into a footnote? Footnotes do not have to be exclusively for citations; then we could include the correct websites.  The websites are not always apparent from the name of the school; for example, St John's CE in Meads is http://www.meads.e-sussex.sch.uk/ Mikeo1938 (talk) 10:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Rearrangement of List
I've just rearranged the list of schools, providing details in footnotes. This has removed the broken links while still making details available if required. I'm not altogether happy with the string of blue footnote markers in the text. Would it be possible to merge these into one footnote? If so, I'm not sure how to do it. Mikeo1938 (talk) 08:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a List of schools in the South East of England with an East Sussex version. I would suggest that we do not individually name the schools (unless particularly notable) but just point to this list. Further to that, there is suggestion on that page to split the list in county articles List of schools in East Sussex. If that happens, Eastbourne would have its own section List of schools in East Sussex ++ MortimerCat (talk) 08:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. Then the Ofsted reference could perhaps be omitted.  I only put that in as a lead in to the Ofsted site. Mikeo1938 (talk) 07:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Merging of Meads with E'bne article
The problem is that we would then increase the length of the article about Eastbourne. We have just moved much about Holywell to reduce its size. There would be a tendency to amplify the info about other areas and thus enlarge the main article. As far as Meads itself is concerned, there is a mass of other material to be added. (I have not yet got around to doing this.) If Meads ceases to exist as a separate entry, this would be impossible.Mikeo1938 (talk) 10:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Meads merge was a mistake. The criteria I am working too is that the smallest geographical region that can be a stub is a Civil Parish. In the case of Eastbourne Borough, that would mean a ward, such as Meads. MortimerCat (talk) 23:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Education section
For a town of its size, Eastbourne now has a surprisingly small number of state schools.

How was this sentence missed during all the reviewing? Is the statement true, it needs a citation. (Without knowing any facts, I personally would have thought Eastbourne had a high number of schools). Is "now has" grammatically correct. "Surprisingly" is a peacock term. ++ MortimerCat (talk) 00:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that statement has been there for months. The "now" would indicate that there has been a change but that is not the case.  I suggest that the whole statement be removed; people can draw their own conclusions from the list of schools and the population.  As there is now a link to the schools, the string of footnote refs to the schools which I had included can be deleted. Mikeo1938 (talk) 08:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Accredited Language Schools
With regard to the recent edit by PC42, there are still 5 accredited schools in the private sector. Although Meads closed down, St Bede's International is now listed. There has also been some confusion because GEOS (LTC) did not appear in the list of British Council Schools - this appears to have been a glitch which has now been resolved. The footnote (citation 92) is now correct, but periodically needs to be checked back to the British Council list. Mikeo1938 (talk) 07:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just changed the text to give 6 accredited schools (total) - 1 (Sussex Downs) in state sector and 5 in private sector.Mikeo1938 (talk) 07:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

"In literature" section?
Eastbourne is the inspiration for the location of Jane Austen's Sanditon. A crime which occured in Eastbourne in 1912 is also the basis for the 1956 book "A Tangled Web" by Nicholas Blake (see here for information). Does this deserve a section? Malick78 (talk) 17:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I suggest we want to avoid an in literature section which is likely to attract a long list of every mention of Eastbourne. I would be happier if the "mentions" were placed within the existing sections. For example, in the Area and suburbs write "This part of town was the inspiration for Jane Austens Sanditon". I do not know the book so that specific example may be silly, but the point is that we can insert these references and avoid lists.
 * Having said that, if you can write a paragraph or two elaborating on Eastbourne in literature, go for it! ++ MortimerCat (talk) 18:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * We could always start it "Major writers who have mentioned Eastbourne...", or something like that. Btw, the usual timewasters who add pointless trivia may not be into books;) Malick78 (talk) 18:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with Mort on this based on experience with River Thames, which in fact has a stronger literary focus than Eastbourne. There were masses of irrelevant and tangental literature references including one book which had a line about Thames water in it, and another which had a similar name to Three men in a boat. This was cut down to three main books based entirely on the river and works of major authors (eg Dickens, James, Conrad) which had useful allusions to the river - (and it was not long before someone plugged in an obscure childrens story about rats at Deptford Dock). I fear some book fans are into pointless trivia? Motmit (talk) 22:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Rail
Its either a train station or a railway station - can't be both! And it doesn't lie on a spur from the main line - the direct route north of Hampden Park between Polegate and Stone Cross closed many years ago. Peter Shearan (talk) 18:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The question of why Hampden Park is visited twice was raised during the GA accreditation. The spur description answered the question, although admittedly it is not technically correct. I cannot think of a better way to phrase it. MortimerCat (talk) 20:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The answer lies in using the description used in the Official Handbook of Stations 1956 (I've quoted the entire title etc of the copy I hold) where the station is recorded as being "Branch from Polegate". As I mentioned above the "main line", which was rarely used even when it was in situ apart froim special trains, avoided Eastbourne at the triangular junction. The Wiki article on spur states that is is a very short branch line, which this patently is not. As a result, and since Eastbourne is a terminus, trains have to use the "branch" in each direction when traversing in the coast here. Peter Shearan (talk) 06:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Language Schools
People can trace the accredited schools from the British Council link - also via the Education UK link (although the latter does need frequent up-dating). I don't think that individual schools ... accredited or otherwise ... need to be mentioned by name. The article could become an advertising platform. Mikeo1938 (talk) 16:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Request for images of Meads Street
Could someone pse oblige with a couple of pix of Meads Street? Ideally, one taken from near the junction with Matlock Road looking down towards the Ship, and another in the reverse direction. The pix should be uploaded to WikipediaCommons. Pse advise on this page. (Forgot to sign the above)Mikeo1938 (talk) 10:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This has been done and the images are on the Meads page. Mikeo1938 (talk) 19:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

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Other people who attended school in Eastbourne - not mentioned!
Brian Johnston the cricket Test match special (TMS) commentator and presenter of the BBC's radio program "Down your way", was at school at Temple grove, he makes reference to it in his book - "It's been a lot of fun".

And Michael Praed of "Robin of Sherwood" went to Eastbourne college —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.51.121 (talk) 09:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Infobox
I decided to bring this up as it looks like this has been discussed before.

I notice that on this article, the infobox "UK Place" is being used. This is the correct style for most places inn the United Kingdom. However, places (Hastings and Worthing being nearby examples) where the settlement shares the same (or similar) geographical space and article with a local government district (in most cases with the same name) "Infobox settlement" should be used. This is all backed up by this. As Eastbourne is one of these places I propose changing the infobox to "Infobox settlement".

I notice that the previous discussion mentioned mapping problems. This can be sorted on this infobox. Regards, FM [ talk to me  |  show contributions  ]  10:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Doctor Richard Russell
http://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/page_id__8719_path__0p117p157p1660p.aspx says that Russell's treatise was published in 1750, but we are saying that it was published in 1752. Our reference for this is the book by Dr Surtees. I do not have this book to hand. Can someone pse check? Mikeo1938 (talk) 19:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that I have access to the book by Dr Surtees, I can confirm that he indeed states: "Dr Russell's dissertation of 1752 established the fashion for bathing along the south coast, although he advocated drinking sea water."  So let's leave our text as it stands. Mikeo1938 (talk) 15:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Uncited reference to Dad's Army
Neither 92.11.236.73 nor anyone else can be bothered to cite a reference for Eastbourne being near Walmington-on-Sea. We have a well-cited article at present; I suggest that particular piece be deleted if there is no citation forthcoming before 5 Nov. Mikeo1938 (talk) 15:14, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Population
We are currently giving a population for the Borough of 106,652 (with a citation from East Sussex in Figures). A day or two back someone called "90.199.101.113" increased this to 112, 906 and did not change the citation from ESiF. This was then reverted back to 106,652. However, as far as I can see from the ESiF, the population is 96,103 in a document dated September 2009. We are surely talking about the population of the Borough and not the parliamentary constituency. Has the population figure got corrupted over time without anyone noticing ... or am I missing something? Mikeo1938 (talk) 14:54, 16 November 2009 (UTC)