Talk:Eau de Cologne/Archives/2013

Stuff
I removed this:

Literature
Abt.33, Foundation Rhine-Westphalia Buisiness Archives (RWWA); Kölnisches Stadtmuseum, Köln; Hugo Janistyn: Riechstoffe, Seifen, Kosmetika, Heidelberg (1950); Gildemeister/ Hoffmann: Die ätherischen Öle Band. 1, 2. Aufl. (1897); Prof. R. Amelunxen: Das Kölner Ereignis, Ruhrländische Verlagsgesellschaft, Essen (1952); S. Sabetay: Les Eaux de Cologne Parfumée, Sta. Maria Maggiore Symposium (1960); F.V. Wells: Variations on the Eau de Cologne Theme, Sta. Maria Maggiore Symposium (1960); G.Fenaroli e L.Maggesi: Rivista Italiana delle Ess. e Prof. (1960); Francesco La Face: Le materie prime per l´acqua di colonia, Relazione al Congresso di S.Maria Maggiore (1960); F.V. Wells: Perfumery Technology, p.25, p.278, John Wiley & Sons, London (1975) ; Dr. Werner Schäfke: OH! DE COLOGNE, Wienand Verlag, Köln (1985); Dr. Bernd Ernsting u. Dr. Ulrich Krings: Der Ratsturm, S.506 + 507 ff, J.P. Bachem Verlag, Köln (1996);

--ben dummett 05:59, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup
Ouch. There's tons of interesting background here. But the history is very complicated due to almost certain confusion in accounts due to the Farina family having multiple heirs all with the same name (as Jean-Marie Farina, Johann Maria Farina, etc). Any cleanup needs to tidy and integrate 4711 and Johann Maria Farina. - Tearlach 22:16, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

History of Eau de Cologne
The history is quiet clean and recorded. ''unsigned post by


 * Only if you adopt a view filtered through one source. For example, the press document has a different slant on the history. There are various accounts, and many of them credit Feminis and his Aqua Mirabilis as a precursor of Eau de Cologne (see, , ). If this is coming from the account at www.eau-de-cologne.com , it looks to me commercially biased. There were loads of precursors about in Cologne at the time - "Hungarian Water, Eau imperiale, English water and Aqua mirabilis", and that is context for the origin of the Farina version. Tearlach 19:03, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

The truth is that Farina composed this fragrance in the first place, calling it Eau de Cologne. As it was delivered to royal houses all over Europe, others wanted to have their share of the success and named their respective fragrances Eau de Cologne, too, and even attempted to sell them under the name of Farina. 4711, in my opinion, is no perfume at all and is not used as such. G. from Cologne —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.135.72.42 (talk) 19:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Links
Why is there no link to www.farina1709.com? Also how can one order Eau de Cologne when the company does not reply. --Margrave1206 (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

This article is a complete mess
This article isn't in such bad shape that it warrants deletion, but it's very close.

The article contradicts itself, repeatedly. The editors here don't seem to have a viewpoint outside their own particular perspective.

Example: "Cologne, or originally and more correctly, Eau de Cologne". It is NOT more correct. Editors, you need to understand that words have different senses. "Cologne" is perfectly correct. It's easy to find in a dictionary, and widely understood.

I wouldn't pick on this example, except that it's typical of errors all though this article. It's completely unbelievable that all manufacturers use between 2-5%. Sorry. Quoting another Wiki article holds no water. Manufacturers are going to call "cologne" anything they please. 1%? 20%? It makes no difference. There's no legal meaning to "cologne" or "eau de cologne".

It's unacceptable to give a listing of what were perceived (without citation) to be the main components of HISTORICAL colognes. If the idea is to write an article about "Eau de Cologne (historical)", all to the good. Create another article. But do not claim that current usage is incorrect, or that it is in some legal sense invalid. 24.130.9.125 (talk) 04:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the original article may have been written by someone from Farina. They would "know" the facts and therefore did not quote. I've corrected some mistakes, put in some quotes and added a bibliography. There could be a separate paragraph on the history of 4711 and another one on colognes in general. G. from Cologne —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.135.103.73 (talk) 21:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Is "eau-de-cologne" a French word or German word?
It looks like a French word, isn't it?219.152.186.48 (talk) 06:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It's French, but has been adopted in many other langauges as a loan word. In German, in addition to this loan word the literal translation "Kölnisch Wasser" ("Kölnisch" being a somewhat ancient adjective for the city of Cologne) is also used. The term means simply "water of Cologne". SchnitteUK (talk) 17:04, 15 November 2013 (UTC)