Talk:Ecclesiastical titles and styles

The Pope
Shouldn't the Pope be on this list? 2602:306:BD87:D2C0:84B5:5C80:AC27:6952 (talk) 20:23, 20 July 2016 (UTC)Fr. Brad

Globalize?
I honestly have no idea if forms of address would be different in other English-speaking countries, but since that's what the article implies now I'm putting on it. I would assume other languages would use different forms, but I'm not sure that's really under the scope of the English Wikipedia. BryanG(talk) 20:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, they are different, which is why the page was changed in the first place (does no one bother to read "histories"?) and why it is in present form. The hope is that now that the US is done, someone from the UK, from Ireland, etc. will come and add appropriate, accurate, up-to-date sections.HarvardOxon 00:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry, didn't think to read the history. Learn something new every day... BryanG(talk) 01:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Cardinals
I wonder how 'Cardinal John Smith' is preferred over 'John Cardinal Smith'. Is there some kind of standard out there? I don't think there is any kind of US convention either way as I see both formats used. --Sephiroth9611 00:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It is the style used by the Vatican Press Office itself and the Catholic News Service. The former style is an obsolete holdover from European styles of royalty and was, fully, "The Most Reverend and Most Eminent Lord John, of the title of the Church of Saint Mary Cardinal Presbyter of the Holy Roman Church, Smith." HarvardOxon 02:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

In fact there are plenty of archdioceses that use this form, to the point where it is an exaggeration to call it "obsolete." Given that the intent of the Wikipedia site is to be comprehensive, a better solution is to acknowledge both forms. It certainly does no harm. 1995hoo 20:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Address for a Prior
The article lists the direct address for a Prior who's full name is Fr. John Smith O.P. as Fr. Smith. In my experience working with, for and being educated by members of a religious order of men, they almost always go by their first name since it is often different from their baptismal name and chosen at their profession. I believe the proper direct address for a prior therefore would be either Fr. John (Or Br. John if he isn't ordained) or Prior John. The only time I have ever seen members of a religious order use their surname in address is when they are doing parish work and a Prior would not be thusly employed. I haven't changed it because I think there should be discussion before editing articles. Kjrjr (talk) 15:28, 2 October 2013 (UTC)kjrjr

Protestant
There are examples of titles and styles to Catholic and Orthodox clergy.. but what about Anglican and Lutheran clergy? -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:02, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

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