Talk:Echo (Marvel Comics)

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 * ''See also: Talk:Ronin (comics)

Name
More of a question than a comment, but for those who edited this to include the Ronin info .. has anyone actually CALLED Maya "Ronin" in any of the Avengers comics? I scanned through the issues quickly and couldn't find anything. Seems to me that the Ronin name was just one used by Marvel (and Bendis) to throw us off the true identity. I don't know if she's going to actually using that name at all. &mdash;preceding unsigned comment by 68.37.191.119 (talk &bull; contribs)
 * LOL. Good point. Another reason to leave the page here. - SoM 21:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I have to give it you, there, er-- unsigned user. You forgot reading the summary at page 1 of Issues 12 and 13. The summary calls her Ronin, though no one has called her as such in the story, I think that one would be enough. --Windspinner 04:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, not necessarily. As I've often said in Talk:Avengers (comics), summary is not the same as an in-story mention, and ultimately that should take precedence. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If your name does turn out to be Ronin, she would we move this page to it? I mean, it doesnt look like she'll be being called Echo soon. Or we could just move it to Maya Lopez?--DrBat 16:55, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * ok, I am not sure if I am doing this right so pls forgive me if I accidentally step on anyones toes.

I wanted to point out something that is being said at the bottom of the article about Maia and Elektra both being stars in the Pleiades. I want to point out that the Greek "Maia" is a completely different name from Maya, as the Greek version is pronounced Meh-a (the e is like the e in echo) an not like M-eye-a as in Maya. The pronounciation similar to Maya deriving from the roman/latin mispronounciation of Greek diphthongs (ai in greek sounds like e in echo). Radaemon (talk) 22:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)radaemon

Fight with Daredevil
The article states that "she proves more than a match for Daredevil", but I just read this story arc and that is not the case. In her fight with Daredevil, she is trying to kill him while he is clearly trying not to harm her while looking for an opportunity to get her to read his lips. Daredevil immediately found and exploited multiple weaknesses in her methods and her "powers" (darkness; by copying him he knows her next move). I think these points were intended by the authors to show that he could have taken her without too much effort. When she ends up on top, he gets his chance to show her he is Matt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justeco (talk • contribs) 00:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Removal from the category for Marvel Comics heroes, non-superpowered
I was already dubious of her inclusion in this category, but when I saw her listed as a "prime example" of "photographic reflexes" in the entry that lists superpowers, well that sealed the deal. It's quite clear that her ability to duplicate a vast variety of physical skills perfectly through mere observation is not a power you find in humans in real life.--Perceive 11:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Based on...
For now, I'm removing the "Heroes based on heroes" category as it's not explained anywhere in the article and the category itself is due to be deleted ka1iban 21:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Removed blatant pov
''Some accuse Marvel of overexposing Echo and of her being a blatant ripoff of Elektra in the sense that Daredevil's ex-lover also hunted him down. Other accuse Marvel editor in chief Joe Quesada of favoring his own creations and bringing these characters to the forefront in the spotlight Marvel titles. Ronin/Echo is prominently featured as the main character in the February 2007 issue of New Avengers #27.''

I removed this. Not only is it blatantly POV (and with weasel words; "some" say? WHO says?), but innaccurate and far reaching to extremes.

'Blatant' rip off of Elektra because its an ex-lover hunting him down? You mean like Typhoid Mary was? Or the fact that Echo was dating Matt at the time so thus she wouldn't qualify as 'ex'. If anything, the movie Elektra ripped off Echo. That being she dated Matt in her civilan guise, attacked him in her costumed one erroneously believing him to be responsible for her father's death, and then relenting after discovering its Matt.

Or the part about she's being overexposed. Huh? The most frequent criticism was that she was so little-known that no one knew who she was when Ronin pulled off the mask! She was a character in two Daredevil arcs, both by the same writer. Thats it!

Joe Quesada favoring his own creations? Last time I checked David Mack was the one who created her. And Mack isn't the one featuring her in Avengers...its Bendis, who has NEVER written Echo prior. And appearing in one arc before taking a break for three arcs? Yeah, so much overexposure.--CyberGhostface 01:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

handprint
That mark on her face.. where did it come from? I cant find any mentions anywhere. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.29.238.90 (talk) 02:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Its based in part of how in his last moments, her father left a bloody handprint on her face. Although I imagine she basically just paints it on now.--CyberGhostface 03:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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Saying Echo and Hawkeye begin a "relationship" because they slept together is a bit of a stretch
Come on, Hawkeye sleeps with everyone. Using this as evidence that they are beginning a reltionship is unfounded. It happened in the last issue. Remove this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 02:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

On Lip-Reading and Speech
Her lip-reading capabalities are well-delineated, but does she actually talk in the comics or is she limited to sign language and gesture? --Megspayne (talk) 18:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)