Talk:Echo boom generation

US Bias?
I presume this is a US-specific phenomenon, and that what is described - over 4 million live births per year - refers to the US. Please clarify this. Varchoel 12:56, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I have got exactly the same question. Does anyone know? Wikikob 13:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The echo boom also occurred in Canada and some European countries (I will get a source for this). Meanwhile, I've adjusted the wording. Sunray 06:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't add up
I'm having trouble with the math. Baby boom: 1946- 1964 If we assume a generation is about 22 year, then the "echo" of the boom should have started around 1968-1990, and the oldest echo boomers would be 31 when the first article appeared in 1999. Most sources seem to refer to a much younger group that sound like they would be the grandkids of the Boomers. Anyone figure this out? ThanksDennisboomer 04:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * This certainly isn't scientific, but of the Baby Boomers I know (including my parents), many of them married and had children later rater than sooner. This may (or may not) account for the discrepancy. Amphy 03:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments on the article
"It has been said that Echo Boomers may become the next Greatest Generation, but that theory has been proven already."

Excuse me? Is this a typo or some weird thing I don't understand? 68.118.0.110 01:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This entire article strikes me as being fishy. I'm a member of this generation and, maybe because I lack perspective, it seems to me that this paints us in an overly-optimistic light.


 * I agree. And what about this: "Most political views of Echo Boomers are shared with their parents (Baby Boomers). This is due to similar presidential tension and the largely opposed war in Iraq." Are all Echo Boomers democrats? Next, would their parents be Baby Boomers? A Boomer born in 1946 would have to wait until they're 36 years old in order to have a child that would fit into the timespan given for this generation. This article doesn't look very finished. LK 01:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. While I am born with in the time span and have parents who are Baby Boomers, I know that's not true for most. The kids in elementary school used to stare at me in shock when I said my parents' ages. ɱў ɭ ĩє  What did I do wrong 16:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

-You see you speak with honesty and you arent shy to express yourself, haha the future next great generation :P nah, Im kidding Im part of this generation and I think that we suck as everyone else... 'Dan'

this may be a little early to say but i think that we are the first generation to use Wikipedia and the last to not one completely trust it this might be a little corny but i think that it is true. any thoughts? and also i am part of this generation my dad was a baby boomer Quilman 03:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

You're the first generation not to use punctuation in your sentences. The term "echo boom" sounds made up by some psuedo-sociologist. Most of this Wiki article seems to be written by the proud parent of a honor student. In fact it suffers from the very ego-boosting critiqued in the linked CBS article. I see no proof, nothing to suggest the greatness of this generation in my daily life. It is the first generation to be intimately connected to information- all recorded music free and available, cell phones, worlds real and imaginary available online 24/7/365, the information age. Too much. The result is a generation with no identity whatsoever. Reading the CBS article, it sounds like we've created a race of robots.--69.129.198.127 21:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * 69.129.198.127: If you can find a different name moved, please bring it up. Since this generation is still growing, I think much of the speculation needs to be removed or properly sourced. Sounds like you don't like/see much worth in this generation. ;)
 * "You're the first generation not to use punctuation in your sentences." - Play nice now. ;)
 * The first paragraph may need a source near the end, and the second really needs to have something done to it.
 * Here's how I see it:
 * "These individuals typically share moral qualities with their grandparents (usually the G.I. or Greatest Generation)." - keyword: "typically"; no source or data.
 * "Some of these include the importance of hard work, dedication, and being an effective team member." - Sounds like POV junk.
 * "Most political views of Echo Boomers are shared with their parents (Baby Boomers)." - Needs source, but probably no data - EBs aren't voting yet anyways.
 * "This is due to similar presidential tension and the largely opposed war in Iraq." - Source, not all EBs are Democrats.
 * "Many of the Echo Boomers have a closer relationship with their Baby Boomer parents and enjoy similar tastes in music and styles." - source? Or does CBS cover this?
 * "It should be noted that while Echo Boomers are not as rebellious as their parents, they are not shy when it comes to speaking their minds." - Eh??
 * OSborn 04:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "Many of the Echo Boomers have a closer relationship with their Baby Boomer parents and enjoy similar tastes in music and styles." - source? Or does CBS cover this?
 * "It should be noted that while Echo Boomers are not as rebellious as their parents, they are not shy when it comes to speaking their minds." - Eh??
 * OSborn 04:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OSborn 04:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

War in Iraq Reference

 * Edit: Corrected typo in heading OSborn 04:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

"This is due to similar presidential tension and the largely opposed war in Iraq."

No reference for "largely opposed". Really, President Bush was reelected in 2004, I think that would mean that a majority of the country supports him.

OSborn 05:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I do believe that you are correct and that you should change it to what you think would be right, but you also need to take into account the fact that a part of this generation is 12-17 so they did not really vote and in 2004 when bush was reelected there were even less people voting. there were parts of this generation that were only 9, i think, but i think that you should still change it. I also think that a lot of this generation is still trying to make up there mind about there views but do what you want i not going to change it if you change the Iraq war refrence i think that you are right but that is just me. Quilman 22:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

OSborn, Bush's approval rating is around 28%. Whatever support he used to have is gone. Among the Echo boom generation, his approval rating is likely lower, given that younger voters are more likely to vote Democratic. That being said, I don't think this page is encyclopaedic. It reads like a high school Social Studies essay. -Thucydides411 23:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Quilman: I must cede, you are correct. I was rather going off the point of the unreferenced bit.
 * Thucydides411: Is the 28% a rating of the Echo Boom generation? In any case, it must be be sourced.
 * Regarding the essayness, I must agree. The end part (some theory about greatest generation) needs some links or
 * sources or something. "It has been said..." sounds like weasel words to me.
 * OSborn 02:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * sources or something. "It has been said..." sounds like weasel words to me.
 * OSborn 02:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

We also should remember- only half the people in this country vote, and W. was elected (or selected the first time around) by a fraction over 50%. Which means that a quarter of the US supported W. enough to vote for him (and a quarter for Kerry.)--69.129.198.127 21:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced generalization
I've just cut the following paragraph of unsourced generalization. Unless someone can cite something scholarly, its unencyclopedic and doesn't belong. --Whalepelt 05:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * These individuals typically share moral qualities with their grandparents (usually the G.I. or Greatest Generation). Some of these include the importance of hard work, dedication, and being an effective team member. Many of the Echo Boomers have a closer relationship with their Baby Boomer parents and enjoy similar tastes in music and styles. It should be noted that while Echo Boomers are not as rebellious as their parents, they are not shy when it comes to speaking their minds.

Merge
Merge: Since May there has been a merge tag proposing the merger of Echo Boom into this article. There has been no discussion on this, but it makes sense to me to merge the content of the stubby little article on Echo boom, and change it to a redirect to this article. I will do that if no one objects within the next couple of days. Sunray 21:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm, same names... Looks like it's just 2 articles for the same generation. I agree, merge. OSbornarf 12:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Merged. Sunray 06:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion
Is there any evidence of the use other than by S&H? If not, it should be deleted. DGG (talk) 08:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * or possibly, merge into Generation Y ? DGG (talk) 05:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * As a whole I think that naming a certain generation is a dumb thing.83.228.89.2 (talk) 20:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * sure it is, but yet people do it quite a bit, so the ones they use are notable. People do many dumb things, and WP has a few hundred thousand articles that might well be considered to be about them. DGG (talk) 14:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking atthe presnt definition, how can a group of people born during a 4 year period, 1988-1992 possibly be called a generation? DGG (talk) 02:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I am prepared to edit this page and turn it into a redirect if no one disagrees. Generally the term "Echo Boomer" is used as a term that businesses use when discussing marketing and recruiting to the generation otherwise known as "Generation Y" here, here, and here are some external references to this usage. Of course, like the page says the dates dont exactly match up, but all the same I think it's clear that this page is unreliable. anyone have any problems with me proceeding with this action? %% -SYKKO- %% (talk to me) 09:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

To follow up on my point, all you have to do is pay attention to the external links listed on the page which clearly define Echo Boomers as the same age range as all the other names that this generation has %% -SYKKO- %% (talk to me) 09:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I am adding a header to this comment and adding a merge tag to the article, I am hoping to open up discussion so that I can have a consensus about this merge before I move forward with it %% -SYKKO- %% (talk to me) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, the redirect is complete. If anyone feels that I made the wrong decision please leave me a message on my talk page. %% -SYKKO- %% (talk to me) 01:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)