Talk:Echo parakeet

Species page
Should this be part of a species page on P. eques? Snowman (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, see section here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:R%C3%A9union_parakeet FunkMonk (talk) 05:05, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes/agree. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Neutral We may revisit soon with all this island species splitting going on now....We could also change the Echo parakeet to Mauritius parakeet, and then create an article for Echo parakeet for both subspecies......whatever is the consensus, I'm neutral. The IOC has one species with the birds subspecies of each other....Pvmoutside (talk) 13:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It may not even be a subspecies. They are also considered two populations of the same taxon by some. FunkMonk (talk) 14:17, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * has kindly sent me a new paper that confirms they are subspecies. "The close phylogenetic relationship and low but detectable nucleotide divergence between the single specimen of the extinct P. eques and the extant P. echo (0.2%) suggest that these island populations had evolutionarily diverged, but the low level of divergence suggests it is likely the populations on Reunion and Mauritius were only divergent at a sub-specific level." What to do? If we retain the two subspecies articles as separate, we would need to have a new species page, since the echo parakeet article now has both the extant subspecies and the overall species as scope. Personally, I think they should be merged into one, comprehensive article. FunkMonk (talk) 15:27, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Appears a new paper doubts even the subspecific status. FunkMonk (talk) 16:41, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and merged the articles. I'm planning to expand this one soon, and include all information about the Réunion bird here anyway. FunkMonk (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, you added eques is Latin for knight, but none of the sources state this specifically (but rather horseman/cavalry, which is not necessarily the same). Any source that could be added? FunkMonk (talk) 07:07, 20 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Ah, no. I feel that nevertheless some translation must be added, otherwise the context is not intelligible to a reader not knowing Latin. "Horseman" is excellent. That's what eques literally means in Latin. For Boddaert as a Dutchman these meanings would have coincided, as in Dutch "knight" is ridder, meaning "rider".--MWAK (talk) 08:02, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

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Copy edit queries
Hi FunkMonk. I am astonished to hear that English is not your first language. A few queries.
 * "In the same publication, the British conservation biologist Carl G. Jones …" You haven't stated what the publication was, nor even that Cheke's review was in a publication. As I don't know what it is either, I can't copy edit it. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:09, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * And thanks again, glad to have you onboard this time too! I Have actually been thinking about giving a bit more context for that publication in-text, because it is the most detailed account of the bird, maybe I should do that after you finish the CE? But I can explain here, it is a book about Mascarene birds (Studies of Mascarene Island Birds, 1987), which documents a lot of field observations of the species covered, many details which had not been published about before. FunkMonk (talk) 13:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I feel that it is the least I can do, given how much effort you put into reviewing. Plus it is fun to go through serious articles, and I actually learn things. Thanks. I shall have a go at putting something in but, obviously, feel free to revert or change. And feel free to add something on it while I am working, although I hope not to be long.
 * Another couple:
 * "The immature is similar to the female". Is that similar with regards too the bill, or similar overall?
 * In general. FunkMonk (talk) 10:25, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * "They vocalise all year, but more during the breeding season." Is that for a longer period overall, more frequently, longer vocalisations, louder, or several of these?
 * The soruce just says "Vocalisations can be heard throughout the year, but the birds are considerably more vocal during the breeding season (September-December)." FunkMonk (talk) 10:25, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * "The echo parakeet also formerly occurred in lightly wooded (heavily degraded) areas." I am not sure what "(heavily degraded)" means in this context. Is it lightly wooded because it has been heavily degraded, or has it always been lightly wooded, but is now heavily degraded as well? Or something else?
 * The source says "formerly in lightly wooded, i.e. heavily degraded country; now favours areas with largest remaining native trees". I take this to mean it is lightly wooded because it is degraded. FunkMonk (talk) 10:25, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * "Clutch size has been reported as two to three (while one to four is also possible)" How do you know that 1 or 4 is possible? Given that only 2 or 3 has, apparently, been reported.
 * Now I can't find the source that says one egg is possible, but most others say 2-4 is normal, which it should be then. FunkMonk (talk) 10:25, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you run an eye over this: "with two males being observed ending on the ground from low bushes, which ended in one male breaking free"
 * Maybe awkwardly worded, here is how the source puts it: "Actual fights are rare although Temple recorded one between two males in low bushes in which both ended on the ground before one broke free and flew off. Neither appeared to be seriously injured." FunkMonk (talk) 10:25, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Gog the Mild (talk) 20:37, 23 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I have a single comment to the ce so far, the following sentence: "The echo parakeet is now restricted to forested areas of Mauritius with native vegetation, namely the Black River Gorges National Park in the south west which covers less than 2% of Mauritius as of 2017". The bolded part was originally in the beginning of the sentence, because the 2% refers to surviving native vegetation, but now it might be read as if the 2% refers to the size of the national park? FunkMonk (talk) 10:42, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the responses.
 * "a chapter which was by then one of a few studies of echo parakeet biology" "a few" is ambiguous in context: it could mean 'several'; or 'not many'. If you know which I will amend accordingly.
 * It should be "not many", as in there were only three or such (including the one cited). FunkMonk (talk) 07:20, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Could point, apologies. See what you think now. (In my defence, I am currently having a second run, checking for things I have missed or introduced.)
 * Gog the Mild (talk) 22:18, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * OK. I am done. Ping me with any queries or if you would like to know why I made a particular change. Obviously feel free to change or revert anything which contradicts a source or you don't like. Also feel free to ping me once it goes to FAC. Good luck. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:35, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me (I might ping you once I've implemented the GAN suggestions, if they change the wording much)! I have one question, you changed a sentence to "It was discovered that from clutches of three or four eggs, only one or two chicks would fledge", when it said only one chick would fledge before, how come? The source says "The biologists found that though females typically laid three or four eggs, usually only one chick fledged." FunkMonk (talk) 17:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)