Talk:Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace

Album leak inclusion
This is an article designed to inform encyclopedic information about the album. The fact that the album was leaked to the internet is a no brainer, but to note this sort of information where no public response is made by the band, producers or other notable sources is considered original research and based on the nature of information, original research about that sort of thing is potentially libelous, which is one of the few actual rules of wikipedia, otherwise wp is predominatly driven by guidelines, not rules. The article is subject to the wikiproject WP:ALBUM, which clearly states that leaked album information is unacceptable except in extreme circumstances (such as with Linkin Park's new album or RHCP's new one, because both bands publicly responded, which the Foos haven't, nor anybody on their management side). -- linca linca  02:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC) linca linca  03:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 05:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 15:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Cheer Up, Boys?
Why is it that one day it says that "Cheer Up Boys" will be the next single and there is even an article for it and the next day there is no mention of it being a single at all and the article is deleted, even though the fact it has a cover means that it will be released as a single soon if it hasn't been already? Sherlock32 (talk) 22:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Every indication is that the single has been cancelled. All of the major retailers (Amazon.co.uk, etc) have taken it down.  Normally, I would say, "We need a source for this," but we were using exactly the same sites to claim that it was being released in the first place.


 * The existence of a cover doesn't mean that a single is definitely being released, and is also not enough to justify the existence of an article. (If the single was never released, we lose fair use justification for posting the artwork anyway.)  If you read the last version of the single's article before it was merged to this one, all it said was that it was apparently scheduled for release and then apparently cancelled.  There wasn't anything about the song itself.  Bad sources and no content equals no reason for a separate article. -- ChrisB (talk) 00:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clearing this up for me. Sherlock32 (talk) 01:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed that the article for this song keeps getting reverted. I think it deserves its own articel. I will list the points to my arguement:


 * 1) It has unique artwork
 * 2) It was or possibly will be a single
 * 3) It was deleted, making it interesting
 * 4) The song itself deserves some looking into

I think we need to keep the article up, even if it was deleted, it was still a single. We have articles for plenty of deleted singles, why not this one!--Gen. Quon (talk) 02:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Stupid question but...
That bit about this album beginning a commercial downfall for the band seems to be a POV issue. How does Billboard even work now that so many people download music from say, iTunes? In light of that, is it fair to say this album is undersuccessful at all? CSZero (talk) 03:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Turns out that RIAA sales certifcation and Billboard's charts are not related at all. So, my point stands.  The dinosaur that is RIAA seems to be missing that more and more music sales are going digital, making their system useless for comparing album sales going back a decade... CSZero (talk) 03:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Other songs?
Could somebody please make it clearer what this section is on about? Zazaban (talk) 09:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

B Sides
Why has this section been added to this page and most of the other Foo Fighters albums pages? BSides have nothing to do with the album itself, they are on the singles released from the album, not the actual album. If nobody objects i will remove that section and instead just list the bonus tracks found on some versions of the album itself. Skilmore (talk) 16:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)