Talk:Eco - Association of the Internet Industry

Logo image: Low resolution and license questionable
I added an infobox and used the 5 year old logo image from the German article. However it has quite a low resolution. eco offers much higher-resolution logos on their website under "Presse-Downloads", but with no stated license. (Concerning that, the old low res logo has no proof on its file description page that eco ever released it under the stated CC license.) I think I will write them a mail and ask what they think about releasing their logos under a free license. --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 23:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Contacted eco's PR department about use of their logo today. Waiting for a response. --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 14:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Called them again today and also asked if they can provide a list of external media reports about themselves. --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 18:02, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Today, I finally talked to a nice eco lady who promised to email me a freely licensed English vector logo as well as a list of external press reports, publications and studies. With that material this draft would finally stand a chance to become an article. --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 14:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I have called them at least four times now and got promised an email reply several times, but nothing happened. I'm giving up for the moment. --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 10:21, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

more Info from EU transparency register
I just referenced and linked eco's registration in the infobox. They have more info there that could be used in the article: There's more in there, but these items did catch my attention. --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 00:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * intensity of eco's lobbying, targeting EU policy makers:
 * by worktime (1 full time lobbyist, 4 part (25%) time lobbyists = equivalent of 2 full time lobbyists)
 * estimated annual costs for 2019 (€50,000 - €99,999)
 * stated membership in other organisations:
 * EuroISPA – www.euroispa.org
 * EIF - www.internetforum.eu
 * INHOPE – www.inhope.org

Sources needed after recent translation effort
I wasn't able to wikiling or cite any sources for most of the entities named in the text. Please help me find sources for the following entities: --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 13:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * German Anti-Spam Congress
 * Internet Security Days
 * EuroCloud Deutschland_eco e. V.
 * EuroCloud network
 * StarAudit
 * Advanced Cyber ​​Defense Center

Large parts of the German article are unusable and not sourced
I will continue my translation work, given time, but I won't translate a large part of the current German article that I find unusable. This concerns the sections "Verbandsziele", "Vorstandsbereiche", "Kompetenzgruppen", "Services".

They read like a completely uncritical commercial PR blurb in the German original. While I do think that we could have a section about eco's "Structure" or "Organization", the German text has far too much irrelevant details and unwarranted enthusiam for the organization's aims.

Additionally, would you please look at the German article's sourcing situation. It's entirely self-published material by eco itself with no inline citations. Four links to "eco.de" is all there is.

This will not stand as an article in English Wikipedia on notability grounds alone.

Please help by adding external sources.

(btw, I am seriously tempted to test the German Wiki's handling of lazy source work in this case by posting a deletion notice for the German article...) --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 13:36, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Quoting Exchange Point statistics
, I noticed you tried to quote Packet Clearing House for the DE-CIX usage rankings. I think that's generally a good idea, but the problem here is that you are linking to a statistic that is dynamically generated from their server data. Someone who calls up your link a month or a year later will see something different than you. You generally quote fixed texts, not dynamic data.

You would use a web archiving point by the Internet Archive, but I'm not sure that this would work here, if IA would really pull and store the large amount of data behind this view. We could try. But of of far better value would be citing an article that reports about a certain standing, like "DE-CIX topping usage statistics again for 2020", if such a thing exists. --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 14:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)


 * @ΟΥΤΙΣ, I've just replaced the reference with a static one from the Internet Archive, but will keep looking for a credible verbose-text reference. EVhotrodder (talk) 14:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)