Talk:Economy of Bangladesh/Archive 1

Civil war in 1970's?

 * Bangladesh still suffers an image crisis due to her civil war period of early 1970s

What civil war are we talking about here? Bangladesh has never had a civil war in its history. Hence, I'm removing the sentence. -- Urnonav 01:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

turicus2: When Bangladesh was still East Pakistan, it was politically one country. Splitting the country in two could be seen as a civil war.

Improvement drive
Grameen Bank has been nominated to be improved by This week's improvement drive. Vote for the article there if you are interested in this topic. --Fenice 13:22, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

textile section
I contributed a lonjg section on bangladesh's textile sector. I'm not very good at formatting so if someone could improve it that would be good. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Katecarr (talk • contribs) 04:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

Overview
Why is the overview.. at the bottom??? --Iliaskarim 17:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Intro Issues
The first paragraphs seem somewhat optimistic and need English editing. For example, Bangladesh is not only a developing country, it is classified by the UN as one of the Least Developed Countries (LDC). What did the author mean by "GDP's rapid growth due to sound financial control and regulations have also contributed to its growth."? Sound financial control normally curbs expenditures which reduces budget deficit, but it does not of itself create growth! Statistics on the main contributors to growth would be more interesting (garments, agricultural exports, remittances?). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Turicus2 (talk • contribs) 04:37, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree with above statements re optimistic opening paragraphs. The various and substantial challenges facing Bangladesh need more attention in order to present a balanced view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.40.171.39 (talk) 06:59, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Agreed with above. I've made some grammatical and structural changes to the intro without altering the content - such that I did not think consensus was needed. I do have issues with the content though. What are RMGs? What does it mean that the "industrial base remains positive"? Bangaldesh possessing the only natural seaports is not supported with references. If we can verify that the Ganges River delta is the largest in the world, it may warrant inclusion. I can contribute to the English of the articles but the content will need a different expert.--Taajikhan (talk) 21:33, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Whats with Wikipedia and predictions
In the 1960s the World Bank used to say Sri Lanka and Pakistan will be tiger economies ahead of South Korea and Thailand. The problem with these predictions is that they are based on current rates of growth, which are bound change in the future, as growth goes up or down. Please don't sensationalize predictions. Bangladesh is widely expected to increase its rate of growth to 8% and above in the coming years, from the current level of 6-6.5%.--203.112.78.5 (talk) 16:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Unsourced contents
Instead of deleting the unsourced contents, please add citation needed tag so that someone could get a chance to verify them. Thanks. -- Zayeem  (talk) 11:08, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The solution is simple: you must comply with Wikipedia policy and stop vandalizing the article by repeatedly adding and re-adding huge amounts of unsourced content. And you must stop edit warring to further your disruptive behavior. AfricaTanz (talk) 15:21, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * A simpler solution: add and give others a chance to verify those contents. It's actually you who is continuously violating the policies by those mass deletions instead of adding the citation needed tag. Moreover, you also removed some references with this edit so I'm reverting it.-- Zayeem  (talk) 15:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Disclaimer: I have not yet read any of the sentences that are being repeatedly deleted by AfricanTanz.
 * As in some other articles (Bengal), AfricaTanz continues to apply the same mode of action in this article, mass deletion. While that may be applicable in some article, that is not the way in every article. WHy don't you tag at least some sentences with cn tag? And Kmzayeem, you ave some idea now which sentences s/he is deleting. You can go ahead and start adding refs to some of them.--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added some refs but it would help a lot if he adds the cn tag.-- Zayeem  (talk) 08:06, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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Dr. Shonchoy's comment on this article
Dr. Shonchoy has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:

"In the agricultural sector, we see more concentration of Maize harvesting specially in the northern Bangladesh, predominantly used for fish feed and animal fodder (for cows). In the export sector Shrimp and sea-food also have a considerable share. In the Main Industries categorization, Out-sourcing and IT industry is missing.

The Economic history is biased towards the sources for funding and aid received by Bangladesh. First of all, except of multilateral aid from World Bank and IMF, there are other countries -- like Japan -- played an important part, as Japan is still the biggest bi-lateral donor for Bangladesh. India's contribution in terms of foreign aid has been over-emphasized. There exit two important economic history for Bangladesh, one is the rise of micro-credit revolution, pioneered by Grameen and second is the rising flow of immigrants who regularly send remittance. These need to be included.

The manufacture and Industry sector seems not complete. At least discussion is needed for Tea, Jute, Pharmaceuticals, Leather, and other upcoming industries like IT and Light engineering.

In the investment section, need a discussion on the Export Processing Zone (EPZ). In the later half of the article, after investment seems incomplete and no work is needed."

We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.

We believe Dr. Shonchoy has expertise on the topic of this article, since he has published relevant scholarly research:


 * Reference : Kudo, Yuya & Shonchoy, Abu S. & Takahashi, Kazushi, 2015. "Impacts of solar lanterns in geographically challenged locations : experimental evidence from Bangladesh," IDE Discussion Papers 502, Institute of Developing Economies, Japan External Trade Organization(JETRO).

ExpertIdeasBot (talk) 20:39, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

INCREASE of Nominal GDP in Financial Year 2017-18
The nominal GDP of Bangladesh increased in Financial year 2017-18. As it is quoted on the article http://www.unb.com.bd/bangladesh-news/GDP-to-hit-765-pc-this-fiscal-year-Minister/67244: The Planning Minister said the GDP size has been increased to US$ 275 billion (Tk 2,238,498 crore) in the current fiscal year from US$ 249 billion (Tk1,975,815.4 crore) in 2016-2017 fiscal year. So I'm putting a increased tag on the Nominal GDP.-- Nirvik12 (talk) 18:24, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

GDP estimates are not accurate
2 issues. GDP numbers are wildly different from the cited source (that being the IMF) and are constantly changing due to new editors (presumably from Bangladesh) being fixated on having the latest and greatest 2019 numbers, even though it may be a bit early and the year is not over yet. glhf. Also bit of a bug in the infobox. KREOH (talk) 08:25, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 08:35, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2019/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=96&pr.y=1&sy=2017&ey=2024&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=513&s=NGDP_R%2CNGDP_RPCH%2CNGDP%2CNGDPD%2CPPPGDP%2CNGDP_D%2CNGDPRPC%2CNGDPRPPPPC%2CNGDPPC%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC%2CPPPSH%2CPPPEX%2CNID_NGDP%2CNGSD_NGDP%2CPCPI%2CPCPIPCH%2CPCPIE%2CPCPIEPCH%2CTM_RPCH%2CTMG_RPCH%2CTX_RPCH%2CTXG_RPCH%2CLP%2CGGR%2CGGR_NGDP%2CGGX%2CGGX_NGDP%2CGGXCNL%2CGGXCNL_NGDP%2CGGXONLB%2CGGXONLB_NGDP%2CGGXWDG%2CGGXWDG_NGDP%2CNGDP_FY%2CBCA%2CBCA_NGDPD&grp=0&a= FB YT WB (talk) 14:58, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Population concentration
I had a foreign exchange student from bangladesh. Contrary to what the article says, the majority of Bangladesh's citizens do NOT work in agriculture. The vast majority live in Dhaka, the capital. I dont have time to to edit the page, I have 3 term papers to write.

developing countries find themselves at a paradox; increased global integration, a necessity in todays world, becomes difficult when global institutions such as the IMF and WTO do not provide structural and other support for a smooth entry into the global market.

turicus2: This is incorrect. Greater Dhaka has a population of around 13 M, which is less than 10% of the total population of around 148 M.

Problems with dates
from Moves Towards a Market Economy:

"Economic policies aimed at encouraging private enterprise and investment, denationalizing public industries, reinstating budgetary discipline, and liberalizing the import regime were accelerated. From 1990-1993. In 1985 1989-1993, the government successfully followed an enhanced structural adjustment facility (ESAF) with the International Monetary Fund."

somebody needs to clean these dates up, preferrably whoever created the section.

unemployment
Unemployment seems a bit low at 3.6%. If this is a government figure, perhaps it should say so?

minimun wage
I removed some of the information about minimun wage in the garment industry that was under 'external trade' because the information was old. The newest information on minimum wage are under 'textile sector'.

Neutrality needs to be maintained
Regarding the statement- "In the year 2010 Government of India extended a line of credit worth $1 billion to counterbalance China's close relationship with Bangladesh." -"to counterbalance China's close relationship with Bangladesh" is author's interpretation. Such interpretation may be added to "Foreign relations of Bangladesh" after adequate debate and verification of facts since extending credit line can still be a part of bilateral effort for better relations rather than counterbalance China. Still should be removed for sure from "Economy of Bangladesh"User talk:Ysp2015

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2021
Export info is incorrect. 137.132.211.4 (talk) 04:54, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – robertsky (talk) 17:53, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2021
PPP per capita should be more than 6000 137.132.211.4 (talk) 08:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Please provide a source and the exact change you'd like to have made. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:47, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2021
103.163.50.1 (talk) 04:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC) GDP Increase $378,768 billion (nominal; 2021 est.)[4] Increase $978,883 billion (PPP; 2020 est.)[4]
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 07:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2021
Jimmy109131325 (talk) 14:23, 18 March 2021 (UTC) $348 billion (nominal; 2020 est.) $865 billion (PPP; 2020 est.)
 * gdp =


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The numbers you've requested are contradicted by the source you've cited. The source says "Gross domestic product, current prices" for 2020 is estimated at US$317.768 billion. The number 347.891 appears nowhere in the cited source. The source says "Gross domestic product, current prices" at purchasing power parity decreased from $869.044 billion in 2019 to an estimated $864.883 billion in 2020. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:40, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2021
Jimmy109131325 (talk) 04:32, 19 March 2021 (UTC) $349 billion (nominal; 2020 est.) $865 billion (PPP; 2020 est.)
 * gdp =


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: report does not mention the $349 billion dollars in gdp. Also, request made by sock. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 19:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 March 2021
103.163.51.2 (talk) 13:59, 29 March 2021 (UTC) In 2019, Bangladesh GDP was rising $317 Billion not $302 Billion and In 2020, Bangladesh GDP nominal was increased to $317 to $348 Billion.


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: the numbers in the infobox are correct as according to the IMF source . &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 04:15, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Bangladesh Nominal GDP Per Capita income is Increased
Bangladesh Nominal GDP Per Capita income now Increased to Stayed around $160 Dollars. Bangladesh Normal GDP per capita income in 2021 is (it was 2020) $2064 to $2230 in 2021 Abdur Rahman 559037 (talk) 16:39, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 April 2021
Bangladesh population is 164,689,383 in 2020. Is not 162,650,853. And Bangladesh GDP was rised 348 billion is 2020. Masud984 (talk) 04:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Source? EdJohnston (talk) 04:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. Masud984 (talk) 06:05, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * not done for now. You are asked to provide reliable sources for the population and GDP figures you claim. Thank you for your input!  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 17:12, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 April 2021
Bangladesh population is 164,689,383, not 162,650,853. Masud984 (talk) 06:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Says who? Please provide a reliable source Trimton (talk) 18:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

After the sentence "Bangladesh is one of the world's fastest growing economies.", the following paragraph should be included as it gives a total picture of Bangladesh in a nutshell,
Bangladesh, a country that is often dubbed as a ‘development miracle’ registered its first national GDP count in 1972 to be only US$ 6.29 billion that is projected to reach US$ 354.54 billion acclaiming 7.4 percent GDP growth in FY 2020-21 amid COVID-19 havoc, growing by almost 56 times in a matter of five decades.

Ehlatifee (talk) 06:56, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 May 2021
The financial sector of Bangladesh is the second largest in the Indian subcontinent. Nsdffd (talk) 14:44, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  TG HL ↗  18:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Please update the infobox or let others
Update the datas:

Export partner: EPB Ref1, EPB Ref2, EPB Ref3

Industries: BBS Ref1, BBS Ref2, BBS Ref3

CPI: BBS Ref1, BBS Ref2

Covid-19 Economy: BBS Ref

-Nirvik12 (talk) 15:28, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 May 2021
Data for GDP is not up to date. It should be higher. Such as nominal GDP should be 363 billion and PPP should be 1 trillion. Per capita should be calculated accordingly. 137.132.215.40 (talk) 07:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:57, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 June 2021
I want to do something for give the population and GDP info in 2021..Can I do? Abdur Rahim 009875 (talk) 03:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. melecie   t  10:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 June 2021
I want to do something for give the population and GDP info in 2021..Can I do?
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: see above. melecie   t  10:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 June 2021
Freefore8899 (talk) 08:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Edit requests are intended to ask for a specific change too be made, not to request access to the article itself. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 July 2021
103.217.241.11 (talk) 03:19, 4 July 2021 (UTC)(Bangladesh External Debt $70.6B as on june 2020).If you don't believe go and check on google then update the right Statistics


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Please provide source. Copy-past url for the source there. Dinesh | Talk 09:10, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Statistics
Gdp 371 billion Ashik Hazari (talk) 03:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 October 2021
The information and technology section should be tagged as advert like section. It is clearly written with too much sweet talk.Greatder (talk) 08:59, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Agreed. Section tagged. Cheers! — Sirdog (talk) 23:13, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 November 2021
PPP should be 1.2 trillion GDP per capital should be adjusted according 137.132.218.14 (talk) 06:35, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 November 2021
Increase $1082 billion (PPP; 2021)[4] 103.126.20.160 (talk) 14:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:24, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Image Update Needed
I believe an image of skyline of the commercial areas of Dhaka are more appropriate than a picture of a single building. The image used in the Dhaka page seems better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dhaka_14th_March_(32624769393).jpg  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.249.56.102 (talk) 07:18, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 December 2021
Unemployment rate is 5.8% not 55.8% correct this GDP 411 billion dollar Saheydol Islam (talk) 10:58, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's employment rate, not unemployment rate. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.EMP.TOTL.SP.NE.ZS?locations=BD&name_desc=false ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:41, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Fix typo in the title
It says "Economy of Bangladeshex" in the title above the first image in the page. S. Kazuma (talk) 18:41, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

image update needed
I believe an image of skyline of the commercial areas of Dhaka are more appropriate than a picture of a single building — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.156.222.3 (talk) 06:42, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 January 2022
Change 'Economy of Bangladeshex to Economy of Bangladesh' Ahsanullah Al Mamun (talk) 18:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Please Update GDP at current prices i.e., Nominal GDP figures of Bangladesh 2020-21 : from USD 416 Billion to BDT 35,301,848 million (USD 411 billion) Source (Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics) : http://bbs.portal.gov.bd/sites/default/files/files/bbs.portal.gov.bd/page/057b0f3b_a9e8_4fde_b3a6_6daec3853586/2022-02-08-08-05-3347c0f140eaa82212bc87e82f6181c5.pdf --Sneha04 (talk) 08:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Extended-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:18, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Please can you update with official figure instead of that of News Source? For Details, you need to See the GDP of current prices at BDT, i.e., Nominal GDP on the first page of the report by Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics and Convert it to USD. You will find the same figure of USD 411 B. It's almost nearer to USD 416 B though. If you think that's ok.. then I don't have any objection too.. It's Ok!
 * I have one more question as I am new to WikiPedia, Why there is this need to open a new section, Can you please enlighten me with the reason? Sneha04 (talk) 04:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

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Gdp
If the gdp is 524.5, shouldn’t it be a higher rank? 2A00:23C6:7E2E:9501:8CC1:CA00:668C:7BE6 (talk) 16:40, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2022
29th Largest economy on the World by standing on $525 Billion Change GDP $460.70 billion (nominal; 2022 est.)[4] to $396.543 billion (nominal; 2022 est.)

Change GDP per capita $2,784 (nominal, 2022 est.)[7] to $ 2361(nominal, 2022 est.)

Source:https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2022/April/weo-report?c=513,&s=NGDP_R,NGDP_RPCH,NGDP,NGDPD,PPPGDP,NGDP_D,NGDPRPC,NGDPRPPPPC,NGDPPC,NGDPDPC,PPPPC,PPPSH,PPPEX,NID_NGDP,NGSD_NGDP,PCPI,PCPIPCH,PCPIE,PCPIEPCH,TM_RPCH,TMG_RPCH,TX_RPCH,TXG_RPCH,LP,GGR,GGR_NGDP,GGX,GGX_NGDP,GGXCNL,GGXCNL_NGDP,GGXONLB,GGXONLB_NGDP,GGXWDG,GGXWDG_NGDP,NGDP_FY,BCA,BCA_NGDPD,&sy=2020&ey=2027&ssm=0&scsm=1&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=country&ds=.&br=1 Robin1311 (talk) 03:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC) Robin1311 (talk) 03:57, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The IMF's April 2022 numbers will not be used because the IMF released a more recent database in October 2022. The article now cites the October 2022 numbers. --Worldbruce (talk) 09:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Bangladesh

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2022
gdp nominal : $ 426 billion nominal per capita: $ 2536 gdp ppp : $ 1291 billiom ppp per capita: $ 7685 Vijendra Bhakal (talk) 06:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Worldbruce (talk) 11:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Gulshan skyline
keeps removing the skyline of Gulshan Thana, where most multinational companies have their offices in Dhaka in addition to many Bangladeshi companies. Gulshan is undoubtedly a major business center in Bangladesh. AMomen88 (is he trying to imitate AK Abdul Momen?) keeps inserting images of one or two buildings. Just because the user is prejudiced against Gulshan does not take away the fact that Gulshan is an economic hub of the country. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 16:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not need to live in Gulshan to know that the image you keep inserting is an exceptionally hideous image of a bunch of derelict apartment blocs. I am not in any way "prejudiced" against Gulshan, I am prejudiced against the monstrosity of an image you keep inserting on the article. The text you keep adding below is verbose and obsolete, follow the example of numerous other economy articles which merely state the name of the financial centre. I recognise you are a novice editor but in future please refrain from making such corrosive edits.–AMomen88 (talk) 16:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow, you really don't believe in WP:NOPERSONALATTACKS. Look at the Economy of Turkey which has an image of the Levent business district in Istanbul; or look at Economy of Israel which has an image of the Diamond Exchange District in Ramat Gan. Gulshan in the same vein is the most influential business center in Dhaka and it makes sense for its image to be in the header. Plus, the buildings in my image are not just apartments. It includes the Dhaka Westin and other commercial buildings like Landmark Tower and Doreen Tower. Stop being a monster. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 16:51, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I didn’t insult you personally in anyway at all, I criticised the nature of the images you kept reinserting. There are very few exceptions, virtually all other economy articles have the name of the financial centre and the capital but you are incessant on adding poor quality images of dilapidated blocs. You wrongly accuse me of personal attacks but you end by calling me a “monster” which is a personal attack, clearly you don't believe in WP:NOPERSONALATTACKS. —AMomen88 (talk) 15:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * How do you explain this edit of yours then? You initially wanted to insert . When you revert my edits by falsely calling it vandalism, then I will take that as a personal attack. Your brought up the topic of monstrosity. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ,, Please can you help resolve the conflict and prevent further unproductive edit warring. I have proposed the image  with the text "Dhaka, the financial centre of Bangladesh" whereas  has proposed  with the text "Gulshan Avenue in Dhaka". Please can you help determine which image and accompanying text is superior. Many thanks–AMomen88 (talk) 15:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ,, The Gulshan Avenue picture is from 2021. AMomen88's picture of Panthapath is from 2016. This article needs to be updated. In economic history, entire sections are copy pasted from other articles. This article seriously needs an update because investors and businesses do actually look at this article to get an overview of Bangladesh. I suggest Momen quit playing games over his perceived superiority/inferiority complexes over an image! Get serious. The article needs work. Also, labelling the Gulshan Avenue image as vandalism (when it is clearly not) can be construed as a personal attack.--Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ,, There is no requirement for lead images on economy articles to be as recent as 2021. The lead images for the US, India, China, Japan, Germany, the UK, France and South Korea, are all pre-2021 (in Japan and India's case, the images are more than a decade old). The key requirement is that the image is of a high calibre, putting such a poor quality image which denigrates Bangladesh's economy is not beneficial. Solomon The Magnifico is quite disparaging when he trashes the entire article and has a haughty manner, this behaviour is unwelcome and should not be endorsed on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMomen88 (talk • contribs) 12 November 2022 14:26 (UTC)


 * ,, How on earth is  a low quality image? It is a much more high quality image than what AMomen88 wants to put up. Does Abdul Momen know what offices are seen in ? I can point out the offices of Citibank, Siemens, and Navana Group etc in my image.  has a much higher concentration of commercial buildings than . Momen's image, , only has two buildings of Bashundhara Group and Unique Group. I rather go with the image of Citibank, Siemens and so many other corporate offices.--Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 16:35, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

also, you or any of the editors here are not the arbiters of who gets to edit Wikipedia. Because Wikipedia is a much larger community. If you think only Bangladeshis can edit Bangladesh articles and restrict anyone they perceive as non-Bangladeshi or from a different economic background, then you are wrong.--Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 18:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I believe that you both have good intention, but you need to act without words like "the user is prejudiced against Gulshan", "I recognise you are a novice editor", "Stop being a monster" etc. Give respect to the other user even they don't like your edit. what he said is not okay, but that doesn’t mean you can call him "monster" (it is childish and hilarious to call him monster but still not okay). So please refrain yourselves from attack other.

Now about the choice, is puzzling. To me, Gulshan Avenue image is low quality image. The other image has quality but the image AMomen88 proposed that doesn’t show skyline in a large scale, means the image don't portray the heart of economic activity perfectly. That's why I am proposing new photo File:Dhaka April (33244268934).jpg (or alternatively File:Dhaka motijheel skyline.jpg). The image shows skyline of Motijheel Thana and Motijheel is the oldest business district of Dhaka. The photo is good and portray the whole skyline. That's why I think we should use the image. Mehedi Abedin 16:45, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Are you kidding me? Look, as AMomen88 points out, most national economy articles point to the main financial centre of a country. Well guess what, Gulshan Avenue hosts branches or head offices of all major banks in Bangladesh. Motijheel does not have as many banks as Gulshan Avenue. In fact, no other area in Bangladesh has as many banks as Gulshan Avenue. I think you both are sadly missing the point on this. The problem is that Dhaka does not have a well defined CBD which leads to confusion. But as far as being a financial center is concerned, nothing beats Gulshan Avenue. Its where all banks (local and foreign) have an office. Its the only place in Bangladesh where one can find all banks along one avenue. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 09:39, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

And I agree with AMomen88. I don't remember that there must be recent photo. But I agree that we should keep new photo in article. But that doesn’t mean that have to be newer (or newest). But there is no requirement for lead images on economy articles that doesn’t mean you can put outdated photo. But If the photo is 5-6 years old that is not a issue. But if we find better photo with quality and context then of course we should use latest photo. But if the latest photo doesn’t satisfy the points mentioned by me, then old photo (like captured 2-5 years ago) is okay. Mehedi Abedin 16:56, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I think an economy article should reflect the latest economic situation. Gulshan has been an important CBD for more than 10 years. This does not mean Motijheel is any less important. But the Dhaka page on Wikipedia already shows Motijheel prominently. Many of the tall buildings in Motijheel are state-owned companies and agencies, like Bangladesh Bank, Janata Bank, Sonali Bank etc. Gulshan is the hub of the private sector. Moreover, Gulshan Avenue does represent the economic progress of Bangladesh. If you talk to most foreigners who do business with Bangladesh, they often consider Gulshan as a CBD in addition to other places. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 17:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Of course we can use photo of Gulshan. But it was actually a "residential area from the start". But that fact doesn’t mean that we can't use photo of Gulshan. But the issue is not the place, but the size, context and quality of the photo. But the photo seems bit off. I think you should provide better photo of the skyline of Gulshan. Now, about Motijheel, the photo of Motijheel we see in the article of Dhaka isn’t the same photo I proposed. Also, Motijheel has offices of many state companies that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have headquarters of private companies. And the weak aspect of your debate is Gulshan is the hub of only private sector'. That means Gulshan Don't portray public sector. That also means Motijheel portray both public and private sector. If you think that way then you will able to see that the Motijheel photo is better qualified than Gulshan photo (because economy is not only about private sector). But yes, there is an alternative way that we can always use the Gulshan photo in any section in this article and we can use the Motijheel photo in the infobox. But the discussion is happening between us. We are not asking anyone for the suggestion. Maybe more opinion will be beneficial. What do you think ? Mehedi Abedin 13:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The image I placed captures the business side of Gulshan Avenue in a great away. The image focuses on the business side, not the residential side. I can see several important buildings in the image, including Navana Tower and Laila Tower (which houses Citibank and Siemens). The private sector makes up 80% of Bangladesh's economy and the public sector makes up 20%. As I said, Gulshan is the largest financial center in Bangladesh because all major banks either have a branch office or head office on Gulshan Avenue itself. All banks do not have an office in Motijheel. It is common knowledge that Gulshan Avenue is a commercial and corporate hub. I think the image is a good portrayal of Bangladesh's economy in the 21st century. Most of the buildings in Motijheel and Kawran Bazaar are from the 20th century! Motijheel does not have a single international hotel chain. Gulshan has at least four (Westin, Sheraton, Four Points, and Renaissance), followed by two in Kawran Bazaar (Pan Pacific and Holiday Inn), one in Ramna (Intercontinental), and one on Airport Road (Radisson). Tells you where most of the business happens doesn't it? Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 14:16, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Even the Dhaka Stock Exchange has left South Dhaka (which covers Motijheel and Kawran Bazaar). The DSE is now in North Dhaka near Gulshan. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 14:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Again, the debate is not about the place but about the photo. And the photo isn’t suitable for infobox. So I think you need to propose another better photo of the business district of Gulshan. What about other photos of Gulshan? File:Gulshan 2.jpg, File:Dhaka City Gulshan 12.jpg, File:Dhaka City Gulshan 10.jpg, File:GulshanDhaka.jpg?? They are photos of Gulshan and they are suitable for the infobox. Mehedi Abedin 14:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Why do you think it isn't suitable? You have to explain please. Is it because of size? A lot of Wikipedia articles are using large size images these days. Look at Mumbai. This discussion is going no where. Its very difficult to improve content when you put up obstacles like this for no reason (and sometimes, for politically-motivated reasons). Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 14:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Politically motivated reason? Excuse me but you can't accuse anyone for anything without valid reason. You did this before. You accuse AMomen88 by telling he "prejudiced against Gulshan" but you didn’t provide valid proof for your claim. It isn’t' obstacles by me, but your inability to understand and accusing others and telling them monster. If you are talking about infobox of Mumbai then I will say that the photo of Mumbai consists of many photos and these type of pattern we see for country or city articles. So they are very suitable. This article has single long image, not consists of many images. The photo, a low-quality image, and the photo is seen like unmatched position. So accusing anyone will not get us anywhere. You need to think carefully before saying anything. Mehedi Abedin 15:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Okay, now you are bullying. First you give me a barnstar, now you are bullying me? You are confusing me here. Mumbai does have a large image of its cityscape in the article, not in the infobox. You still haven't given a good reason as to why my proposed image is so unacceptable to you and AMomen88. Bullying won't get you anywhere. The image I proposed is better than what you proposed. I would say Momen's picture is better than what you proposed as well. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 15:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Can a neutral third party please choose a good picture for the infobox? I am getting tired of this.--Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 15:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Bullying? This is baseless. I told you that you should "think carefully before saying anything". It is not threating. I told that because you already said some insensible things to me and AMomen88 that anyone can think you are saying this without thinking anything. "Mumbai does have a large image of its cityscape in the article, not in the infobox". Is it then why you compare your photo in infobox with the photo in Mumbai that isn’t situated in the infobox of Mumbai? Compare infobox with infobox! "The image I proposed is better than what you proposed." Its your saying, not the fact. Your photo seems blurish a little bit and its size don't match with the infobox. That verifies my reason. But if you don't want to accept my judgement then we need to reach consensus with other users because that's what we do in Wikipedia. But "I would say Momen's picture is better than what you proposed as well" that we know very well. But your conditions results the photos I proposed. If we agree only the quality of picture then we really should use picture of Momen. But if you really have concern about the context of the photo then my proposed photo is better. So, do you really want to stick to your conviction? Or wait for other users to give consensus? Mehedi Abedin 15:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Why is it not a fact? In every possible way, my image is pictorially better than what you proposed. In terms of resolution and the quality of architecture, it is better. I don't understand what you are trying to say. So I'm going to stop here. You are confusing me. That's why I hesitate to even talk to editors from Bangladesh. This has gone on for too long. It's a pity that the rest of the Wikipedia community won't intervene because they probably think Bangladeshis fight for no reason (which has been proven to be true). Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 15:56, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn’t work like that. It is based on consensus. You can't keep or edit anything because it is fact. Maybe a thing is right to you but to other it’s the opposite. Even AMomen88 was against the photo. But yet you didn’t reach for settling conflict but mentioned me here to help. What I did here to resolve this and what happened here is not fight but process of conflict resolving. Preconceived ideas can leads to misunderstanding and sometimes saying someone something with preconceived ideas usually leads to conflict. Mehedi Abedin 16:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Go for dispute resolution when consensus is not there. Clearly, we cannot reach a consensus. So just request dispute resolution. Look it up. You might find it useful. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 16:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Already did it. If they support your photo then I will have no objection and I believe that the dispute will be solved, because our dispute is not personal. Our dispute is related to a specific subject. Mehedi Abedin 16:47, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

This is my personal preference, the Panthapath image which shows modern glass plate buildings present Bangladesh in a “better” light than the other images which show some rather mundane looking concrete buildings. Surely, you’d agree that plate-glass buildings at least look more modern than concrete buildings. The fact that Gulshan is a prosperous neighbourhood isn’t relevant, what’s relevant is the image should be aesthetically pleasing, most people who come across the lead image won’t hunt for the headquarters of banks and private enterprise like Solomon, they will take one look and cast aspersions. I doubt we will find any image of Wikimedia Commons which accurately captures the public and private sector so we should abandon this endeavour and choose which image looks best. I don’t understand why Solomon has such an obsession with Gulshan, in an edit summary he bizarrely said just because you are not from Gulshan does not mean you can remove the image of the countrys most affluent neighbourhood.. Its unsurprising seeing Solomon make baseless accusations of being "politically motivated", he made the same defamatory comment about me merely because of my edits on Sheikh Mujibur Rahman asking for due diligence on the dozens of edits he made. I believe the Panthapath image casts Bangladesh in a good image and will benefit the article.–AMomen88 (talk) 18:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I use reliable sources for all my edits. You revert wholesale without explanation and accuse others of having narratives. Panthapath is not the financial center of Bangladesh. It has a shopping mall, that's it. You want an image of a financial center. Well, then Gulshan Avenue is by far the largest financial center with the highest concentration of financial institutions in Bangladesh. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 18:39, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

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