Talk:Economy of England in the Middle Ages

Article creation...
I've had a stab at putting together an article covering the economic aspects of medieval England, as I couldn't find an article really covering all of these aspects in one place elsewhere on the wiki. It'll need some more work, no doubt, but it should provide a start. Hchc2009 (talk) 15:52, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Rebellions against war taxes
Should some of the rebellions against taxation (primarily to fund wars) be included? I'm thinking of the Cornish Rebellion of 1497 but there may be others.&mdash; Rod talk 20:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Definitely - I'll fish out some references. Hchc2009 (talk) 06:07, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've now added a note on the Cornish and Yorkshire rebellions under Henry VII; there's no easy link to both the Cornish rebellions, unfortunately, so I've gone for the first one of two. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:17, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Bristol
In the 14th century Bristol was one of the three largest towns in England, based on shipbuilding, manufacturing & trade & yet it doesn't get a mention in this article. Any particular reason?&mdash; Rod talk 20:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * My oversight - again, I'll check out a reference later. Hchc2009 (talk) 06:08, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added two bits on Bristol, and a reference for both. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Royal Forests
The article, when discussing Royal Forests, says "They were mostly created in the less arable parts of the Midlands, Peak District and the North, with very few created in the South-West, South-East or the Fens" and a reference is given however I'm not sure whether that assertion is accurate - a quick scan of Royal forest shows lots in the south of England. Are there lots more in the Midlands & north which should be added to that list?&mdash; Rod talk 20:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Checked back with the reference, and I'd misread the date in Cantor's chapter when writing the sentence - your point is 100% valid. I've just removed the sentence, and will rewrite it more accurately later on. Apologies! Hchc2009 (talk) 06:20, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

United Kingdom template
I removed the United Kingdom template. I doubt that it existed as early as 1509. Also, the article is about England.--DThomsen8 (talk) 02:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Sources...
Hi Ananiujitha - you've noted a concern that some sources (nfi) disagree with Jordan and Hodgett on a sentence in the article. Could you describe what the other sources are, and what they say? 18:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That would be Stephen Broadberry, Bruce Campbell, and Bas van Leeuwen, here: http://www2.lse.ac.uk/economicHistory/pdf/Broadberry/Medievalpopulation.pdf they find that the population on the eve of the plague was greater than the population on the eve of the great famine. Given the disagreement among the sources, with some suggesting increase in the interval, it seems premature to say that "the Great Famine of 1315–17 shook the English economy severely and population growth ceased" or that "The Great Famine firmly reversed the population growth of the 12th and 13th centuries". Ananiujitha (talk) 19:09, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers! Will have a read through it. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:28, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Why does this start in 1066?
Although there isn't as much info on early/mid medieval England, why not begin with early medieval England? Ananiujitha (talk) 01:31, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with The medieval English wool trade
Possible some salvageable content, but this article reads like an essay and is not very encyclopedic. JHU bal  27  22:09, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I created The medieval English wool trade. In my view, the medieval English wool trade deserves its own entry:
 * it was a major and, moreover, distinctive part of the English economy, with long-term importance for the development of English capitalism
 * it has been the subject of extensive, dedicated scholarly research
 * the article Economy of England in the Middle Ages, with which JHU  bal  27  proposes a merger, is already very long (indeed, it already has a long sub-article Economics of English Agriculture in the Middle Ages)
 * While I would happily agree that my article is a first run, and would bear revision and improvement, I do consider it encyclopedic. It cites a range of academic sources, but takes its key points and structure from the major recent scholarly surveys on the topic, pre-eminently John H. Munro's contributions to The Cambridge History of Western Textiles, Volume 1, ed. by D. T. Jenkins (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003), pp. 181-227. Alarichall (talk) 22:52, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No doubt the wool trade article could be improved, but I'd agree with Alarichall - it is a huge subject and should probably have its own article. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:59, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Would it be okay with you guys if I remove the 'merge' tag from the article then? Thanks for the input either way! Alarichall (talk) 14:18, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree no merge needed. I've also removed the "essay" tag there, which seems unwarranted. Johnbod (talk) 14:51, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Cheers John. Hchc2009 (talk) 15:47, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Removing merge tag now. Would have been like merging the Japanese car industry with ? as just another bit of their postwar economic resurgence. Eddaido (talk) 03:27, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

F.A.
How are we getting on with this then? Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi  14:35, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Imperatrix...: "F.A." as in "Featured Article"...? Hchc2009 (talk) 17:23, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ... yes, not Fanny Adams! Fortuna  Imperatrix Mundi  17:28, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Interesting question. It's not in bad shape, although there would almost certainly be some copyediting, tidying up etc. required. I've learnt a bit more about medieval history since I wrote this, and I think it could certainly be improved in various places. It would probably also need a decent check-over by someone with a formal background on this period (e.g. Ealdgyth or similar); I'm self-taught, and I'm conscious that the current text could contain errors / misinterpretations that someone with a specialist background might spot. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:51, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Placement of historiography section
I think it's great that this article has a historiography section: more should! I wonder if the historiography section might go at the beginning of the article (after the header), since I'd see it as an important way into understanding the consensus represented by the rest of the article, rather than a footnote or afterthought. Alarichall (talk) 21:06, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it! I'd be inclined to keep it at the end, though. Most readers will want to get on with reading about "what happened" (loosely characterised!) rather than how historians came to those conclusions, and I think we'd lose some readers by moving it up to form the first thing they encounter. Hchc2009 (talk) 06:04, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Crisis of the Knights, Jewish section of article
Hi there, first off thank you for what seems like a well rounded article in general, and thank you for including a section on the Jewish contribution to the economy. I came here to see if there was information on the "crisis of the Knights" which seems to have been a driving factor in the civil wars of the 1200s, such as the Second Barons' War and also relates to the financial problems that this middling landed group had, which caused indebtedness and land transfers to the Crown. See also Eleanor of Castile. You may also be interested in some of the financial information I've found on the Jewish community at History of the Jews in England (1066–1290) which might better explain a couple of the points in your section. Jim Killock (talk) 21:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)