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Source
There's a nice little source about the rise, fall and rise of Manchester here. --Jza84 | Talk  21:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Hype
There's a lot of selective use of statistics in the recent additions to this page. If you look at the spreadsheet in the footnote at the top of the page both Greater Manchester and Greater Manchester South have under performed compared to the rest of the country over the last decade, and Greater Manchester South is only the largest economy because half of the county has been put together into one huge NUTS3 area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.70.237 (talk) 12:02, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

More hype
This article seems to have turned into one big advertisement, full of ridiculous spin pasted in from press releases by organisations set up to market the city, most of it put here by Jamie.Taylor92. The claim that "Manchester was again ranked as Britain's best city to live in according to the Economist Intelligence Unit in 2012" looks like it's sourced from a survey that only included London and Manchester, and showed Manchester's liveability to be falling faster than any city in the world apart from Damascus. The source quoted for the claim that Greater Manchester South was the "fastest growing NUTS3 area outside of London in economic terms" shows that its GVA grew from £33,468 to £34,755 in 2012, an increase of 3.85%, which in fact makes it the 21st fastest growing NUTS3 area after cities such as Stoke on Trent (7.09%), Coventry (6.62%), Portsmouth (5.67%), Nottingham (5.17%), Hull (4.72%), Edinburgh (4.15%) and Wolverhampton (4.12%), not to mention (given that Greater Manchester South isn't actually a city) Medway (6.89%), Sandwell (4.98%), Solihull (4.63%) and East Merseyside (4.06%). All of which are NUTS3 areas. Manchester University is the best university on the country after Oxford and Cambridge says, er, Manchester University. Manchester is a fantastic place to set up a corporate headquarters, according to, er, Manchester City Council. And that's just the first two paragraphs. This article is a disgrace to wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alfie1985 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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Manchester or Greater Manchester
With the exception of the infobox, the rest of the content of this page seems to be about Greater Manchester rather than the smaller City of Manchester. Rather than rewriting the content, it would probably make more sense to rename the page 'Economy of Greater Manchester' I think. Dgp4004 (talk) 15:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * It only appears to be the section on GVA that relies on Greater Manchester data. The title appears to be deliberately non-specific because the article has elements relating to both Greater Manchester and also the City of Manchester. Betty Logan (talk) 17:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Not just GVA. The intro, GDP, business activity, infrastructure. All are about Greater Manchester. Things like Media City, the Trafford Centre etc. have nothing to do with the City of Manchester except that you can get there on the tram. Dgp4004 (talk) 17:12, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Business Activity is a mix, leaning towards a focus on the City of Manchester, whilst the economic indeces and employment/welfare/education sections also pertain to just the city. I don't think renaming it "Economy of Greater Manchester" would reflect the scope of the content. Betty Logan (talk) 21:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Well of course Greater Manchester incorporates Manchester so that would be a totally accurate title. It's as if the Economy of England article had a huge section on North Sea oil and Scotch Whisky and Airbus on the grounds that England is the greater part of the economy of the UK and that many people won't know the difference anyway so it doesn't matter. It's misleading. Dgp4004 (talk) 22:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * An article about Greater Manchester shouldn't be so city-centric, with so much data that pertains only to the City of Manchester. The problem is that the article deviates between both a city-centric perspective and a city-region perspective, and changing the title won't address that issue. Betty Logan (talk) 22:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm quite content with either approach myself: retain the title and remove/rephrase/reorganise much of the Greater Manchester content. Or retain the Greater Manchester content as it is and rename the page.
 * But I think the present jumble of both as now is misleading. Dgp4004 (talk) 09:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I do not oppose restructuring the article to streamline the content, but it's not really clear to me exactly what you are proposing. I agree that it's not ideal to cover the city and city-region subjects together—and it's not the approach I would have taken—but unfortunately that is how the article has evolved. If you are proposing an article split, or merging the specific Manchester content into another suitable article then I would support that. I think it is important though that content removed from this article is re-homed somewhere else (especially if it is interesting statistical data) so we don't just lose it. Betty Logan (talk) 13:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I do not oppose restructuring the article to streamline the content, but it's not really clear to me exactly what you are proposing. I agree that it's not ideal to cover the city and city-region subjects together—and it's not the approach I would have taken—but unfortunately that is how the article has evolved. If you are proposing an article split, or merging the specific Manchester content into another suitable article then I would support that. I think it is important though that content removed from this article is re-homed somewhere else (especially if it is interesting statistical data) so we don't just lose it. Betty Logan (talk) 13:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)